Cork Transport
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So we can get on with the relevant discussions, these are the CSO (2002) figures for the total population of the cities taking into account where they spill over county boundaries.
Dublin 1,004,614
Cork 186,239
Limerick 86,998
Galway 66,163
Waterford 46,736The figures for the 2006 census aren’t available yet, so these are 2002 figures
this is moving the topic, but
what i can’t understand is that limerick has train tracks that run right through it. why is it not used ?
it might not solve all limerick ills but it would hardly break the bank to try to expand the ennis train service to the south of the city by building one or two basic stations : ie just platforms .
Great point TP, let’s learn from Dublin’s mistakes and do something that will serve as a model as to how to
take it forward.Dublin is indeed deserving of the infrastructural investment it is receiving, but the government must beware of creating a Singapore part two.
@mickeydocs wrote:
Great point TP, let’s learn from Dublin’s mistakes and do something that will serve as a model as to how to
take it forward.Dublin is indeed deserving of the infrastructural investment it is receiving, but the government must beware of creating a Singapore part two.
a laudable aim , unfortunately dublin and it’s commuter belt hold 40 percent of the population. I think it is enevitable that development will not only continue but cement in its lopsided nature.
Hey, hate to be going off the point of the last few posts but my brother flew into the new terminal last week. He said there was a really long que for the mens toliet in the baggage reclaim area – you wouldn’t often see a que for a mens toliet even in a night club! 🙂
The 3 or 4 baggage belts is worrying also – more than 4 or 5 planes land at close enough times and it’s “angry people trying to lug their bags off the belt….!” But we’ll see! At least there’s room for expansion in years to come and we have the old terminal also..just in case! 🙂
@A-ha wrote:
Does anyone know anything about that Water Taxi service that was planned? I haven’t heard anything about it in ages. Maybe they abandoned the plan? :confused:
Abandoned as far as I know, due to exhorbitant insurance prices and a 9kmh speed limit in the river.
@THE_Chris wrote:
Abandoned as far as I know, due to exhorbitant insurance prices and a 9kmh speed limit in the river.
That’s such a shame. I was really looking forward to using the Lee as a mode of transport. Oh well, maybe in a few years when all those boardwalks and such are built down in the docklands.
@THE_Chris wrote:
Abandoned as far as I know, due to exhorbitant insurance prices and a 9kmh speed limit in the river.
…and the high capital costs involved in acquiring the required machinery,
@daniel_7 wrote:
how is it a village compared to dublin when it has a third of its population ya typical dublin birdbrain!
In terms of scale the difference is very noticable between Cork and Dublin. Cork is far smaller no matter what way you look at it. The GDA has a population approaching 2 million. The reason these Counties Meath, Kildare, Wicklow are little more then suburbs of Dublin is because of a: Urban Sprawl, b: Dublin has whats known as a ‘critical mass’ of commerce and industry matched no-where else on the island. Even Belfast also looks town like to me and it has less then half the population. BTW I dont understand how you could take that as a slur against Cork. I like Cork, its a very nice place compared to the congestion in Dublin.
@darkman wrote:
In terms of scale the difference is very noticable between Cork and Dublin. Cork is far smaller no matter what way you look at it. The GDA has a population approaching 2 million. The reason these Counties Meath, Kildare, Wicklow are little more then suburbs of Dublin is because of a: Urban Sprawl, b: Dublin has whats known as a ‘critical mass’ of commerce and industry matched no-where else on the island. Even Belfast also looks town like to me and it has less then half the population. BTW I dont understand how you could take that as a slur against Cork. I like Cork, its a very nice place compared to the congestion in Dublin.
