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iconic maybe. But that is not enough of reason to keep . It is really ugly. and it takes away from the custom house . tear it down.
this underground has no chance of being built in the next decade so i would not pay it too much attention.
quite simply there is no way it will be built before the new terminal is in place as it would cause too much disruption..
And when bus start shuttling people through the port tunnel much faster than the metro will be able to , i think people will start to question the phenomenal expense.
For now it is trams (which if enough were built would be perfectly adequate).
this extension is crazy ,it is a twenty minute walk to the end , and the main problem remain the main building is too small
correct me if i am wrong , but i think the plan is to turn the old terminal into office and sundry.
I would guess they will keep the two open side by side , for some time in order to tease out the enevitable problems with the new building.
i heard someone on the radio bashing the port tunnel for the delays , but in doing so they explain a big reason behind the 5 years build.
at some point the machines were not longer allowed to do 24hour digging , and so the timetable went out the window
yes but few people live there and there is little scope for high density housing in the medium or long term.
The city needs to find space for a lot of people to live so on whole it is a good routing. The entrances to the estates which cross the line are relatively small.
It would be a good idea to redo one of the entrances as an underpass at this stage so that the area could be reorganised in the future to allow full segregation without shutting the line down.
plus there are two m50 bridges . they will have to be built without closing the motorway.
and a good strech runs on top of a road which is going to be rebuilt beside the luas . now while this road is a separate council job , it means trying to coordinate ripping up an old road without closing it all together.
hopefully they will get the contracts right so that the amount tendered is the amount paid, giving an incentive to finish as fast as possible . Even if it means a higher tender price.
@mickeydocs wrote:
Great point TP, let’s learn from Dublin’s mistakes and do something that will serve as a model as to how to
take it forward.Dublin is indeed deserving of the infrastructural investment it is receiving, but the government must beware of creating a Singapore part two.
a laudable aim , unfortunately dublin and it’s commuter belt hold 40 percent of the population. I think it is enevitable that development will not only continue but cement in its lopsided nature.
this is moving the topic, but
what i can’t understand is that limerick has train tracks that run right through it. why is it not used ?
it might not solve all limerick ills but it would hardly break the bank to try to expand the ennis train service to the south of the city by building one or two basic stations : ie just platforms .
@Micko wrote:
You could reasonabley expect at least 250,000 out of cork if the likes of Glanmire and Ballincollig was included. I’m guessing you mean 75,000 for Limerick. 😀
Greater Cork is 186,000 according to 2002 cencus. That doesn’t inclue Douglas which has 20,000 people. Glanmire another 15,000. Ballincollig 15,000 and sundry others which might add up to 10,000.
That would be 256,000.
Add in Midleton, Blarney and Carrigaline you get to 274,000 which is the figure stated in the Cork Housing Strategy for the Metropolitan Cork Area.
just stop . how ever many you add dublin can add many more and the other cities can add just as many. it is really silly. leixslip/celbridge is physically connect to dublin ‘city’ but sits in kildare. will i add another 50000.
does dublin stretch to greystones (another 10000).
get over it. all the cities have grown .
Dublin remains a big town, cork a town galway a small town , and limerick another small town.
who cares if cork has a quarter of a million does it change anything ?
why would someone want to go to the effort to demolish such a nice house ?
they were hardly going to replace it with something better…:)
@A-ha wrote:
He is on about Dublin Metropolis….. didn’t you hear daniel, it’s bigger than Tokyo, London, New York and Paris combined. :rolleyes:
this whole population thing is pathetic.
the cso figures are.
dublin city : 505,739
cork city : 119,143
galway city : 71,983
limerick city: 52,560dublin in at least four times bigger than cork which is one and half times the size of galway which is one and half time the size of limerick.
Each city can push it’s boundaries out and come up with a bigger number .
if you do that with dublin you get 1,186,159 living in dublin county. tops a million people are living in a surburb which is contiguous with dublin ,
as for the other cities it is difficult to say since the urbanisation is so recent.
but cork could believably claim to 200000 galway 100000 and limerick 750000.
Just so we know where we stand.
@Micko wrote:
Again, it looks as if the NRA are not going to use 2+1 after all due to safety issues. A lot of reported crashes where the end of 2nd lane comes up. People trying to get past others before the lane ends and then crash into the barrier before making it.
BTW, as I have pointed out already, in very heavy traffic, 2+1 is a worse setup than single carriageway. This is due to the fact that every 4 miles you will have 2 lanes converging into 1. This would be traffic chaos. This is reportedly another reason why the NRA has scraped the idea of using 2+1.
1 don’t build the barrier.
2 BTW in very heavy traffic this makes no sense.3 jungle is spot on , future proofing does not require building the road now but keeping the option open for the future.
4. commuter traffic at the edges of both cities takes up all the extra space on the dual carriageways heading into each city. So there is no , repeat no point in building a dualcarriage way between cashel and portaoise until you are able to upgrade the portlaoise dublin section to a 4 lane motorway , and dublin’s m50 to a min six lane motorway, and cork’s ring road to a four lane ring road.
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groundwell a 2+1 with slip roads on and off would certainly be much safer than other roads. And building such a road would a lot cheaper.
The reason i started this was to at least get somebody thinking . a easy billion is being spent building the road to cork. what other things might that have paid for ?
if the train had a very large capacity and was substantially faster than the road , how many would be left driving ?
Duilding a dualcarriage way does not future proof much at all, as i have repeatedly tried to explain. What it does is fuel the city sprawl, generating useless commuter traffic. I am not trying to blame the people who do live in the outer suburbs. They are caught in the difficult position of having no options.
As a country one ought to be putting in place group transport before individual transport.
Now were are stuck with trying to entice a quarter of a million people into cork and dublin, because it will never be possible to service them adequately whereever they are, or at least at any reasonable cost.
thanks i was meaning to put in an objection . often things look better after looking at them for a little while , but this looks worse.
yes there are just too many different applications, none of which appear to come from this year .
is this land part of the docklands development area?
@THE_Chris wrote:
We need it all really.
Cork needs those other 2 flyovers done. It also needs the patchwork of Dunkettle sorted out, and possibly the north ring, but not quite yet for that.
The Bus service needs a compete and utter overhaul.
We need a LUAS type system, running from the train station, to the bus station, down Patricks Street, out to UCC, to CIT and other spurs as needed.
that is exactly why i butted into this thread. you cant have it all . not now anyway. over twenty/thirty years sure.
That is why you need to step back look at what you have built , see what impact it has had , and decide what to do next.
