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- August 15, 2006 at 9:09 pm #779373
A-ha
Participant@Pug wrote:
departing flights delayed this morning as baggage belts broke down but teething problems to be expected I suppose. Ryanair throwing shapes at taking the old terminal.
I wonder if those poor passengers got to use the airbridge this morning…. it was raining. Ryanair has been on about that for over a year now. They want to take control of the old terminal and operate it as a Ryanair only terminal, with charters using it at summer peak periods. I think it would be a great move if they did take it over, but I’d hope that it wouldn’t be at the expense of other airlines using Cork. Variety is good. I’d hate to see a monopoly at Cork. We had enough of that with Aer Lingus in the eighties.
August 15, 2006 at 9:32 pm #779374THE_Chris
Participant@Pug wrote:
Just to deviate the thread slightly
Any thoughts on Kinsale roundabout? certainly struggling at the moment but to be fair lanes are closed and resurfacing is taking place. I havent driven it yet so am only going on hearsay but the freshly re laned roundabout I am told is worse than the last one.But I am willing to wait and see. I still wont take it in the morning to go in to the city until they finish it fully!
Drove it today. They’ve gotten rid of some traffic lights there, but the big problem is theres a lane closed near the linkup that comes from Cork. It’ll get better once they have it all sorted.
But the flyover is a big, big help. Will be interesting though to see how quickly the tunnel snarls up once the schools go back.
August 15, 2006 at 9:47 pm #779375kite
Participant@THE_Chris wrote:
But the flyover is a big, big help. Will be interesting though to see how quickly the tunnel snarls up once the schools go back.
😡 That tunnel is turning out to be one big Irish JOKE, mainland Europe is littered with tunnels and most Countries would use a guillotine on whoever is responsible for closing one on such a regular basis.
What is the problem with the tunnel?
Has the guarantee run out or are Walls still responsible for defects?
Will this “maintenance schedule†become more regular with age?
Will the taxpayer have to foot the repair bill if, (when) defects are found outside the warranty period?
Does anyone care; after all public money is there to be wasted!! 😉August 16, 2006 at 12:58 am #779376THE_Chris
ParticipantIts the manhole covers. They keep breaking and the concrete around them needs replacing every few months.
Believe it or not, Im not joking about this.
August 16, 2006 at 8:47 am #779377kite
Participant@THE_Chris wrote:
Its the manhole covers. They keep breaking and the concrete around them needs replacing every few months.
Believe it or not, Im not joking about this.
😡
Thanks The_Chris, I was wondering what the problem was this time.
This sounds like the same problem that closed the tunnel within 2 months of it opening in 1999. I remember inshore fishermen at the time (before the tunnel was built) saying this would happen as the tunnel would be built in tidal waters, they were dismissed as fools by the engineers involved in the project.:oA demand from Cork City Councillors for an update on the condition of the Jack Lynch tunnel dated 9th Feb.2004, Motion 10.9 brought the following response from city management;
“The condition of the Jack Lynch tunnel is excellent. There is no structural damage to the tunnel.
The tunnel is closed for 2 nights every three months for regular maintenance. The last closure was 8th – 9th January 2004. Apart from routine maintenance closures, there are no plans to close the Jack Lynch tunnelâ€Who is telling porkies???:p
August 16, 2006 at 12:58 pm #779378bazarrus
Participant@Pug wrote:
departing flights delayed this morning as baggage belts broke down but teething problems to be expected I suppose. Ryanair throwing shapes at taking the old terminal.
Surely the dis-economies of scale of operating both terminals (duplication of security etc) count against its use?
Was it always planned to remain in use or was it due to be knocked? If it is to be used, would it not be better to use the old terminal for say, cargo planes or perhaps internal flights only?
August 16, 2006 at 1:08 pm #779379a boyle
Participantcorrect me if i am wrong , but i think the plan is to turn the old terminal into office and sundry.
I would guess they will keep the two open side by side , for some time in order to tease out the enevitable problems with the new building.
