Developments in Cork
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There are some developments going up which I haven’t a clue about and haven’t been able to find any renders. Could someone post them if they have any?
There used to be a garage in this one’s place but don’t know the name of the street.
This one is pretty near the cruiscin lan
Looks exactly the same as when I took a picture a year ago
This site looks like a place in serious need of development. Anybody know if something will go up here in the near future?
Lots of stuff being demolished.
Again, if people have renders or know details of what is going on please post.Behind the buildings that are at the at the corner of south mall and parnell place. One of the builders told me it’s a 4-storey hotel
Back of dunnes:
Behind mathews:
Opposite the college of Com
Grand Parade
WTF did they do here?
@tomk wrote:
Read in yesterday’s Sunday Business Post that the Cornmarket development is scheduled to be completed in October. Does anyone know what tenants will be occupying the units? I heard H&M and Zara being mentioned in the past.
Also in yesterday’s Sunday Business Post was a half page article on the ongoing dispute between the Community for Sustainable Development group and the Cork City Manager, Joe Gavin regarding the 3 storey height cap in the suburbs.
Following on from that article, Joe Gavin gave a written assurance at tonight’s Council meeting that following the CSD and Councillors demands on the issue;
“City Council does not now support developments over three storeys in the suburbs where the predominant form is two storeys”
“When this issue was last discussed I indicated the approach which was been taken and which was generally in line with the motion passed by Council”
“It was also agreed that any amendments required to the City Development will be made following the adoption of the Wilton LAP”
:rolleyes: Further bungalow bliss in Cork?
One of the following statements is true;
(a) At a “behind closed doors†meeting of Cork City Council (28th may 2007), City Manager, Joe Gavin “strongly recommended†that a building that was on the proposed addition to the protected building list be removed from same as a property developer had paid a considerable sum for the site, and it would be unreasonable to expect him to retain the building. The gateway to the site is to be dismantled and moved to another location. This was passed by a 15-8 vote.
(b) At a behind closed doors meeting of Paris City Council it was decided that the Eiffel Tower be dismantled and moved to another area so as to allow a property developer build on the adjacent lands.😉 The fact that Guillotines are not back on the streets of Paris should hint as to which of the above is true!!
@malec wrote:
There are some developments going up which I haven’t a clue about and haven’t been able to find any renders. Could someone post them if they have any?
The first set of pictures is the new Breastcheck facility at the end of the South Terrace, Long overdue.
Not sure what this is, but I reckon it may be student accom, associated with St. Johns College at rear of the site.
There are serious issues here. I believe, CCC have stopped the developers from continuing with their much altered plans, but someone may be able to clarify this further.
Watch out for this one. Expect a spectacular planning application within the next month or so. The quay roadway is to be widened by CCC and the rest of the site is in the hands of private developers…again, expect big plans soon. Also, refer to the post immediatly previous (by Kite) which, I believe is referring to part of this site
I’ve put some details about the above pictured developments in the quote above.
kite wrote:Also in yesterday’]I’m very much in two minds on the issue. Clearly densities in the city have to increase to avoid excessive suburban sprawl, but I do think that areas along existing transport corridors – especially railway lines – should be prioritised over piecemeal building of 5-storey buildings at random locations in the suburbs. I’m also concerned that allowing densities to develop in the suburbs disencourages investment in the docklands, where taller builings are appropriate.
In suburban areas, I’d like to see development of three-storey terraced houses, which provide decent-sized family living accommodation, but at a higher density than is there currently.
Two final points on it. Even if there is a cap, three storeys is way too low. There are plenty of buildings above that height in Douglas, Mahon and Bishopstown already.
Given that there’s hardly any building land left inside the city limits, it’s hardly going to lead to bungalow bliss.
@malec wrote:
Lots of stuff being demolished.
Again, if people have renders or know details of what is going on please post.Correct, a four storey hotel at on Beasly (??) street. Good design. Pity about the loss of some of the facade to Parnell Place.
Massive demolition and rebuild of the entire “Dunnes Block”. Academy Street was supposed to be done at the same time, however we’re stil waiting for the OK from ABP.
See my last post, one page back. OCP developing retail and office here. Just got green light form CCC, however expect appeal to ABp due to “protected” nature of adjacent Matthews centre.
Everything to be demolished here, except the facade of the pub next door. Pub to be rebuilt with new appartments. Should have spectacular views of College of Comm, Holy Trinity and School of Music on the river.
Grand Parade is flying along. Should be slightly ahead of schedule, just before Christmas. The Berwick fountain (Right) is being slowly rebuilt very slightly to the west of its original spot. Thank god they kept what is now the only working fountain on the city streets.
This is a big hole they’ve left. There will be another outside the Library and one more near the National Monument. Plan is to insert a Kiosk with special decking/paving at each site to sell coffee, newspapers etc. Cant say I agree with the idea. Will only serve to clutter the place up and make the new plaza areas less usefull in terms of holding outdoor events on the street. The first one should be in place outsie Bishop Lucey Park (pictured) by August.
See amendments to quote above. Well done on the images malec!
jungle wrote:I’m also concerned that allowing densities to develop in the suburbs disencourages investment in the docklands, where taller builings are appropriate.QUOTE]
🙂 An excellent point.
@jungle wrote:
I’m also concerned that allowing densities to develop in the suburbs disencourages investment in the docklands, where taller builings are appropriate.
That is a very good point. Considering there are sites waiting for redevelopment in the docklands within 5-10 minutes walking distance from the city centre, it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to be throwing buildings like that into very developed, surburban areas an hour walk out of the city (probably an hour drive too some days!)
I just noticed there’s a planning notice on the Ernst & Young building on Oliver Plunkett St., does anyone know what’s going on there? It’s nice to see some life sparking in that end of the street.