LOL…. don’t make me wet myself. I mean, honestly….. yeah Dublin is bigger than Cork, but come on, it ain’t no metropolis. It’s the capital of Ireland, not capital of the world, so don’t make it sound as if it is Tokyo, London, New York or Paris, because it is far, far from it. And may I ask where you got your 2 million figure, because last time I looked, Dublin wasn’t host to over half of Ireland’s population. Also, I don’t understand your “critical mass” of commerce and industry. Define critical mass…. because I’ve never heard those words used in the same sentence as Dublin without “doesn’t have any” stuck in the middle. As for Belfast being town like… don’t kid yourself and don’t forget that Belfast is the capital of a country aswell. The Greater Belfast Area has about half a million people, larger than some other European capitals and it seems to be doing just fine. I’m sure everyone on here will agree that Dublin is by far bigger than Cork, but don’t use us as an excuse for you to try and glam up Dublin to make it sound like a world player when it comes to global cities. Get a hold on yourself!!!! 😉
A-ha wrote:LOL…. don’t make me wet myself. I mean, honestly….. yeah Dublin is bigger than Cork, but come on, it ain’t no metropolis. It’s the capital of Ireland, not capital of the world, so don’t make it sound as if it is Tokyo, London, New York or Paris, because it is far, far from it. And may I ask where you got your 2 million figure, because last time I looked, Dublin wasn’t host to over half of Ireland’s population. Also, I don’t understand your “critical mass” of commerce and industry. Define critical mass…. because I’ve never heard those words used in the same sentence as Dublin without “doesn’t have any” stuck in the middle. As for Belfast being town like… don’t kid yourself and don’t forget that Belfast is the capital of a country aswell. The Greater Belfast Area has about half a million people, larger than some other European capitals and it seems to be doing just fine. I’m sure everyone on here will agree that Dublin is by far bigger than Cork, but don’t use us as an excuse for you to try and glam up Dublin to make it sound like a world player when it comes to global cities. Get a hold on yourself!!!! ]😮 Youve honestly mis-understood my thread.
Firstly I never said Dublin was a ‘Metropolis’. Its on its way but not yet.
Secondly I never grouped Dublin with London, Paris or Tokyo.
Thirdly Belfast is the ‘capital’ of a disputed province. It, like, Edinburgh and Cardiff are not seen as Capitals in a strict sense.
Fourth, if your a Dub and you live in Dublin and visit Limerick, Cork or Galway (which I have done on several occassions) they literally feel very small, more tight nit places.
The CSO says that Dublins population (in terms of the GDA) will be over 2 million by 2015. Look at the provisional figures on the CSO website for Dublins population and its surrounding counties for 2006 and its around 1.7 – 1.8M. Its pretty obvious we will be over 2 million at the current rate of population growth. In fact that could be an underestimate.
One thing I would like to say is what ive said already is that I like Cork the way it is. I was there on holiday a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed it. Its a very nice place. Just by stating fact that Dublin is far bigger then Cork shouldnt be seen as a slur of any kind because it isnt.
If you want to know where the term ‘critical mass’ comes from in terms of my use of it read the ‘Construction of Dublin’ by Frank McDonald in which he argues that this country may well be the first to become a ‘city state’ in the 21st Century. The vast majority of activity in this country happens in the Greater Dublin Area. In fact everythng is so centralised on Dublin that the city is essential to the economic credibility of the country as a whole and indeed the island where it accounts alone for the majority of economic output. You talk about importance. Dublin is a finacial centre. If Dublin dissappeared tomorrow I think most Cork ppl would realise how important Dublin is to them. 🙂
BTW this sounds a bit daft really ‘Define critical mass…. because I’ve never heard those words used in the same sentence as Dublin without “doesn’t have any” stuck in the middle’. Of course Dublin has critical mass.
I assure you im not kidding myself about Belfast. Im up their once a month and know the city very well and it is actually quite small despite the high rise elements (which im in favour of). They dont even have a proper commuter rail service never mind the ‘metro’ which is little more then a glorified bus service.
BTW also im only saying what I see. I am very critical of many things about Dublin. The DART thread for example. Just in case you think im just another Dub who thinks Dublin is great. It certainly isnt!
