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We have heard in recent months about “imminent” planning applications for:
1. Kyrl’s quay
2. Kent station
3. Howard / Tedcastle’s site in Docklands.
4. Howard Holdings Event Centre.
Anyone any news? Are these imminent in the historic Martin Cullen/CIE/Manor Park usage of that word?
Also any news of Kenny’s Treasury Building. Is it going to be built? They have planning.
The red paving works well on French Church St. and Carey’s Lane, given they’re a much smaller area.
For such a large paved area as Patrick St., I think dark mono-tone paving would be very dull and drab. The use of a mixture of paving stones is one of the things I really like about the street renewal, it adds texture to what would otherwise be a large, bland space.
Hear hear. Look, its a question of personal tastes so no one is right and no one is wrong but I personally think the new St Patrick St is the nicest street in Ireland by a distance. It is anything but cheap looking.
Agree re criticism (esp of tarmac) of Oliver Plunkett st though.
I just took a wander through the city this lunch time having been away for a few weeks. In general the City is improving on a daily basis but there are some annoying eyesores that really should be sorted out.
I think the Grand Parade is coming along nicely. The wide pavements look well but one criticism would be the lack to date of bars, restaurants and cafes with outside seating as it is ideal for this – Soho is the honourable exception. In this regard the loss of the former restaurant/cafe next to Fitzgeralds electrical – now a (admittedly nice) shoe store – is a pity. Still such changes of use will happen with time I’d imagine.
The start of Washington St is similarly benefiting from the Council’s work and again business is following the council’s lead with a new cafe and v nice new restaurant on the side by Singer’s Corner (surely due a change of use itself even if it is an institution!). On the other side of the road comes bugbear no.1 – Mannixs. Why? It is an attrocity of an eyesore. Moreover it has PP for (I’d say) 3 yrs. Anyone any idea if there are plans to build? Anyone any idea when the Planning runs out?
The Coal Quay is similarly coming along and the new shopping centre will be fine (I’d say ready at Christmas judging by progress). Its no world beater but the Church bit will be nice and I assume there will be access (and views) to it from Paul St. On the Opp side of Coal Quay there is a new version of the Coal Quay bar (“the Cornstore”) which seems very nicely appointed and a big improvement on its predecessor. Quite what is happening with the Bodega God only knows but given the original reason for OOC’s purchase was as temporary accommodation for a shop, the lack of that new use to date (or any sign of it) is a bit of a mystery. Surely the need for such use will pass soon?
Finally Washington St itself is slowly improving and the new Jurys and associated apartments look quite well. However bugbear no.2 is the Kino. Again it has PP for years for a 3 storey redevelopment as a two (three?) screen arthouse cinema plus cafe, etc. Any idea if there is any progress likely soon? Surely the PP is going to run out in the next 18 months I’d have thought………..
Just as a general observation, on a sunny day Cork is rapidly becoming a nice city to walk around – particularly Patrick St, the streets toward Paul St and even Oliver Plunkett St (though this is a disappointment overall I feel though the rapidly changing tenants are improving it). The upgrading of the Grand Parade and its surrounds described above is further enhancing the feel of the city I think. Any news viz the Kino and Mannix would be appreciated though.
Just to add my tuppence worth. theBlimp’s plan looks great but given they don’t own the land and given Frank Murphy’s continued presence on this earth you can’t blame the Council for having doubts about short term deliverability. I think the Howard plan is good enough and hopefully the other components of the theBlimp’s plan will follow in time.
I couldn’t agree more with the posts about Pairc Ui Caoimh. It is every bit as underused (and every bit as much an eyesore) as the Showgrounds. Council should buy it off the GAA and make it a municipal venue. Alternatively facilitate the GAA expansion if they propose a proper upgrade / rebuild but STRICTLY on the basis that they open it up a la Croke Park (ie. for good rent). Me doubts any of this will happen in Franky Baby’s time but then again if Ian Paisley and Martin McGuiness………….
Finally, whatever about the merits of the Howard plan, Monday night was a PR disaster. As a lawyer it offends my sense of due process. I must admit though that every now and again someone taking the bull by the horns to deliver something quickly is needed. Jury is out on Joe Gavin but at least he is not doing a Jack Higgins on it and talking as he did on his retirement about how someone should do something to revive the docklands…er…em.. that would have been your job Jack, wouldn’t it? In fairness to Joe, after the Dublin job passed him by he has really knuckled down instead of mopping into his beer. Pity he does all of this from his home in Galway mind!
