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That section of PDF, makes interesting and worrying reading.
What planet are these lads living on…… I love the use of misleading the public:eek:Who was misleading who again…… ah now lads, wake up and smell the coffee, will ye for godsake… 🙁
Fair bit of denial and delusion going on if you ask me…:mad:
@Praxiteles wrote:
Well, it is that time of year once again – time to make annual returns to the Companies Registration Office. And being the good little boys they are, the Cobh Cathedral Restoration Fund and the Cobh Cathedral Trust duly and punctually handed in their sums books to the head master this year.
Some interesting first headliners:
a. no new directors have been appointed in the last 12 months. This comes as no surprise – especialy as no respectable business man in the Cok area with a modicum of PR savy would want to have anything to do with this particular company and with the “glory” in which it has covered itself;b. this company must have the oldest set of directors in the WORLD – you will notice that one is 88, another is 79, another is 77, another is 73 and so on.
c. funds transferred tot he reserve fund barely reached Euro 8K – interesting.
d. most income is generated from bank interest.
e. at present roughly about 1, 110, 000 Euro is on hand.
g. pecularily, we learn that there has been a shift away from “restoration” to “maintenance” – no doubt urged on the the collapse of portion of the south arcade;
h. funds are now going to be raised for completion of the “restoration” – I wonder does that mean a funds are now t be raised to attempt another wreck job on the sanctuary?
As soon as Praxiteles can conduct a thorough analysis, we shall have more interesting observations. In the mean time, happy reading!
One would have to wonder how the Investment figure is arrived at…. presumably as with everything else in the current market, pensions etc…it has taken quite a hammering. . There would appear to have been some move too from a Charicash investment account to a Standard.? Investment Account…?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/1020/1224454388458.html
Dr Cavanagh.said it was particularly disappointing to see Cobh at the bottom of the league, as it was a harbour town welcoming about 70,000 tourists from visiting luxury cruise liners every summer.
“Greeting tourists with litter and weeds creates a very poor first impression of Ireland”, he said. “It is all the more disappointing as Cobh, with its beautiful setting, has enormous potential.”
And an awful lot of them head straight to the Cathedral when they arrive…wonder what impression they get about the current state of its maintenance and lack of pride..the current caretakers seem to have for this gem in their charge.
@tomahawk wrote:
The silent majority do not view it as destruction!
And what would they class the current state of St.Colman’s with crumbling plasterwork, water ingress all over the place and the doors… to name few. Would the lack of any planned maintenance program and the utter waste of Joe Publics donations on advisors fees while not a tin of varnish is bought for the doors, as anything else but destruction.
We can beat around the bush forever as to wonderful plans and spend months (years at this stage) arguing points from whatever side of the fence you’re on….but while this is all going on, the place is falling to bits and nothing is being done.
Is this some sort of stuborn attempt to get back at the people of Cobh becasue the re-ordering was stopped…. it certainly starting to reek of it and does seem to hint of a contempt for the people who willingly donated so much…
I assume you are pro – ordering and if that be so, fair enough you are entitled to your views but the ‘silent majority’ as you call it would want to get moving and come out in the open with any new plans or you’ll have nothing to reorder. We are approaching another winter and had one of the wetttest summers on record…god only knows what the state of water damage is by now and what lies in wait to show itself…
Whatever side of the fence one is on can we not agree that the structure itself is crying out for some tlc.
apelles here is a link to RTEs nationwide site where you can see it again
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1006/nationwide_av.html?2432258,null,228
On RTEs Nationwide a very interesting piece this evening on Limericks based hodskinson eccelestical decorators, 3 generations in this work. Current lad described the pain his father wnet through when asked to paint over some of his father stunning stencil work…
@tomahawk wrote:
Bishop Magee as Bishop of Cloyne if so you have cut a very large rod for your back in that you have set a precedent for disloyalty from his priests and disunity in general. .
Should this not read “Bishop Magee of Bishop of Cloyne has cut a very large rod for his back in that he has set a precedent for disloyalty from his priests and disunity in general”
I would echo Gianlorenzos point “I cannot imagine who you have been speaking to, if you get the impression that there is a ‘silent majority in favour of this destruction.” With respect I fear you may have been talking to a very select group of YES MEN as I have spoken/discussed with many and I must say it always came out as a silent minority were in favour.
Heads are still in the sand I fear as this is not what the people want or ever wanted. Restoration of St.Colmans not anything else and thats what they/like I thought we were donating to…….