As a Dub living in Cork and loving it I can now see that Dublin has all the hassles and stresses of a big city but very few of the conveniences i.e. cheap mass transit,affordable property and quality of life.
I love Dublin but moving south has opened my eyes to its problems as its easy to get around Corks roads and get to West Cork or Kerry easily etc. I hope Corks planners learn from Dublins mistakes.
The Dublin/Leinster area having a massive population in itself is’nt a great thing its just the sign of a successful economy but it means that more and more people demanding the same thingsproperty,transport,leisure etc.Just to deviate the thread slightly
Any thoughts on Kinsale roundabout? certainly struggling at the moment but to be fair lanes are closed and resurfacing is taking place. I havent driven it yet so am only going on hearsay but the freshly re laned roundabout I am told is worse than the last one.But I am willing to wait and see. I still wont take it in the morning to go in to the city until they finish it fully!
@Pug wrote:
Just to deviate the thread slightly
Any thoughts on Kinsale roundabout? certainly struggling at the moment but to be fair lanes are closed and resurfacing is taking place. I havent driven it yet so am only going on hearsay but the freshly re laned roundabout I am told is worse than the last one.But I am willing to wait and see. I still wont take it in the morning to go in to the city until they finish it fully!
Its fine so far but hard to judge until all the re-surfacing works are completed in 6 weeks.
It has been a lot quicker for me heading home in the evenings through to Frankfield.I came home to Cork for the 1st time from Dublin in about 7 weeks last weekend (Always more going on at the weekends in the summer so it’s harder to get down! 🙂 ) I came under the tunnel and went over the flyover – but I needed to go through the roundabout – missed my exit because I was so fixed on checking out the flyover – it’s good – has a nice view at night time of the city lights/glow! Will be interesting to see in Sept. when the schools are back how the Frankfield hill will be! :rolleyes:
The longer I live in Dublin the more I appreciate Cork. Don’t get me wrong – Dublin is fantastic – big city, great buzz, really young. But it’s a breath of fresh air getting around Cork and heading in around town on a Saturday for a walk around the shops. I just hope that if/ when I eventually move back to Cork it won’t have turned into the chaos that Dublin can be now! :p
@Pug wrote:
Just to deviate the thread slightly
Any thoughts on Kinsale roundabout? certainly struggling at the moment but to be fair lanes are closed and resurfacing is taking place. I havent driven it yet so am only going on hearsay but the freshly re laned roundabout I am told is worse than the last one.But I am willing to wait and see. I still wont take it in the morning to go in to the city until they finish it fully!
It’s a big change for many motorists, so it’s bound to have a few kinks and everything. Just needs some getting used to in my opinion. But I would agree, avoid it if possible for the moment, at least until re-surfacing is done. Traffic from the tunnel isn’t helping either.
Ohhh, almost forgot. The new terminal opened for departures today. Last flight from the old terminal was a Wizz Air flight to Katowice. Many memories.
@A-ha wrote:
It’s a big change for many motorists, so it’s bound to have a few kinks and everything. Just needs some getting used to in my opinion. But I would agree, avoid it if possible for the moment, at least until re-surfacing is done. Traffic from the tunnel isn’t helping either.
I have one gripe about the signage, which is that it isn’t 100% clear that you have to turn off before the flyover to go to Togher. I was expecting it, so no bother, but I suspect they may have a few overshoots in early weeks.
@A-ha wrote:
Ohhh, almost forgot. The new terminal opened for departures today. Last flight from the old terminal was a Wizz Air flight to Katowice. Many memories.
departing flights delayed this morning as baggage belts broke down but teething problems to be expected I suppose. Ryanair throwing shapes at taking the old terminal.
@A-ha wrote:
Ohhh, almost forgot. The new terminal opened for departures today. Last flight from the old terminal was a Wizz Air flight to Katowice. Many memories.
departing flights delayed this morning as baggage belts broke down but teething problems to be expected I suppose. Ryanair throwing shapes at taking the old terminal.
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