That’s crazy really. The line is already there and in the case of Kilbarry in particular, the population is already there.
I thought these were originally slated for 2008 and now 2010. It must be true, Martin Cullen said it and his word is his bond. A prince amongst men who is totally misunderstood.:D
The dragging of heels on Cork transport is v. deflating. Perhaps the most depressing thing was when the Greens tried to get measures re regional transport in the programme for government they were told where to go. Pretty much guarantees no substantial action on anything bar the Transport 21 Plan for Dublin…I mean Ireland for the next five years at least. I think though that the Kilbarry and Blarney stations are in Transport 21 (they probably made a mistake and thought these were in Meath or Wicklow or some other Dublin commuter town so they slipped in by accident) ?kite wrote:“Cork Airport is OUR own fault, we re-elected the geniuses (Martin and his sidekick McGrath, Clune and Coveney) that appointed a board that is made up of a stainless steel manufacturer, a travel agent, a philanthropist, a brewer, and a fish exporter.”QUOTE]
Kite, I don’t always agree with you but AMEN on this one.
Thanks for that. The 3 buildings look great. No idea where the Environmental Research Institute is but looks nice. CIT is v impressive and delighted to see the City Hall extension recognised – well done to all concerned esp. Cork City Council. This really is a serious achievement actually, there were 13 awards for all of Europe and 3 of them went to Cork! On that link all three buildings look the part.
Interesting browser, which CIT building – the library & IT building I assume, not the main building. (I haven’t been out there in 3 or 4 years so I’ve no idea what’s changed recently).
Not sure myself. I’m sure someone can enlighten us…..
I’m going to post this separately anyway but just to note the 3 Cork buildings commended…more of this please.
From today’s Examiner…..
Architecture awards – Public sector projects lead the way
THE perception of dullness, widely associated with the public service, is well and truly scotched by the annual awards for excellence in European architecture.
Undoubtedly, the most striking aspect of the four Irish winners of Britainâ€™s prestigious RIBA Awards, is that they are all commissioned by divisions of the public service here.
Unlike other EU states, a surprising lack of adventure characterise the private sector when it comes to designing new architectural projects. Generally speaking, it appears the liberal spirit of the Celtic Tiger era has not rubbed off on promoters of most new developments.
In contrast, the lionâ€™s share of the 2007 crop of RIBA awards have been scooped by Irish public sector commissions. Of the 13 awards, four went to Ireland, compared with two each for Denmark and Germany, while France, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain and Belgium each won a single award.
The winning Irish projects include a primary school at Cherry Orchard in Dublin, plus three in Cork: the Environmental Research Institute at UCC, the CIT building, and the County Councilâ€™s new civic offices.
Normally in the headlines for negative reasons, it is refreshing to commend the public service on a positive note for a change.
well said browser and andrew p.
Also, just on the issue of adding extra floors to a high rise at a later date…is that really feasible and has it been done before in Ireland? I presume it would mean an extra 3 or 4 floors only or am I wrong. I guess the aesthetics may change somewhat. Certainly a good idea and it displays some degree of forward thinking.
Neither were high rise but relatively good jobs were done adding extra floors to a building off Kevin St in Dublin (on corner with Wexford St I think?) and onto the College of Commerce in Cork. I appreciate this is a different principle though.
@paul h wrote:
Cork city – pop.119.143 (2006 census)
metro cork – pop.274,000
Belfast city – pop.277,391 (2001 census)
Belfast metro – pop.579,554
Dublin City – pop.505,739 (2006 census)
Dublin metro – pop 1.6 million (estimataed by CSO to reach 2.1 million by 2021)
So in summary:
Cork = teeny tiny
Belfast = tiny
Dublin = small to medium
Seriously can we lose the Cork / Dublin shite (and that applies to posters from both necks of the wood). Yes Dublin is much bigger, yes quality of life is better in Cork and yes one is a crap small international city and the other is a crap medium international city. Can we now concentrate, on the correct threads, with suggestions on how to improve both.