August 16, 2006 at 1:27 pm #779380mickeydocs
ParticipantIt would be great to see Ryanair use it as a low cost hub. Would such a strategy be unique or does anyone know of an airport operating such a policy?
August 16, 2006 at 2:15 pm #779381jungle
Participant@a boyle wrote:
correct me if i am wrong , but i think the plan is to turn the old terminal into office and sundry.
I would guess they will keep the two open side by side , for some time in order to tease out the enevitable problems with the new building.
Indeed, that is the current plan. Although the part of the old terminal that handled inbound baggage may be knocked to allow one of the stands to accommodate wider aircraft.
I think I’ve posted this before, but for anyone who didn’t see it…
When the new terminal was built, they avoided having to do a full environmental impact assessment because the old one was closing. If the old one were to reopen, it would be required. That would delay any plan to reopen the old one although not necessarily scupper it.
I still maintain that Ryanair don’t run terminals and won’t take the terminal over. If it did reopen, it would be marketed as a Low Cost terminal for all LoCos operating into Cork.
I don’t think it’s a priority for Cork Airport anyway. The new terminal will suffice for a number of years and the planned extension to that one is more likely. I’d put future expansion of passenger capacity quite a long way down the list of needed enchancements after
- More stands for aircraft (Critical and it’s irrelevant to talk about expansion of passenger facilities until it’s done)
- Moving the cargo facilities from their current location
- Building a parallel taxiway (Without it, the airport can handle around 16 flights/8 turnarounds per hour (assuming a mix of inbound and outbound) only. This is already being pushed on summer weekends.
- A lengthened runway (Some destinations – Cyprus – already require aircraft to stop if the winds are blowing the wrong direction. Longer flights – Egypt – are planned and East Coast of the US is likely. Contrary to popular belief, the terrain will easily accommodate a 300m extension)
Prectically, the third and fourth on the list should be done at the same time.
@mickeydocs wrote:
It would be great to see Ryanair use it as a low cost hub. Would such a strategy be unique or does anyone know of an airport operating such a policy?
I know of nowhere where a Low Cost airline operates a terminal. However, there are some airport (e.g. Marseilles, Geneva) where the airport operator maintains a separate terminal for Low Cost operators.
August 16, 2006 at 2:32 pm #779382THE_Chris
ParticipantI dont think Ryanair will take over the old terminal simply because they wouldnt be willing to pay for the full terminal security that would be required.
August 16, 2006 at 9:11 pm #779383Angry Rebel
ParticipantI believe the answer to the diseconomies of scale of operating two terminals is to connect them and have no external access to the old terminal. All passengers would checkin in the new terminal, clear security there, and then go through a secure connection (to be built) to the old terminal. Arriving flights could also arrive through the old terminal. This may lead to pressure on checkin desks but that might encourage the handling agents/airlines to actually have them all open for once! How often do you see all open at once? Ever?!
Jungle – excellent post, agree completely. Apparently the priority within the CAA at the moment is the cargo village. Presumably because that creates the space for more passenger plane parking close to the terminal and creates the space to expand the terminal down onto where the cargo handling buildings currently stand.
August 18, 2006 at 10:37 am #779384Anonymous
Inactive@jungle wrote:
- A lengthened runway (Some destinations – Cyprus – already require aircraft to stop if the winds are blowing the wrong direction. Longer flights – Egypt – are planned and East Coast of the US is likely. Contrary to popular belief, the terrain will easily accommodate a 300m extension)
Jungle, are you sure about this? Most people (popular belief!) seem to think there are major issues with this. Similar problems for upgrading the ILS to CAT-III?
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August 18, 2006 at 11:33 am #779385jungle
Participant@X Boil wrote:
Jungle, are you sure about this? Most people (popular belief!) seem to think there are major issues with this. Similar problems for upgrading the ILS to CAT-III?
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CAT III is a problem. The terrain falls away very quickly after the end of the runway and it would be very expensive to install it.
