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Sorry, you’re right – it’s bulb. I passed it at speed in my car. My point was that it was a film, however, which I think is correct.
kefuParticipantRory, I think everyone agrees that it would be a complete and utter waste of time to put a park there. The conference centre should be there and if they want to have another park, aside from the campshires, it should be set well back from the river and very sheltered as well.
kefuParticipantIt must be to do with the film because they put up a new neon sign on the Ambassador as well and were filming there on Tuesday night. The film name on the Ambassador was Spicey World if that means anything to anyone. I can’t remember what the neon sign was calling the Ambassador. I can only assume that the Carlton is also being used for the same purpose
kefuParticipantWhere is there even one pocket-sized waste of space park in Dublin, Rory W. I can’t think of even one that’s not popular and in active use.
kefuParticipantThe £1 billion cost for the Stadium Ireland project was very significantly exaggerated in the first place.
And it must be remembered includes the relocation of the State Laboratories, estimated at £140 million plus, the redevelopment of the existing infrastructure, the provision of a rail station at Abbotstown on the existing Maynooth train link, a 50-metre swimming pool, landscaped gardens over a vast area, huge amounts of office space and so on ad nauseum. The stadium itself would cost nowhere near the magical figures being put across by both the newspapers and opposition parties.
Also, most of the stadia in the Far East are of capacity between 40,000 to 60,000. The cost rises exponentially according to size and Stadium Ireland was supposed to be 80,000 though that will almost certainly be scaled down very significantly as part of the FF/PD negotiations.
I’d also be curious to know how much difference our inflated construction costs would make. I’m almost sure it would be cheaper to build a major project in Korea, but doubt that this would be the case in Japan.
I think crucially it is worth remembering that the stadium itself has never been put out to tender. There is no design, only a concept picture used by the management company. The tendering process would be the only true indicator of what we are actually talking about in terms of cost.kefuParticipantIt’s most popular use now is for canoeists to jump off.
kefuParticipantI wasn’t referring to any political view. My point was that I don’t think an illegal encampment should be of huge concern when drawing up a major urban regeneration plan, no more than if there were a hundred squatters living in an old shed in the middle of it. By all means, decent alternative accomodation should be provided for travellers and if at all possible close to where they had been, if they have a strong historical link with the area. I just don’t think it should be a primary or even secondary consideration.
kefuParticipantIn all fairness, the traveller encampment is as far as I’m aware illegal. So I really don’t think that should be of enormous concern.
kefuParticipantHey, Mr Crawford. You seem to know a lot about the goings on in Harland and Wolff. If poss, could you e-mail me at blah@blah.com
I want to get in touch with you directly, if that would be ok.April 9, 2002 at 4:10 pm in reply to: Build as high & modern as possible I say – but elsewhere #718585kefuParticipantHas anyone seen the new semi-scraper that towers alongside the Dublin-Cavan N3 at the Blanchardstown shopping centre. I agree about West or North Dublin having a high-rise complex. And I’ve always thought Blanchardstown, considering the shopping centre, the proposed national stadium, the M50, the rail link and proposed rail links, should be developed almost as if it was another city. This has been one of the biggest mistakes we’ve made. Tallaght with a greater population than Limerick is built and designed like a suburb instead of a city. Dublin’s city centre and fabric would be much improved if there were more than one focal point in the county, a la most other modern European capitals.
kefuParticipantI used to work in Park House and although I wouldn’t say it is Dublin’s most attractive building, it certainly doesn’t deserve its places amongst the worst. As a building to work in, it was fantastic and the views from it are excellent. I also think it’s slightly coppered weatherbeaten look has actually improved it with age. It may not be everyone’s cup of tea but it’s not the worst example of that era by a long shot.
kefuParticipantThey’re keeping the bridge covered because of the amount of sand-blasting work that is being done. Otherwise, walking along the Bailey bridge would be even less pleasant that it already is. Also, I had heard that as much ironwork as possible would be preserved
kefuParticipantCool monkeys on the Alliance Francaise building at the bottom of Kildare Street.
