reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- January 31, 2009 at 6:31 pm #772416
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Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
An engraving of St. Paul’s Basilica in Rome in the aftermath of the fire of 1829.
Of Dublin interest, some of the marble recovered from the ruins of St Paul’s was subsequently bough and used for the construction of the High Altar in of the Jesuit church of St. Francis Xavier, Gardner’s Street.
January 31, 2009 at 10:02 pm #772417Praxiteles
ParticipantPraxiteles has a little present for the liturgical gurus in Cloyne, and especially on the Cloyne HACK. This is the Missale Gregorianum, that is, the Roman Missal set to the musical tones PRESCRIBED fro every Sunday and Feastday of the year. Please note, here we are speaking of the Roman Missal of 1970 – the so-called Conciliar or New Missal. This is what Danny “I am a Liturgust” Murphy is supposted to nourish his flock on every Sunday. But I wonder how much of a shock it will be to discover that church music is not about “picking” hymns for Sunday Mass but about executing the contents of this book. Moreover, Praxiteles is looking forward to the delight of ascertaining whether or not the sacristy of Cobh Cathedral has (or ever had) a copy of this ESSENTIAL liturgical book. As we see here, the American Church Music Association has very kindly produced a version of this Missal with lots and lots and lots of translation into English -so it should not beything of a taxation on the brains of the HACK at least to look at and if some (or all) of the HACK still cannot get it, then we can apply to Cobh Urban District Council to send someone from their adult literacy programme to help them out.
February 1, 2009 at 10:59 pm #772418Praxiteles
ParticipantPraxiteles is pleased to bring to readers’ attention the following link containing a previes of a book by one Kevin Foley et al bing an introduction to the General Instruction to the Roman Missal – that famous legislative text governing the celebration of the Mass. Readers may recall that that the HACK have consistently claimed a form of juridical absolutism for Bishop Magee in matters relating to the liturgy that would have caused despots such as Joseph II or Frederick III of Prussia to blush. We have heard claims from the HACK that the bishop is absolute in his diocese and responsible to no one and to no higher institution. Of course, any sensible person can immediately see the distortions emerging from this over-exaggereated picture – except of course those in Cork COunty Council who, quite possibly, may not be sensible persons.
In order to bolster up the “broad” position, the HACK, last October, organised a Conference on liturgy and heritage. Readers may recall that the then bosom friends, Cllr. Harrington from Bantry and Bishop Magee, co-chaired the event to muh mutual admiration at that time.
The HACK imported an American canonist to tell the stupid County COuncil all about liturgical law – and, presmuably, to back up its ridiculous pèosition. His name was Kevin Seasoltz, OSB, a veteran liturgist on the road since the 1950/1960s. He did his bit but Praxiteles now believes that the HACK and Danny “I AM a liturgist” Murphy would want to read an article by Kevin Seasoltz in a recently published commentary on the General Instruction to the Roman Missal on the question of law and liturgy. Indeed, when it comes to the question of the power a bishop has to do anything about the liturgy other than to enforce liturgical discipline, it is refreshing to see that K. Seasoltz refers to this role as a “limited” role – precisely what the the FOSCC has been saying for years.
Read all about it yourself from the last paragraph of page 34 in the link below:
February 3, 2009 at 2:37 pm #772419Praxiteles
ParticipantOn reflexion, one could well wonder now who the fire-door was for!
February 3, 2009 at 8:48 pm #772420Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. James’, Spanish Place, London.
Here we have some views of this remarkable church in London which, mercifully, is totally intact down to the smallest detail and by a great providence has been saved from the hackers and the wreckers.
February 3, 2009 at 8:51 pm #772421Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. James’, Spanish Place, London
Here we have a view of the Sedilia (arranged according to the Roman Rite) which is properly maintained and evidently in use.
February 3, 2009 at 8:54 pm #772422Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. James’, Spanish Place, London.
Hre we have a view of the magnificent strapwork on the church doors. It would be good for the people in Cobh to take a close look at this photograph and see just how quality strap-work should be mainteined.
February 3, 2009 at 9:18 pm #772423samuel j
ParticipantWork going on today out road outside Church…believe it to do with testing on soil stability.