“There are serious issues here. I believe, CCC have stopped the developers from continuing with their much altered plans, but someone may be able to clarify this further.”
Radioactiveman – presume this is the builing on Fr Mathew Quay at back of BOI, 33 Sth Mall? If so, I’d be delighted for confirmation that the City Council have taken action. What was going up there was / is a crime. The delapidated structure it was replacing had more merit.
I know I’m a broken record on this but this HAS to become a municipal stadium. I’m not saying the GAA should part with it cheaply – they should be properly compensated – but it should then be a municipal stadium which all the various sporting bodies / clubs should lease. And don’t give me the economic arguments against it until we’ve at least done a proper analysis. Suffice it to say I think it could be run at a profit once concerts, hotels etc are thrown into the sporting mix (70% of Croke Park’s revenue is non match day related).
There is an article in today’s Examiner where Sean Kelly (now of the Irish Sports Council) talks of Ireland hosting sporting events like the Rugby WC or the European Championships in Football in the next 10 yrs. He lists as venues Croke Park, Landsdowne, Maze site in Belfast, Abbotstown (eh?) and Thomand Pk. The fact that Cork, Ireland’s most sporting county (both in terms of interest and success – about 50% of the country’s greatest sports people are/were rebels inc 4 of the first 5 in an RTE poll at the millenium) doesn’t get a mention (for obvious reasons) is a disgrace. I see the City Council gave Frank Murphy an award last month – any chance they could now call in a favour from the Great One?
Ciaran Lynch of Labour proposed a Motion last January calling for a study into the feasability of a municipal stadium. I know Ciaran has moved onto bigger and better things but this Motion needs to be followed up. Anyone any idea where it is at? I’ve e-mailed Ciaran Lynch already asking him to see that his co-opted successor doesn’t lose sight of this issue.
Finally that Examiner article for those interested is as follows:
“Kelly: bring on the big games
IRELAND could host, or co-host, events such as the Rugby World Cup or a European Soccer Championships within the next decade, according to executive chairman of the Irish Institute of Sports, Sean Kelly.
The former GAA president believes that developing sports infrastructure north and south, a mild climate and an improving transport system makes Ireland the ideal location for such showpiece events.
He explained: â€œWe are getting the infrastructures in place. Stadium-wise, we will have the new Lansdowne Road, a stadium at Abbotstown and a possible new development in the Maze in Belfast.
â€œWe also will have a revamped Thomond Park, and the possibility of using Croke Park for other sports, depending on the GAAâ€™s attitude post 2009.
â€œThese are all modern state-of-the-art projects capable of hosting top international events. The key is to have two grounds to take the major games while the other grounds can take lesser matches.
â€œGiven the number of airlines and airports now in existence, the issue of co hosting an event could also be explored.â€
Mr Kelly doesnâ€™t see any issues with venues like Thomond Park hosting a soccer game should the need arise.
â€œRugby never had a problem with soccer. After all, Lansdowne Road is a rugby stadium first and foremost and then it opened to soccer.
â€œThere were plenty of rugby grounds around the country who opened their doors to GAA clubs when they were in trouble.â€
Despite the costs of hosting such events, Mr Kelly is convinced that such tournaments offer a win-win situation for Irish sports and the economy.
â€œThere is massive publicity to be gained from a tourism perspective â€” just think back to the Ryder Cup.
â€œThen you have all the hotels, shops and businesses that would benefit. And donâ€™t forget the exposure that the sports themselves would get.â€
Mr Kelly continued: â€œWe should be targeting something like this as a long-term strategy. The Department of Sports has a committee set up to look at the knock-on benefits of the Olympics Games in London in 2012 and how we can cash in on it.
â€œThey are planning to get teams to come here on training camps and then try to extend their stays. We as a country are starting to look outwards.
â€œThat committee is a first step in that direction. There are other possibilities like sending some out to France to the Rugby World Cup to make contacts and gain more information about what is required to host a major sporting event.â€ “
ah! indeed, well spotted. Would be good then to put a pedestrian bridge from there over to the other side of the river leading to the large 5 star hotel adjacent to the brand new 35,000 seater multi sports discipline / concert venue formerly known as Pairc Ui Chaoimh (now known as Roy Keane Stadium).
