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  • #772336
    Praxiteles
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    Speaking of Baptisteries, Praxiteles was recently sent these photographs of the Baptistery in Cobh Cathedral. They say quite a lot about the professionalism of the persons involved in the works currently being carried out to the doors and screes on the west side of the Cathedralc – to nothing of the respect they display for the building itself.

    In the porch of the Cathedral, the following notice is displayed. Can anyone interprete its meaning?

    Please note that those responsible for these works are; Chris Southgate of TKB and Associates; P. J. Hagerty and Sons -from whom one would have expected better; and a Cobh group called Cornerstone Construction.

    #772337
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    Among tehe works being carried out at present in Cobh has been the removal of the metal strap work from the Baptistery door in the west facade. This is the state of that door as of December 2008. It appears that “repair” work is being carried out by a ferrier from Lismore called Twigg.

    #772338
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    However, the professionalism with which this work has been carried out may be guaged from the the following pictures which show the lazy abandonment of scaffolding in the Baptistery. As you can see,. it has been just dumped against the door itself and against the walls – with what effects on the Portland stone we just cannot imagine. Most laughable of all is the door itself. Having removed the strapwork and opened some 40-50 holes in the timber and the “restorers”, quite clearly, had not previously worked out a system to protect the unfortunate congregation from the bitter wind gusting around the Cathedral for the past few months. However, the locals have taken matters into their own hands and solved the problem by inserting newspaper into the holes. Could we say that the protection procedures employed in this operation have been less than effective or perhaps even dangerous in this case? I do notice that no safety measures have been put in place with regard to pprotecting the public from that scaffolding falling on someone or some chile climbing onto it.

    #772339
    Praxiteles
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    St Lachteen’s Church, Donoughmore, Co. Cork

    Here we have some more views of the interior of this misfit of a thing designed by McCarthy and Lynch of John “I should have been a liturgist” Lynch fame:

    Here we have the view of the sanctuary from the main entrance and of the entrance from the sanctuary.

    #772340
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    St Lachteen’s Donoughmore, Co. Cork

    A view of the liturgical south and north internal elevations:

    A pathetic outsized bungalow!

    #772341
    Praxiteles
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    A note on Nathaniel Westlake (1833-1921), a pre-Raphelite specalist responsible for the Stations of the Cross in Maynooth College Chapel and for the copies of the series in St. Colman’s College Chapel, Fermoy (built in memory of the writer Canon Sheehan of Doneraile) and in the Chapel of the South Infirmary in Cork City (built by the Countess Murphy yet again of the family that built Sts Peter and Paul’s in Cork and St John the Baptist’s in Kinsale)..

    Below is an example of from the Maynooth set of Stations of the Cross which was comissioned by Robert Browne in the last phase of the decoration of the chapel’s interior and shortly before his appointment as Bishop of Cloyne (1894-1935) and his commencement of the interior decoration of Cobh Cathedral.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavers,_Barraud_and_Westlake

    #772342
    Praxiteles
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    1. THE CORK COUNTY COUNCIL PLANNING DEPT. CHRISTMAS BONANZA

    The Results:

    On December 1, 2008, Praxiteles posted the following:

    Also worth keeping an eye on is a planning application in relation to the Church of the Nativity at Ballyhooly by Pugin and Ashlin (1869) for changes to the interior roofing and porches. A further information response was made to Cork County Council on 9 November 2008 – all in time, no doubt, for a stocking filler coming up to Christmas!

    The planning register no. here is Cork County Council no. 08/7602.

    And so it came to pass, Santa Claus came rather early:

    Conditionl permission has been granted for this development on 9 December 200. We shall take a closer look at this in due course and bring you the “consodered” results of the Cork County Council’s Conservation and Planning Departments.

    #772343
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    2. THE CORK COUNTY COUNCIL PLANNING DEPT. CHRISTMAS BONANZA

    The Results:

    On December 1, 2008, Praxiteles posted the following:

    And another application to Cork County Council forthe construction of a “storage space” to the rear of St. Peter and Paul’s Church, Dromina Charleville, for unspecififed substances whose use in a rural parish did not seem to call for large storage spaces and whose consumption in the context of declining population remains unexplained. A Further Information Request fromt he County Council was replied to on 6 November 2008 – obviously in an effort not to meet the Christmas bonanza!

    The planning register no. is Cork County Council 08/8683

    Bingo!!! Another visit here from Santa Claus in the Cork County Council Planning Department just before Christmas with a complete gramnt of permission to ad a monster to the rear of the church.

    Details to follow.

