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@apelles wrote:
I hadn’t seen that on here before Samuel. . BTW if you copy the Embed code next to a video & paste that into your post then the video itself appears in the post. . saves viewers leaving the page.
Have edited/updated the post 🙂
@Praxiteles wrote:
St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Looking again at the famous Conservation management Plan for Cobh Cathedral, it is interesting to note that one of the recommendations for the future security of the building is teh constitution of an professional body with responsibility for its general and exceptional maintenance. It is also recommended that the members of this body should be conservation specialists and that the overall supervision fo the fabric be entrusted to a professional surveyor.
Something we all knew, glad that at last this is being recommended officially.:)
As to the muppets who did not complete the last job, should they not be sued and try to get some compensation to go towards the work that now has to be re-done.:mad:@PVC King wrote:
1m plus hits
Hats off to one Praxiteles, no doubt St Colmans is a lot safer than it otherwise would have been
Yes indeed, well done 😉
@Praxiteles wrote:
As for the conservation officer, we have not yet heard anything from that quarter.
Do we have one…:confused:
I asked for one to attend a case where there was damage to a protected structure that the council themselves had put on their conservation list….. no one ever came on site and everyone ducked and dived. Took private legal action to get it sorted with no help from anyone in the council or any conservation office or officer….. 😡A joke if you ask me, no one cared and no one wanted to lift a finger.
The only thing Cobh Town Council conserve, is their energy:mad:They could not be trusted to conserve a brick Sh1thouse, so god help St. Colmans
@gunter wrote:
There’s a touch of the H-blocks about it, but the finished article does look quite good. I wonder if they intend to go back over the elaborate hinges now in imitation of cast iron!
Good one Gunter 😀
Hinges re-do would help the look and tone it down a bit.Yes, just heard the same myself, I understand it was said that all works (whatever they may be) have been approved by the Town Architect and Engineer…… oh dear god……
@apelles wrote:
There are some “contributors” to this thread who have nothing really interesting to actually contribute apart from borrowed negativity, maybe if they had something worthwhile to communicate or post then they wouldn’t confuse monomania with real passion or accuse the one person who’s understanding of this subject goes way beyond their comprehension.
Hear, Hear
Thanks for that Prax, thought as much as had heard a whisper along time ago that changes to the drainage done during the restoration were going to come back in time and cause more problems.
I’d love to know what engineers are responsible for this as even with a limited knowledge of soil mechanics… shale and messing with drainage leads to slippage fun and games.
This all over Cobh and many new estates built in the Boom had problems with sinking foundations etc. due to incorrect and slap dash drainage. Know it cost some builders a forture to put right with major underpinning. And this is just on brand new Semi Ds…….Work going on today out road outside Church…believe it to do with testing on soil stability.
Anyone know anymore….“watercolour of the interior of the church by Roisin O’Shea” -magnificent, the detail is fantastic, well done Roisin:)
I got some of them brown tiles, think I got them in the discount bin at one of the cork outlets. were fine for inside the back door where the dog sleeps… but in a church. whats the story with the spire …looks very like a modern fire station, with spire for drying,testing fire hoses. A few flat screen tvs, a pool table etc could make it a nice place for a bachelor pad but very sad if thats the best they can do for a place for worship, solace and reflection.
@johnglas wrote:
except in that both are misuses of power and control and are utterly insensitive to the concerns and feelings of others..
Couldn’t agree more..
The Minister for Children has told RTÉ News he believes the handling by the Cloyne diocese of abuse allegations was very worrying, and he said he did have concern that the Bishop of Cloyne was patron of all national schools in that diocese.The National Safeguarding Board for Children in the Catholic Church (NBSCCC), published last week, found that the Diocese of Cloyne, Church authorities broke their own rules on reporting allegations.
So during Bishops Magee ‘watch’ if I can call it that, he would appear to have had a cavalier attitude to the rules and regulations of such a serious matter as Child Protection.Is it with any surprise that on a matter miles down the scale by comparison to its seriousness and danger but again on his ‘watch’ that we have witnessed a scant regard to the rules and regulations pertaining to planning and preservation.
Not even on his radar I would hazard a guess.It is the handling of both cases albeit they miles apart in their seriousness that I have a problem with,,:(
Both have Bishop Magee at the helm and both are misuses of power and control and are utterly insensitive to the concerns and feelings of others:mad:@pandaz7 wrote:
Should the handling of child sex abuse cases and re-ordering of Church sanctuaries be mentioned in the same paragraph in this way? Surely these two issues are entirely unrelated. The latter has been rightly commented on in great detail in this forum and I wholly agree with the thrust of the objections in the Cobh case but it must pale into insignificance beside the protection of innocent children.
Absolutely, it pales into insignificance and perhaps my comment “the seriousness of the recent Abuse allegation cases or more specifically their handling, is on a level far more dangerous than the re-ordering issues” was not strong enough at all.
What we are hearing in the media now is just horrendous and my only point of bringing it to the attention of Archiseek, is that alas it is the same people of so called authority that are also responsible for the situation with St. Colman’s.
And I literally mean the same people 😮What smigin of trust I had for these individuals, well , with this mind boggling handling of the protection of Children…. what trust in anything they do or say could you have again..:mad:
@Praxiteles wrote:
I just wonder about heritage protection standards in the diocese of Cloyne and wonder when, eventually, the HACK will have to resign for its incompetence and misguidance.
