Developments in Cork

Frinailla and Firestone Developments are at it again.
Following both receiving planning for the Dennehy’s Cross and Eden sites respectively, they have yet again applied for “modifications” to their proposals.
It was brought up before on this thread and I will repeat it again, this type of planning application should incur a fee of at least 100,000 euro to ensure applicants / architects get it right first time.
Multiple applications indicate that the original proposal was flawed and justifies the existence of anti apartment groups such as CSD

I take your point that “circumstances like market environments change during the long ardous planning process which could take up to 3 years in certain areas” but its the rogue developer who blantantly submits revision after revision in an attempt to confuse those who may be effected. I’ve come across many such cases with the end result that your average Joe, is totally confused and unless he/she has the resources to get professional help, it has been too late by the time they spotted a change that may effect them adversely. It just seems that the system works perfectly for such devious developers.

@Spinal Tap wrote:

Looking at Planning Files the litany of spurious serial objectors the term “Professional Help” certainly spring to mind everytime one describes anything over 3-storys “Manhattan” style development in an open planning process – The Evening Echo here is equally guilty as any new proposal for Cork / Docklands is described in similar terms. If its not a rare bird or plant that suddenly comes to attention and needs protection in the City Centre to the detriment of the majority of the citizens for roads,infrastructure,buildings etc.

The planners and the system are not completly stupid you know.

BTW Manhattan is a fantastic place.

Yes the serial objector is indeed a glitch in the system and undoubtedly a huge time loss etc., but I guess such is their right.
Know well some of the beauties some anti groups come up with and again time and money spent investigating etc. may well be used elsewhere but again I guess such it their right.

“The planners and the system are not completly stupid you know.” – of course not but it is inconsistency that gets many a Joe Bloggs up in arms. When I say inconsistency I mean the apparent lack of a level playing field for those applying for planning. I know numerous examples of one off applications, in most cases individuals who are made jump through hoops and conditions to get the planning they require. And thats fine and most will accept that but 1 or 2 years later, a developer comes along with say 3+ houses and upwards and its like all the conditions, levels, proximities do not apply at all. Rushbrooke by the way if full of such cases….
Its what people see around them happening that then cause the Manhattan effect… which I agree is a fantastic place.
People get very annoyed when they themsevles have been through the planning process and willingly spent time and money getting it right but to then see developments popping up in and around locality where everything they adherred to, just does not seem to come into question. This gets um out as they say and can produce some nuggets on rare plants, birds and even transform your average Joe into the dreaded serial objector…. its just frustration.

@kite wrote:

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Multiple applications indicate that the original proposal was flawed and justifies the existence of anti apartment groups such as CSD

groups like teh CSD are entitled to their opinion of course but i agree in that their referring to 3-5 storeys as high rise is plain silly. I am not sure if they are anti high rise or just anti silly development (as the planners in Cork do constantly get over ruled by Bord PLeanala for making silly conditions and granting silly planning with no consistency).

One of the people who has some vague say in the running of the city Cllr Jerry Buttimer is associated I think with the CSD and he is anti urban sprawl but also anti high rise. Go figure.

If the CSD offer alternatives to the developments then fair enough but if we keep stopping developments being over 3 storeys then the city sprawl will continue and the green green grass of home will no longer exist.

Docklands represents a superb opportunity for a precedent of 6 storey tastefully done buildings. Just like many other major capitals in Europe, Germany being a perfecct example.

@Pug wrote:

Docklands represents a superb opportunity for a precedent of 6 storey tastefully done buildings. ]Just like many other major capitals in Europe, .

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SWS property services have but a 3 bed house on 1.6 acres on Bishopstown Road up for sale by tender.
This site is across the road and only 100 meters from Mr. Mark Kelleher’s site where CCC granted permission for a state of the art private hospital.
It is thought that subject to site rezoning, the property could fetch approx 😎 5 million.

@panda wrote:

Does the fact that residents and city council have kept and maintained the green in bishopstown for more than 35yrs give them possessary title on land?
No way city or ABP will grant anything on site it must be worthless now,no developer will touch it considering local press coverage now.

My personal view is that there will be no problem whatsoever in getting permission for this site as the local Councillors are weak, and the Bishopstown Community Association (BCA) are funded through the CCC, so they won’t rock the boat.
If it was in Blackrock, and Cllr. Terry Shannon or Cllr. Denis O’Flynn were keeping watch I would be concerned, the only fly in the ointment here is the Communities for Sustainable Development crowd, or possibly Cllr. Jerry Buttimer (a CSD member anyway), as the GAA has many members in that area.
All the NIMBY’s in that area have large front and back gardens, what they need a green area for is beyond me, unless they need somewhere for their poodles to s*it.

Interesting browser, which CIT building – the library & IT building I assume, not the main building. (I haven’t been out there in 3 or 4 years so I’ve no idea what’s changed recently).

Information here (as far as I can make out)

http://www.architecture.com/go/Architecture/Also/Awards_6328.html

The Environmental Research Institute is out on the Lee Road across the river from the Kingsley Hotel.