Anyone know anymore….February 3, 2009 at 10:46 pm #772424Praxiteles
ParticipantIt has to do with new down pipes installed in the Cathedral during the restoration work. These drain the water directly into the ground raher than taking it away from the artificial platform on which the Cathedral is constructed. The result, after ten years, has been a saturation of the platform with consequent destabilization. That should cost a good bit to fix!
February 4, 2009 at 9:02 am #772425samuel j
ParticipantThanks for that Prax, thought as much as had heard a whisper along time ago that changes to the drainage done during the restoration were going to come back in time and cause more problems.
I’d love to know what engineers are responsible for this as even with a limited knowledge of soil mechanics… shale and messing with drainage leads to slippage fun and games.
This all over Cobh and many new estates built in the Boom had problems with sinking foundations etc. due to incorrect and slap dash drainage. Know it cost some builders a forture to put right with major underpinning. And this is just on brand new Semi Ds…….February 5, 2009 at 10:26 am #772426Praxiteles
Participant@samuel j wrote:
Thanks for that Prax, thought as much as had heard a whisper along time ago that changes to the drainage done during the restoration were going to come back in time and cause more problems.
I’d love to know what engineers are responsible for this as even with a limited knowledge of soil mechanics… shale and messing with drainage leads to slippage fun and games.
This all over Cobh and many new estates built in the Boom had problems with sinking foundations etc. due to incorrect and slap dash drainage. Know it cost some builders a forture to put right with major underpinning. And this is just on brand new Semi Ds…….Another unhappy outcome of what looks increasingly like a botched restoration.
February 5, 2009 at 10:33 am #772427Praxiteles
ParticipantJust heard that fire has caused extensive damage to the roof and attic of the Cathedral of the Holy Name in Chicago. Investigation of the extent of the damage is underway.
February 5, 2009 at 6:24 pm #772428Praxiteles
ParticipantPraxiteles has been busy studying stained glass and came acorss this incredible on-line, free, magazine all about stained glass. It is called Vidimus and may be accessed at:
February 5, 2009 at 6:31 pm #772429Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd then there is this, the on-line data bank of Corpus Vitrearum Medii Aevi which is magnificent. Hopefully, David Lawrence’s work can similarly be made generally accessible.
February 5, 2009 at 10:20 pm #772430Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Corpus Vetrearum Project
http://www.international.icomos.org/publications/93stainintro2.pdf
February 5, 2009 at 10:52 pm #772431Praxiteles
ParticipantSome photographs of this morning’s fire athe Holy name Cathedral from the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/religion/chi-090204-holy-name-fire,0,7585201.photogallery
February 5, 2009 at 11:07 pm #772432Praxiteles
ParticipantA further view of the fire at the Cathedral of the Holy Name in Chicago:
February 6, 2009 at 11:16 pm #772433Praxiteles
ParticipantIt looks as though the fire at teh Cathedral of the Holy Name in Chicago was casued by a defective de-icing system laid along the gutters to keep them from freezing over.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-holyname-06-feb06,0,5779817.story
It is very surprising the the cleric whose comments are reported at the end of the artocle only discovered last night that Santa Agatha’s feast day was yesterday and that she is invoked against fire! peculiar that he had not noticed that while attending to the morning offices of the Breviarium Romanum, the martyriologon in the Roman Martyrology or even in yesterday’s hagiographical notice in the Legenda Aurea – the Golden Legend. And, as an aside, h might want to take a look at the fate of Quintin, her persecutor, before making smart comments about her taumaturgical qualities in the face of danger from fire – both of which are explained in the Golden Legend. Just what do these people do or read all day?
February 6, 2009 at 11:25 pm #772434Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd, of course, had the same cleric been in Catania yesterday, or indeed in any part of Sicily, he could not have missed the Cappezzoli di Sant’Agata which are specially made in her honour on 5 February and refer to one of the tortures she endured during her martyrdom.
February 6, 2009 at 11:33 pm #772435Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here we have a miniature of the martyrdom of Sant’Agatha by the Raoul d’Ailly Master from c. 1420.
The importance of the cult of St Agatha who was amrtyred in the Decian persecution c. 250 can be seen from the inclusion of her name in the dyptich of saints contained in the Roman Canon (or First Eucharistic Prayer as it is now drably referred to) of the Mass.
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