Indeed, the recent media attention to the what would appear to be a total incompetence and lack of any understanding of the issues, just mirrors the arrogance and handling of the whole St.Colmans debacle.
The seriousness of the recent Abuse allegation cases or more specifically their handling, is on a level far more dangerous than the re-ordering issues but it is worth noting the similarities in their handling. To quote the Churches Abuse Watchdog “It said there appeared to be no understanding or appreciation of the nature of issues being dealt with,”
What is it going to take to get Resignations……:confused:
Source Irish Examiner Frontpage news today
“Saturday, December 20, 2008
Pressure on bishop to quit
By Claire O’Sullivan and Paul O’Brien
BISHOP OF CLOYNE John Magee was coming under strong pressure to resign last night as a damning Church report revealed he and his diocese had put children at risk by delaying in reporting clerical sex abuse to gardaà and failing to immediately remove alleged offenders from ministries.The report from the Catholic Church’s National Board for Safeguarding Children (NSBC) found the Co Cork diocese was “significantly deficient†in dealing with alleged child abuse cases and “failed to focus on the needs of the vulnerable childâ€.
It also said the diocese had no understanding of the effects of paedophilia, or of the high level of re-offending. The report’s author, Ian Elliott, said that after a victim approached the bishop and his child protection team with a complaint, the actions taken were “minimal and were delayedâ€.
He also noted that the complaints made to the bishop were credible and that more children were put at risk because of this failure to react appropriately.
“The diocese is vulnerable to being seen to be complicit in not taking action to remove these people from the priesthood,†Mr Elliott wrote in the report.
Mr Elliott said that the NSBC began to investigate the handling of claims after it was alerted to two serious complaints where the victims reported a perceived lack of willingness by the bishop and fellow priests to follow appropriate child protection regulations.
In the case of the second victim, the failure of the diocese to process her complaint properly had led to “significant additional traumaâ€.
In a statement last night, Bishop Magee said he was “disappointed†at the contents of the report, saying he had accepted its findings and that the diocese would now ensure best practice in the area.
Bishop Magee made the decision to publish the report after the Department of Health, who received it last July, said they wouldn’t publish it. “I co-operated with this review and fully accept its recommendations. I am currently implementing the findings of this review,†said the bishop.
He has said he won’t be resigning over the issue.
Chief executive of One in Four Maeve Lewis said that the report was “devastating†and showed that the Church was incapable of “monitoring its own child protection regulationsâ€.
Ms Lewis added that the two complaints highlighted in the report were “the tip of the iceberg†and that they had more complaints about the disregarding of abuse complaints by the diocese.
She warned however that this attitude to child protection wasn’t confined to Cloyne and that clients in several other dioceses had encountered similar reactions from the Church.
“The Ferns report seemed to signal that the Catholic Church was prepared to follow rigorous procedures in relation to allegations of sexual abuse, and to work closely with the HSE and the gardaÃ. However, each bishop is autonomous within his own diocese and can exercise complete discretion as to how an allegation should be handled. We must wonder if other scandals are to come,†she said.
Labour TD Sean Sherlock said Bishop Magee’s response was “simply not adequate†and called on him to consider stepping down.
Fine Gael TD Alan Shatter said the report was “a damning indictment of the failure on the part of Church authorities to implement essential child protection proceduresâ€.
Minister for Children Barry Andrews has repeatedly insisted that the report was an internal Church document, and therefore not for him to publish. He says he will publish a separate HSE report into the issue.”………………:confused:
Source Breakning news.ie
“Bishop took minimal action over clerical sex abuse claims
19/12/2008 – 19:00:56
A Co Cork based Bishop took minimal action over a series of child sex abuse allegations against two of his priests, a damning report has found.The investigation by the church’s abuse watchdog also concluded that what little action was taken by Bishop of Cloyne John Magee was inappropriately delayed and responses were inadequate and dangerous.
The allegations – branded alarming by the National Board for Safeguarding Children (NBSC) – centre on two priests within the Co Cork diocese.
In a stark conclusion, the report states: “Put simply, the responses of the Diocese could be described as ill-advised, and too little, too late.â€
The first allegation, against Father A, was made by a priest in December 2004 who claimed he had been abused by another priest when he was a young boy.
Complaints were also made against a second priest, Father B, who was accused of molesting two teenage girls over a five year period, abusing a 14-year-old boy and of having a year-long sexual relationship with the boy’s mother.
“The issues that these two cases deal with are very serious,†the Church’s watchdog found.
“The potential for long lasting hurt as a result of mishandling a complaint is real.â€
The inquiry found that church meetings to deal with sex abuse claims apparently focused on the needs of the accused priest while there was no documented evidence of concern about children vulnerable to ongoing risks.
It said there appeared to be no understanding or appreciation of the nature of issues being dealt with, noting that child sex abusers do not reform easily.One Cork TD accused both the State and the Church of trying to bury the report – which was handed over to Children’s Minister Barry Andrews and the Health Service Executive in July – by releasing it on a Friday evening before Christmas.
A spokesman for the Bishop, who tonight apologised to clerical sex abuse victims, said he had no plans to resign over the report’s shocking revelations.”
Perhaps was just to busy with his Cathedral Wrecking plans….:confused::(
“It said there appeared to be no understanding or appreciation of the nature of issues being dealt with” – and where have we seen this before..:(
