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@Praxiteles wrote:
Well as the man himself said to the ship’s captain in the storm: Caesarem vehis Caesarisque fortunam
Very apt….. like it…
@Rhabanus wrote:
I think the psychological term for it is “passive-aggressive behaviour.” ‘Tis an ill bird that befouls its own nest.
And perhaps a little bit of :
Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem!
@Fearg wrote:
Its enough to make me want to go down there with a tin of hamerite myself!
At least the original ironwork is still there – on one of the side doors in Derry, it was replaced with some fake victoriana picked up at the local DIY store!Unlike some famous Paint Manufactruers advertisements…
The Collection Can in St. Colmans
DOES NOT DO AS IT SAYS ON THE TIN………..
@Praxiteles wrote:
And here is a close up of one of the main West doors giving some idea of the disintegration of the wrought iron strap work
With the Salt Air and continous gales we’ve been having, if something isn’t done soon there will be little wrought iron left and/or the finer detail will be rusted away
Has the Bishop gone into some form of a sulk seeing the ‘people’ spoke and would not let him get away with destroying the inside…… is this some form of silent protest by him to let St.Colmans rot…. if so it makes a mockery of collections for the restoration if not a penny is being spent on maintenance….
“What is all that trash atop the altar in the ‘chapel’ of the Blessed Sacrament? It looks like a heap of dead flower stalks”
Joss sticks after the Restoration Committees final planning meeting…….
“And that is how liturgical dance came to the Emerald Isle.
Care to share your favourite recollections of The Liturgical Movement in dear old Erin?”ah now don’t start me on the singing priest 70s/80s phenomenon
.. I dont want to wake up tonight with cringe nightmares watching Michael Cleary and Brian Darcy on the Late Late Show….oh no not going down in that abyss..@Praxiteles wrote:
Once you move out of the category of wrecked Cathedrals in Ireland, St. Savour’s in Dublin is undoubtedly one of the VERY VERY VERY worst examples of sheer gratitutious iconoclastic vandalism – all perpetrated by Austin Flannery.
Plenty room now for “squatting on the floor” for Taize Masses and that kind of Jazz…. as once described to me by a wise owl….
Flannery et al must have been squatting, smoking some dodgy substances and have been in a psychedelic trance not to see the vandanism they were committing.
@jungle wrote:
Where I could see a service working is linking Cobh to Ringaskiddy.
Since, I have some knowledge of Rotterdam, I’ll make one comparison. The fast ferry from Rotterdam to Dordrecht serves a number of towns and villages that don’t have or have a very poor public transport connection to the two towns. You could travel Dordrecht-Rotterdam much faster by train and I wonder if anyone uses the service for the entire trip.
Unfortunately, a route up from the Lower Harbour is essentially duplicating one of the best served public transport routes in Cork. Perhaps if it stuck to stops on the west bank (with a possible exception for Little Island), it might be more viable.
But, I could still see a situation where you could feed passengers from the various Lower Harbour towns onto the train at Cobh for further connections, while providing a previously unavailable connectivity in the Lower Harbour.
To be honest I do not see it as being viable at all. You are right it is competing with the existing train (which has improved greatly since I was a lad). At peak time the train is jammed so additional rolling stock should and hopefully will be the way forward there and perhaps the additiion of Midleton etc. will help investment in rolling stock. It is also a much more efficient fuel wise per bums on seats method.
High speed water craft water jet or are expensive for no. of bums on seats…
One still has to get around the problem of getting punters to use it…. as against their cars and problem with a cobh ringaskiddy is that the numerous personnel heading say to the various plants in Ring each day is that the plants are wll spead, so a regular shuttle bus would have to be there.
Many people now use and car share form Cobh to Ring using the crossrover ferry… which good but does
again emphasise the snag on other end of plants there spread well apart.@Angry Rebel wrote:
The biggest cost is the boats. Couple of mil each believe it or not. The landing points aren’t cheap, you’re right.
There is no exemption at the moment for the proposed service.
What you say about the wash is correct, but I reckon the main reason is a safety thing, both in terms of room to maneuvre around the channel if a ship was coming down, and more importantly (as they’re tough to spot sometimes) is the rowers.
Twin diesels with Water Jet Propulsion is the way most others have gone. Give high manoeuvibility
and low wash.
With Ringaskiddy the future port so to speak, upriver commercial traffic will be well down but you will probably have down the line more leisure/sport users.By the way it 6 knots by East Ferry…. but as any boat user there will tell you its a joke and as no one polices it
and 50% of users ignore it much to the annoyance of all with live there ….@Angry Rebel wrote:
The feasibilty study looked at a boat capable of 26 knots, but it’s irrelevant to a degree as there is a 6 knot limit from blackrock castle to the city centre.
The biggest issue is that the demand is not sufficient to make the service viable (ie. cover the costs of the boat and setup, and turn some sort of profit). If the train was not there, it would probably be a goer, but unfortunately the train is cheap, fast (relatively) and frequent (also relatively!).
Despite my love of things maritime, I think you are right.
Theoretically it could be done and the Blackrock upriver speed limtit could be got around depending on the right design. However the right design with the right propulsion system are not cheap.Where I fear the biggest cost would be the initial cost of putting safe and usable landing points, marine structure/piers do not come cheap…. and would ahve to have correct parking facilities for punters
to leave their cars etc.@jungle wrote:
I was under the impression that the Harbour had a very slow speed limit?