    #772344
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    3. THE CORK COUNTY COUNCIL PLANNING DEPT. CHRISTMAS BONANZA

    The Results:

    On December 1, 2008, Praxiteles posted the following:

    2. THE CORK COUNTY COUNCIL PLANNING DEPT. CHRISTMAS BONANZA

    The Results:

    On December 1, 2008, Praxiteles posted the following:

    And another application to Cork County Council for the construction of “storage space” ath the rear of theparish church at Newtown Shandrum, Charleville, Co. Cork – again for unknowna nd unspecified substances whose consumption in large quantities in a rural parish did not seem to arise and whose consumption in the context of declining population seem all the more curious. A further information letter is currently out on this – it appears that Cork County Council manages to garner enough energy to ask what the storage space is intended for. The reply is not back yet and it looks as though time is running out for this one to avail of the Christmas bonanza!

    The planning register no. is Cork County Council 08/8780.

    On this one Santa must have gotten stuck in the chimney or else the party time overtook the Christmas Bonanza Rush for a a request for further information (of all things!) was asked for and clearly had not arrived on time for the Christmas Sale of the Century.

    #772345
    Praxiteles
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    And some photographs of the Mass celebrated this morning (11 January 2009) by the Pope in the Sixtine Chapel. When the Pope stands at the High Altar of the Chapel, once again we see the action taking place at the lowest level of the great ensemble of Michalangelo’s Last Judgement which goes through Christ Crucified to Christ Glorified and coming to judge the living and the dead, but mitigated in his judgement by the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary on his right and of St. John the Baptist on his left. This is how the iconographic scheme of the Sixtine Chapel is supposed to work and, as we see, it is (and could not be more) perfectly conform to the present liturgical norms:

    #772346
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    Nathaniel Westlake’s published an important book A History of design in Painted Glass on stained glass iconography – a history of stained glass design in the principal countries of Western Europe from the earliest times to the seventeenth century, illustrated by accurate black and white linear drawings and offering interesting suggestions about individual windows’ dating and iconography. Westlake (1833-1921), the scholarly head of a firm of stained glass manufacturers, belonged to the circle of artists and designers patronised by John, 3rd Marquess of Bute, who was himself keenly interested in Christian art of the middle ages, and each volume was consequently dedicated by him to the 3rd Marquess.

    #772347
    Praxiteles
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    A note on John Patrick Crichton-Stuart, 3rd Marquess of Bute:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Crichton-Stuart,_3rd_Marquess_of_Bute

    and on Mount Stuart on the Isle of Bute

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Stuart_House

    and on Mount Stuart

    http://www.mountstuart.com/Exploring/The_House/The_Horoscope_Room/

    The private Chapel at Mount Stuart

    http://www.mountstuart.com/Exploring/The_House/The_Marble_Chapel/

    The Burges Chapel at Mount Stuart

    http://www.mountstuart.com/Exploring/The_House/The_Burges_Chapel/

    In addition to Mount Stuart and its chapels, the 3rd Marquess built the Cathedral of Oban for the diocese of Argyll and the Isles.

    #772348
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork

    Here we have an external view of the Baptistery door from whil all the iron strap work by Fagan’s of Dublin has been stripped. Will it all return, Praxitiles wonders and in in what condition?

    #772349
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    In connection with the upcoming 150 anniversary of the foundation of Sts Peter and Paul’s in Cork City, Praxiteles was sent a photo of a recent watercolour of the interior of the church by Roisin O’Shea:

    #772350
    samuel j
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    “watercolour of the interior of the church by Roisin O’Shea” -magnificent, the detail is fantastic, well done Roisin:)

    #772351
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    St. Lachteen’s Church, Donoughmore, Co. Cork

    Here we have an external shot of an elevation of McCarthy and Lynch’s “triumph” of modernist super-bungalow architecture in the wilds of rural Cork in what was clearly an effort to bring Le Corbusier au peuple.

    Really, a smashing piece of sub-Leonardine genius !

    #772352
    samuel j
    Participant

    Still reckon it would make a nice Fire Station cum Handball alley:D

    #772353
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    Just look again: it’s only an oversized chimney on a rather large bungalow !

    #772354
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    Of course one of the absolutely disasytrous things about this piece of junk is that the grave stones that were originally inside the gate oft he 1832 church are now quite literally on the side of the road and McCarthy/Lynch sees no difficluty with that.

    Again, the 1850 flat grave-slab of priest (aged 37) who died having contracted famine feaver from famine victims he was ministering to was discovered under the modern floor of the 1832 church. Being the uncivilized barbarians that McCarthy and Lynch were, they removed the grave slab from where it was and, in what can only be described as a piece of tight-minded house-keping, placed it in the row of grave-stone now on the side of the street ensuring that an inscription which had never been exposed to elements for over 150 will very quickly disappear. As for the grave of the priest concerned, the mean minded McCarthy and Lynch “marked” it with a pretty cheap piece of brass about the size of a fa-box. Just what do you have to do to acquire the status of a hero with the likes of McCarthy and Lynch? Demolish and wreck as much as you can of what little we have of an ecclesiastical patrimony?

    #772355
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Just look again: it’s only an oversized chimney on a rather large bungalow !

    And of course, a modern church can have no other setting than a grey and dingie car-park.

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