Also, I noticed a bit of activity around the ESB building on Caroline St. (the “Ape Opera House”), anyone have any info? I really like the unusual (narrow, and VERY tall) windows in it, hopefully some good use can be found for it.
The planning appl for the ex E&Y building has been there for over a month and seeks permission for a 4 (I think, could be 5) storey over basement. Retail ground and 1st floor and offices/residential overhead.
Apologies for my slightly hazy recollection of the exact details.
“There are serious issues here. I believe, CCC have stopped the developers from continuing with their much altered plans, but someone may be able to clarify this further.”
Radioactiveman – presume this is the builing on Fr Mathew Quay at back of BOI, 33 Sth Mall? If so, I’d be delighted for confirmation that the City Council have taken action. What was going up there was / is a crime. The delapidated structure it was replacing had more merit.
@browser wrote:
“There are serious issues here. I believe, CCC have stopped the developers from continuing with their much altered plans, but someone may be able to clarify this further.”
Radioactiveman – presume this is the builing on Fr Mathew Quay at back of BOI, 33 Sth Mall? If so, I’d be delighted for confirmation that the City Council have taken action. What was going up there was / is a crime. The delapidated structure it was replacing had more merit.
Yes, that’s the building I’m referring to. Although, I’m not up to date with all the details. I believe, the original architects were dispensed with once the building work started and what was going up was in breach of the planning application.
I don’t know if that’s a fair reflection as to what happened, but I’ve heard it from a number of (normally reliable) sources. Perhaps kite may have more information on same?@Radioactiveman wrote:
Yes, that’s the building I’m referring to. Although, I’m not up to date with all the details. I believe, the original architects were dispensed with once the building work started and what was going up was in breach of the planning application.
I don’t know if that’s a fair reflection as to what happened, but I’ve heard it from a number of (normally reliable) sources. Perhaps kite may have more information on same?Original plans were for a food hall in the old mill, and appartments in the adjacent building. They have changed the use, the materials, and completely altered the original plans. The original construction firm were also changed. The only thing that is strange here is that the City Council waited so long before calling a halt!
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Yes, that’s the building I’m referring to. Although, I’m not up to date with all the details. I believe, the original architects were dispensed with once the building work started and what was going up was in breach of the planning application.
I don’t know if that’s a fair reflection as to what happened, but I’ve heard it from a number of (normally reliable) sources. Perhaps kite may have more information on same?The Jacobs Mill building was the subject of a letter from CCC to the owner Mr. Tom McCarthy regarding the development.
The reason work has stopped may have more to do with a major disagreement between the owner and the contractors who were also involved in the redevelopment of Mr. McCarthy’s other “landmark” warehouse looking building, the ? star Kingsley Hotel.
I agree that what was there prior to development was better than the tin roofed, white plastic window effort now in place, but the with this saga likely to end up in a building on Washington Street where people wear funny wigs I will say no more on the matter.Regarding the spectacular planning application Radioactiveman, I think you will be proved right on that. Plans should include the removal of the street running behind the old Phillips store and the Fruit & Veg warehouse with it being covered and incorporated into the proposed development now that Joe Gavin got his wish to remove the old warehouse (next to the Bridewell Garda Station) from the proposed Record of Protected Structures allowing it to be demolished.
@kite wrote:
Regarding the spectacular planning application Radioactiveman, I think you will be proved right on that. Plans should include the removal of the street running behind the old Phillips store and the Fruit & Veg warehouse with it being covered and incorporated into the proposed development now that Joe Gavin got his wish to remove the old warehouse (next to the Bridewell Garda Station) from the proposed Record of Protected Structures allowing it to be demolished.
Thanks for setting us straight on that one kite.
With regard to Kyrl’s Quay, CCC recently advertised their intention to remove right of way through Kyrl’s Street (??) i.e. the street running through that particular site and emerging outside the Bridewell Garda Station,
This has been mentioned in other threads before, but during 2005, CCC ran a design competition for this very site. The winning entry was by Conroy Architecture:
The judges liked:
1. The recognition of the importance of the river by the provision of a raised river-side walk.
2. The proposal opens new routes between Kyrl’s Quay, the City Wall and the City.
3. Placing the buildings at right angles to the quay creates new routes through the site, allows views across the site, links to the river and improves the permeability of the entire area.
4. The entrants showed a careful consideration of circulation routes and the use of different levels linked to public spaces.
5.The concept and building forms are sufficiently robust to accommodate a range of uses including retail, offices, residential, leisure and cultural activities.’Other well placed entries include:
Expect a taller design when Murray Ford submit in the next few weeks.
@Angry Rebel wrote:
The planning appl for the ex E&Y building has been there for over a month and seeks permission for a 4 (I think, could be 5) storey over basement. Retail ground and 1st floor and offices/residential overhead.
Apologies for my slightly hazy recollection of the exact details.
Offices & apartments over ground floor retail? There’s a novelty (:p !)
Thanks Angry Rebel. I wonder if they’ll make any use of the ‘frontage’ onto the side street. I’m loving seeing more and more of the narrow streets around the city centre being brought to life.
About what’s going up on the massive site behind mathews and next to 21 lavitts quay.
I knew I remembered seeing an absolutely hideous proposal for it a while ago and here it is:
Is this actually what’s getting built? If so what were they thinking approving this?
@malec wrote:
About what’s going up on the massive site behind mathews and next to 21 lavitts quay.
I knew I remembered seeing an absolutely hideous proposal for it a while ago and here it is:Is this actually what’s getting built? If so what were they thinking approving this?
Isn’t that the hotel that got shot down?
I was also under the impression that the site has been enlarged due to the addition of the Matthews site, and the old Examiner garage.
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