At the moment just a few areas have an actual speed limit which is 6 knots
6 knots from Blackrock Castle to City – I understand this is primarily as a safety measure as many rowing gigs
can be / are in this area and ships/tugs would create a large wash endangering small craft.
However in the case of high speed craft of say waterbus design, they do not necessarily create a wash that
causes such a comparbale danger. It is very much down to the design of the waterbus and/or its propulsion system. There are many semi-planing craft that actually make worse wash when staying below 6 knots as they are inclined to dig their sterns in at low speeds and create drag/large wash.So if done correctly tand with co-operation of the respective authorities, there is no reason, why a vessel of the right design could not be exempt for the 6 knot Blackrock-City limit without endangering small craft.
Look at Hamburg, Rotterdam, London, New York, Syndey….. they all have viable systems in place.Just in case anyone is interested the only other two areas of the hardbour that have a 6 knots limit
are entrance to Crosshaven and upriver of same and Marlogue Point/East Ferry and upriver to roughly Bagwell Hill.@jungle wrote:
The article is a little disjointed, but raises some interesting points. The river bus would be welcome, but I feel it would be better connecting people onto the train at Cobh and not bothering to come up above Monkstown. It would take a very long time to get from the Lower Harbour to Cork by boat.
Good to see that someone is discussing the whole Kent Station shambles too.
It would take a very long time to get from the Lower Harbour to Cork by boat.
Not if the operator get the right craft…. there is a vast choice of waterbuses out there on the market with most modern designs giving good speed. no reason it could not be a 35-45 minute journey if the correct craft is chosen, which is ending right in the city would be good.
Lets just hope the feasibility study is not left to a land lubber who comes up with some clapped out slow boat to China type of craft…..
@Praxiteles wrote:
This is what has happened to the sedilia in St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
The sedilia is used for the priest clebrant of the Mass. It is situated in the Southn screen of the sanctuary, opposite the throne, and is raised on two steps. The sedilia is flanked by two other seats, one for the deacon, the other for the subdeacon. The arrangement is according to the Roman Rite: i.e. the priest sits in the middle with the deacon on his right and the sub-daecon on his left. The places are clearly marked by the carved panels on the screen above them.
The sedilia is in the form of a classical fald-stool which was taken by the Roman Pro-Consuls on their missions outside of Rome and indicated thier jurisdiction and authority when they sat in judgement.
The last administrator of the Cathedral, Fr. Gerry Casey, present PP of Doneraile, hit on the bright idea of taking the sedilia from the screen, nailing a brass band on to the back of it and using it as a seat for the someone presiding at Mass. The gap left in the original position of the Sedilia was filled by a WIlliam IV dining chair brought from the sacristy and re-upholstered to give the impression taht it had always been where it now is: the punters won’t notice sort of attitude.
How this vandalism goes on without the intervention of the Trustees of the Cathedral or that of the Cobh Urban District COuncil is just stunning!
What kind of a muppet did this….. being a seafarer always love to see a bit of brass used wisely…as its not cheap/ even a band…but this….stupid…. what was the man thinking….he has destroyed the Sedilia…
Is this more of the mentaility of lets get closer to the congregation gimmickery…. the congregation are and have been quite happy where they are thank you very much…INEFFABILIS DEUS – Was thinking that was my weekend shot to … thank god for the web and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ineffabilis_DeusHistoria est vitae magistra….
One snag with Ex cathedra is that the odd Bishop thinks it applies to him too……
@Rhabanus wrote:
ROAST his phylacteries, along with his other perishables. Then display his shortcomings on the facade of his palace!
The word “phylactery” derived from the Greek phylakterion also known by the Aramaic word tefillin, is the name given in rabbinic sources to two black leather boxes containing scriptural passages which are worn on the forehead and left arm
Aramaic word tefillin – sounds like how they pronounce TEFLON in some parts of Cork…..
Maybe they are right as nothing seems to stick to this Bishop…when it comes to accountibilty….
@ake wrote:
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Sacred Jesus!!!!!!! How could that be?!!! Makes me sick.sick sick sick. That must have been the finest church in Dublin. If only somebody could be punished.Now i hope thread readers can understand why so many (practising Catholics, non practising, non Catholics, all walks of like)are not willing to go along with Bishop Magoo and Denis the Menace in their madcap plans for St. Colmans
@Praxiteles wrote:
I am in perfect agreement that these people must have a just and proper settlement. All I was pointing out was that they were unlikely to advance that objective by having the bold bishop plead their cause.
And thats the reality of it, his intervention if anything will antagonise many in business…… there was time in Ireland when interventioin of a Bishop would have been feared by many but those days are long gone and he will only open himself up to ridicule…..
Get your own house in order before you dare comment on others…. I have heard mentioned already…..
Be it on his own head……
@Rhabanus wrote:
The plight of the families affected clearly must be redressed and full moral pressure brought to bear to convince the company to render them a proper settlement. Nevertheless, one may well question the choice of arbiters in this case..
Fully agree pressure should be brought to bear on Greencore but willingness of Magoo to get involved
could well be used down the line as an excuse for a man so busy with the plight of his parishioners , he had little time left for trivial matters like the organising of sanding and varnishing of the cathedral doors.Does create a convenient diversion for his talents……. meanwhile it is still not answered how he intends
to pay for the 200k or so wasted on his church plans….Meanwhile no money is spent on maintenance…..as presumably no money left….