A short runway extension (up to 300m) isn’t an issue. This would be enough to make aircraft other than the 757 viable for transatlantic flights. Anything much more than 300m and you would run into problems, but unless very long flights or very big aircraft are being targetted, that’s not likely to be required.
The big issue with a runway extension would be how to keep the runway operational (especially to CAT II level, which is definitely needed in Cork) while it was being constructed.
That said, all these comments are made with respect to terrain. There would be land ownership issues assoicated with a runway extension and at least one house would require a CPO.
August 18, 2006 at 1:18 pm #779386Anonymous
InactiveIn fairness one house is not a huge price to pay once it is nothing special in architectural terms ans would be a lot less intrusive than some of the Dublin and Stansted extensions and proposed extensions.
Unless like Knock you wish to build an airport on top of a mountain there will always be at least a small number of losers and I’m sure that CPO would be an attractive option to a householder currently living directly under such a low flightpath.
August 18, 2006 at 1:58 pm #779387jungle
Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
In fairness one house is not a huge price to pay once it is nothing special in architectural terms ans would be a lot less intrusive than some of the Dublin and Stansted extensions and proposed extensions.
Depending on the length of the extension, it could be as many as 7 or 8. There would also be another few houses that may become practically uninhabitable as the aircraft would be much lower overhead. It’s not massive money or inconvenience though.
If the airport management had any sense, they’d be purchasing these houses every time one of them came on the market anyway. They are going to need to acquire them at some point.
August 18, 2006 at 3:13 pm #779388Spinal Tap
Participant@jungle wrote:
Depending on the length of the extension, it could be as many as 7 or 8. There would also be another few houses that may become practically uninhabitable as the aircraft would be much lower overhead. It’s not massive money or inconvenience though.
If the airport management had any sense, they’d be purchasing these houses every time one of them came on the market anyway. They are going to need to acquire them at some point.
I thought that Cork Airport was buying up all the houses that came up for sale in the past number of years.
On a seperate note demolition has begun on Beasley Street off South Mall & Parnell Place including one of the facades onto Parnell place for a hotel development.
August 18, 2006 at 4:25 pm #779389THE_Chris
ParticipantIts a pity they’re taking down those old buildings. Sure, they are ugly as they are, but the designs on them would have been quite nice if restored.
Any pics of the new place, or are we just gonna get another generic mostly-glass-front-Clarion-style hotel?
August 20, 2006 at 1:11 pm #779390Micko
ParticipantCould someone settle this arguement.
I make off that years ago, maybe 40 years ago, to travel from Cork to Midleton you would first have to go into Glanmire, over the hump back bridge beside the AIB and up the back of the Water Resevoir and end up at thee back of the present IBIS hotel.
It was only years later that a bridge was built at the glanmire roundabout which allowed you to get to where the IBIS hotel is today.
August 20, 2006 at 3:48 pm #779391kite
Participant@Micko wrote:
Could someone settle this arguement.
I make off that years ago, maybe 40 years ago, to travel from Cork to Midleton you would first have to go into Glanmire, over the hump back bridge beside the AIB and up the back of the Water Resevoir and end up at thee back of the present IBIS hotel.
It was only years later that a bridge was built at the glanmire roundabout which allowed you to get to where the IBIS hotel is today.
😀 As I remember the route from Cork to Midleton; McCurtin St. pass Kent Station, pass the Silversprings Hotel (now Moran’s) to the Elm Tree pub, skew bridge, past Youghal Carpets factory….next stop Moby Dicks in Youghal (hic) circa 1971-2
August 21, 2006 at 6:51 pm #779392domosullivan
ParticipantOn a more positive note – I was back home in West Cork last week and had to visit the city on Wednesday. I decided to use the Black Ash park and ride facility for the first time. It was excellent.
As there was a bus about to leave the attendant handed us our passenger tickets and told us to pay on our return. The service has us on the quay in a few short minutes. The return was equally punctual.
The whole experience was effortless and great value for money. The car park appeared to be quite full so hopefully it is a sign that people in Cork are willing to use clean, efficient and reliable public transport even if it is not rail based. - AuthorPosts
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