Take a look at St. Colman’s now….. a disgrace…. and all OUR money wasted………:mad:
They still Cobh UDC to most in cobh or at least those the wrong side of 40…. LOL
You ask anyone in the street and they’ll say ‘oh thats the councils job ‘ and guarantee you most are not even aware of the Cobh Town Council title… just the way it is in small towns….. LOLA film called ‘The Eclipse” is about to begin shooting in Cobh, written/directed by Conor McPherson…. Cobh, Fota and in particular St Colmans will be featured… hope someone puts a drop of varnish and hammerite on the doors before then
Anyone know or hear what latest cunning plan is for St.Colmans , the taped off area where the crumbling plasterwork has been removed and replaced by high green netting above the congregation to catch the falling plaster. Is it still with ‘consultants’ or is there some plan…. hope the consultants or advisors mention a bit of sandpapering and varnish as the doors still not done..:confused:
@ake wrote:
I haven’t been there, but about a year ago I came across this video on youtube, criticising what the OPW have done here;
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GpXgBveqnjY
It’s inevitable when the whole approach is geared towards tourism; any conservation programme that admits any motive of tourist dollars is immediately a danger to heritage. Heritage is not a commodity (should not be) and no justification, like ‘tourism for the economy’ is required for spending money on conservation, if the heritage has any value of itself in the first place.
St. Colmans despite the best efforts of its keepers not to spend a button on it, is Cobhs biggest Tourist attraction. Amazing to the see the numbers in and out, all times of the year, clicking away… guess we’ll have a good worldwide photographic record of its crumbling……oh the shame….:confused:
@Rhabanus wrote:
Very sad, indeed. What an indictment of a generation! Particularly when one takes into account the limited financial resources enjoyed by Catholics when Pugin first designed and executed the project. Clearly the Celtic Tiger has no interest in the Catholic Faith or even in the cultural patrimony of a people.
A new generation will discover the buried treasure. Let’s hope some of it will last until then.
In the case of Cobh, I think there was and is a huge interest, which was backed up by the numerous donations made to the so called ‘Restoration’ but I believe the fault squarely lies with those who spent these funds and still control whatever minute portion is leftover, post the various professional advisers fees etc…:mad:
I would share your feeling that a new generation will and even are discovering the Treasure of St.Colman’s
but the clock is ticking and still no work being done….. are we to approach another Cork Harbour winter with still nothing done…:confused:@Praxiteles wrote:
From what we hear from Cobh, the great rush to restoration of the collapsing Cathedral has yet again come to nothing. Despite noises of all sorts, it seems that nothing concrete is to be had from the Restoration Committee. I once again reiterate my call for the resignation of this wholly incompetent and useless body. If they do not go, then we shall have to arrange to have them sent packing! After more than four years of complaint, this group cannot even manage to put a coat of paint on the external doors.
Besides squandering money nothing has been done and if anything the condition of the structure is even worse. Go for gods sake and let some element of professionalism get the place ship shape..:(
“There is nothing worth living for but Christian architecture and a boat.”
-Augustus Welby Northmore PuginHa, ha , excellent ,…..:D
@Praxiteles wrote:
Indeed, Cornerstone Construction, from their web page, seems to be the ones whose services are most needed in Cobh Cathedral – they seem to know all about leaking (new) roofs and decaying stonework. They did quite a bit of work in Monkstown, and in the Town Hall in Cobh, and in Castlehyde and elsewhere in Cork. So……
Lets hope they get on the job soon, was there yesterday and place looking terrible. The outside looking very shabby and the dreaded green growth worse than ever.
What does the world think of us at all…. every week literally hundreds visit St. Colmans, must be the most photographed building in County Cork…. what must they think….:o@descamps wrote:
Monday’s meeting of Cobh Town Council brought to light some developments on the Cathedral saga. Replying to questions on the works now going on in the Cathedral, Town Council officials confirmed that they had received a letter from the Church authorities saying that the services of architect Professor Cathal O’Neill had been dispensed with. A local firm of architects have been hired by the Steering committee to look at the maintenance questions facing the Cathedral fabric.
Weehee……:D
At least 500, some had travelled from as far as Dublin to attend, with comment we were so lucky to have it being held at St.Colmans. Shame to see council council/roadside type of tape fencing off area where plaster is crumbling.
Did anyone notice a distinct lack of other clergy in attendance….or any of the Sisters… I didn’t spot one Nun…..
A few people remarked same that they too thought/found it strange that there did not appear to be much support from any other local priests or nuns.
@ake wrote:
but what is this item? you say it is a ‘unit’ with a sink in it? behind the altar? a sink behind the altar? how has it been ‘attached’ to the wall?
They really are just determined aren’t they, to mess around with the cathedral.
Perhaps someone should be liable for prosecution for violating planning LAWS.
Are they just out to antagonise their parishioners or what..:(.. they’ve lost the plot entirely.:confused:
Anyone hear or know if the Consultants have come up with anything yet on the plaster falling etc. at St.Colmans..?
@Praxiteles wrote:
The latest from Cobh has it that more masonry has been falling from the South aisle. Still nothing is happening.
Quoting from your link :http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/01/cobh-…dral/#comments
“St. Colman’s Society for Catholic Liturgy is pleased to announce that the Most Reverend John Magee, Bishop of Cloyne, will celebrate Holy Mass according to the extraordinary form in St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork, on Easter Tuesday, 25 March 2008. All are welcome. Further details will shortly be available”.
They should add the line, “Hard hats and steel toe capped boots, will be available for a small cover charge at the entrance, contact the usher located by peeling/rusty doors on your arrival”