Are you organising the hit on Frank Murphy or am I! (only joking, sort of)
Before I post this I should clarify I have no party allegiance
Just to happily give the electorate of Cork a public apology. I said previously on this thread that we were complete twats to vote in so many FF Tds in 2002 given the way the last gov treated Cork from 1997 on. This time unlike the rest of the country we gave FF three less seats in the county and fair dues to us. At least we had the balls to send Bertie a message.
That said I feel v bad for Dan Boyle. He’s a good guy and good for Cork. As it happens I’m one of the first preferences he lost for tactical voting reasons. If GP are in government I hope Dan’s loss does not distract the GP from cork transport development.
not saying it won’t but it is a completely inappropriate site if you ask me. too far out of town, poor road and rail access, etc.dave123 wrote:Not an opinion, but fact.
Cork has got enough investment in infrastructure in this government, comparing to other regions.
Wouldn’t disagree with this e-mail save for the one obvious “region” not mentioned being our nation’s capital. I know its vastly bigger than other regions but still, pro rata, it cleans up financially. For every â‚¬1 spent in Dublin there’s probably (complete guesswork here) 8c spent in Cork, 6c in Limerick and Galway and 4c in Waterford. The Dublin metropolitan region is about 4/5 times bigger than Cork Metro region (ca. 1.25m v 250,000) but it certainly gets more than 4/5 times the funding. As far as I can see, given its spread-out nature, rural Ireland (of necessity?) also gets more money per person thus leaving the regional cities as piggy in the middle. I know the Airport Debt is a hoary ol’ chestnut at this stage but I thought it summed up the situation perfectly that on a day when the Gov announced it couldn’t come up with â‚¬100m to pay off the remaining debt it proceeded to spend â‚¬600m buying the toll bridge in Dublin (without anyone really campaigning for them to do so – not sure anyone actually benefits from it).
Whether Cork does better than other regional cities, I genuinely don’t know but its much of a muchness. If we did “future proofing” in this country as someone suggested above there’d certainly be light rail in Cork and to a lesser degree in Limerick and Galway, proper links to Shannon and Cork airports, dual carriageway / motorway from Cork to Galway, proper municipal sports stadiums in Waterford, Galway, Limerick and Cork, a university in Waterford, rail from Cork to Galway (without passing through Portarlington!), clean water in Galway, etc.
Some chance at present.
I know its nowt to do with Cork Transport but this cheered me up immensely this Monday morning (from today’s Independent)….
“Minister wasn’t in transports of delight over roomless night
TRANSPORT Minister Martin Cullen found himself without a bed on the opening night of the Fianna Fail Ardfheis.
At the end of the race-night fundraiser, he went to the reception desk in City West to ask for the keys to his hotel room, but was told he hadn’t been booked in. According to reliable sources, an embarrassed Mr Cullen then sought to book one of the luxury suites in the 1,100 bedroom hotel, but none of these were available, either.
In the end, the hapless minister had to be driven to another hotel in the city. “
IF THE MAN CAN’T BOOK A HOTEL ROOM IS IT ANY WONDER IRISH TRANSPORT IS IN ITS CURRENT STATE?
Thanks for that Kite.
One issue you might clarify is the status of the tax breaks. These were approved in principle by Brussels, they have obviously been promulgated amongst the developers – I remember Greg Coughlan of Howard being quoted in the paper talking about adequacy or otherwise of the tax proposals – but I’ve never seen details of them, nor any mention of when they’ll be implemented.
We got EU clearance in October 2006 for tax breaks so why weren’t proposals in the December Budget or the Feb 2007 Finance Bill? I did disturbingly see an article by the Head of The Docklands project in City Hall in an IE “Pullout” on the Docklands last Jan which welcomed the EU approval and said that CCC would NOW start putting together proposals on same to Government (in other words, 3 months after EU approval CCC were now “starting” to put together proposals). Is CCC responsible for the delay or is it Government?
Given that the members have apparently voted in favour of moving, is the development a fait accompli or, God forbid, is there any chance it won’t be zoned? It seems amazing they are so confident of changing the zoning in the first place……
I should express an “interest” in this regard as I live on Maryborough Hill but really and truly that road can’t take however many thousand of houses are planned. Equally, whatever happened to the concept of a green belt?