Spencer Dock plan wins centre race
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- November 16, 2005 at 12:29 pm #708240
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ParticipantFROM http://www.businessworld.ie
The Treasury Holdings/Irish Rail consortium has been confirmed as winner of the competition to build the national conference centre in Dublin.
Their 400m euro plan will see a 2,000 capacity centre in the Spencer Dock area of Dublin’s Docklands.
Their proposal was approved as winner by the Cabinet yesterday on the recommendation of tourism minister John O’Donoghue.Formally, the consortium has only been awarded “provisional preferred tender” status.
But the cabinet decision to favour it over its single rival the Anna Livia consortium is seen as being the end of the long running saga over who should build a national centre.
The Spencer Dock proposal was designed by Irish-born architect Kevin Roche, whose has previously worked for such prestigious clients as New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art.
The consortium must now enter into negotiations with the government to work out the details of a Public-Private Partnership deal.
If they complete this successfully, they will be granted “preferred tenderer” status.
The government hopes work on the centre can begin next year, with completion in 2008.
November 16, 2005 at 1:28 pm #763130jimg
ParticipantThis is the one with angled cylinder embedded in the front of it?
November 16, 2005 at 1:42 pm #763131Anonymous
Inactivei was thinking the same thing jimg. i am guessing that is the one. i wonder what it will look like in reality?
November 16, 2005 at 2:08 pm #763132GregF
ParticipantThis is great news!
Way much better too than ”Mansfield Giant Heap of Crap”
http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=1300100;s=rollingnews.htm
November 16, 2005 at 3:05 pm #763133Rockflanders
ParticipantMansfields one wasnt in the competition.
November 16, 2005 at 3:58 pm #763134-Donnacha-
ParticipantTreasury are indeed ploughing ahead with the original design:
http://www.treasuryholdings.ie/dynamic/img/national.jpgMuch-needed faciilty, but that giant gable wall facing the city is going to look awful…
November 16, 2005 at 4:07 pm #763135GregF
ParticipantI’ll say these parts of it will be modified as alot of initial plans are. More glass included.
November 16, 2005 at 6:44 pm #763136d_d_dallas
ParticipantI thought with the the “revision” of Roches plan for Spencer Dock he vowed to never work here again, so how does he feel having one of his designs retained and reused? Is it with his blessing?
November 16, 2005 at 6:49 pm #763137aj
Participant@AndrewP wrote:
Treasury are indeed ploughing ahead with the original design:
http://www.treasuryholdings.ie/dynamic/img/national.jpgMuch-needed faciilty, but that giant gable wall facing the city is going to look awful…
Abbey mark 2 ; ugly gable walls anyone?
November 16, 2005 at 7:00 pm #763138Morlan
ParticipantIt’s a horrible looking thing.
The one in Edinburgh isn’t too bad.
November 17, 2005 at 11:46 am #763139Richards
ParticipantIts all very well having the NCC at Spencer Dock. The one question I would ask has aducaqate provision been made for the proposed Railway Station. Is the rail station mentioned in any of the proposed plans and more importantly, will there be provision for possible expansion of the new rail station. I was interesting that Barry Kenny of IE (on the RTE news) said that the new rail station would benifit the Maynooth Line. Is the grand plan not to have the interconnector between Spencer Dock to Stephens Green and on the Heuston?
November 17, 2005 at 11:50 am #763140Maskhadov
Participantgreat to hear its getting the green light but the center is sheer ugly. Lets hope they come up with a better design 🙂
November 17, 2005 at 3:34 pm #763141GregF
ParticipantHere’s some more conference centres close to home.
November 17, 2005 at 3:50 pm #763142Rockflanders
Participanttheyre not allowed change the design. the 5 year old design is what were getting. Victory to sugarbowls…..
once again design has suffered in DublinNovember 17, 2005 at 8:56 pm #763143ihateawake
ParticipantRTE reported on this and showed what i think is a really nice buidling, I had seen pictures of the spencer dock proposal before, but this seemed a little different. The report has the picture a little clearer
November 17, 2005 at 9:19 pm #763144Anonymous
Inactivethere is talk of extending the luas to the point. why don’t they extend it all the way down to dublin port while they are at it? it would be ever so handy for those who are travelling by ferry. it would be great to be able to hop off a tram and walk straight into the terminal building.
November 18, 2005 at 11:04 am #763145GregF
ParticipantI love the glass cylinder effect of Roches NCC and the way it addresses the river. It is way more arresting than the other NCC’s pictured above. It is a striking contrast to the rudimentary office block shite around it in the docks. I think it will look cool with Calatrava’s second bridge beside it. The blank wall effect of the Abbey Theatre did’nt work because it was within a conventional streetscape. This is somewhat different. I think it has a somewhat monumental effect. Good on old Roche, the grand daddy of Irish architecture, show the young upstart kids a thing or two.
November 20, 2005 at 9:47 pm #763146Anonymous
InactiveExtending the Luas to Dublin Port would make sense. I have only ever been in that port once and I had to get a taxi to it. It is well out of the way.
November 20, 2005 at 11:47 pm #763147jimg
ParticipantExtending the Luas to Dublin Port would make sense.
Why would it make sense? Foot passenger numbers out of the port are tiny from what I know – I’d be surprised if it was more than a couple of hundred per day and the numbers are dropping. Spending 100 million to service 200 people a day makes no sense whatsoever – you’d be lucky to collect 100k a year in ticket sales.
It’d make far more sense to extend the Luas along a route where there is passenger demand – for example extending the Green line north.
November 21, 2005 at 12:00 am #763148Anonymous
InactiveI just thought since the Luas will be going down to the Point they might as well go a bit further. It would make it that bit easier to get to. People work down there too. Why is it going to the Point so?
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