kefuParticipantHigh rise, to be effective in stopping the suburban sprawl, can only succeed if well-planned. What’s the chances of any Irish developer building playgrounds and other facilities. Also the lack of decent schooling, medical care etc in city centre is another issue. The only way apartment living is sustainable is if it is a credible option for families. The present situation, whereby young couples living in town and then moving out as soon as they fancy starting a family is disastrous. When Frank McDonald talks about the Temple Bar community, I think he is exaggerating. As a resident there for two years now, I haven’t seen anything but a transient population just waiting to be able to afford a house. We now have the perfect opportunity to put together real communities down in the Docklands in a high-rise apartment-type environment. I just doubt we will.
kefuParticipantIsn’t it a Zoe development? And if so, it must be their best. Not saying it’s brilliant, but it’s not bad. It’s amazing though how quickly a building can fall into disrepair when it’s not in use. It looks shabby already and they’ll need to spruce it up good and proper before they open it.
As a PS, does anyone know where I could find a model or drawing of the new building beside what was Keating’s Pub on Jervis Street. It’s very tall and looks like another Lego brick job. Considering, there’s going to be the new street connecting on to the Millennium bridge, more thought should have been put into it.
kefuParticipantThis is my picks:
Bowes of Fleet Street
Long Hall
Ha’Penny Bridge Inn
The Bankers on Trinity Street
Hanlons on the NCR
The Royal Oak in Kilmainham
Kiely’s on Abbey Street
Kehoes
Grogans
Back room in Stags HeadAnd the five worst:
Messrs Maguire on the quays
The new Slatterys on Capel St
Sports Bar in Temple Bar
Temple Bar in Temple Bar
Q on the QuayskefuParticipantWhat about top ten lists genuine and modern Irish pubs. It would save the writers in the Sunday Tribune compiling their own Baggot-Street centred version.
kefuParticipantI think an interesting point can be made about the saga on Tara/Marckievicz Street. The original plans for dark ten-storey towers are now almost built. But the developers had come back and offered to build 14-storey glass towers, which were extremely attractive. The smaller versions are actually more intrusive than the other plan, which was knocked back, by the conservationists.
Residents also complained about the changes to light, which would be more influenced by the materials used in the building than its height in this case.
I agree with contributors in the case of Spencer Dock. It was just too vast a space to fill with uniform buildings, that all looked very similar.
The way to deal with that area is to use high-rise. but it should be broken into quarters and developed with differences and for mixed uses. Spencer Dock would have ended up a vast glass wasteland, bereft of people. On the more general principle, I feel Dublin should adopt the Paris attitude to high-rise. I think it should be moved well away from the city centre and the Docks presents the perfect opportunity. Irish people are generally anti high-rise because every tall building in Ireland – Liberty Hall, O’Connell Bridge House, Ballymun, Hawkins House, City Hall in Cork – is dreadful. You can’t blame people for being wary. If we had even one good example of high-rise, I think attitudes would be very different.kefuParticipantMr James. I think you really need to hop off your high horse. This website may not aspire to your high intellectual ideals, but it has done more to encourage interest in architecture and conservation than An Taisce ever has. Unfortunately for you, everybody here doesn’t have a degree in architecture and isn’t a member of a right-on lobby group. But surely bringing architecture to a wider audience is worthwhile in itself. Look at the amount of comments written here and ask yourself whether any forum has ever generated as much public interest in these matters.
As a side point, a massive thank you to An Taisce for inflicting the dreadful Tara/Marckiviecz Street white triangle towers on us. That was a master stroke. You got rid of what would have been the finest tall buildings ever to grace the capital, and replaced it with yet more of your favourite pastiche. Funny the way An Taisce never stand up and admit how wrong they got it there.kefuParticipantAnd considering it’s a pedestrian bridge, that would seem very excessive.
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