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I think its a good property although restricted to comparison retail by covenent.The site backs onto the town carpark and this is where I would see the real value.

I think if one was to allow for the definate IAWs n Horgan Quay properties you are probably closer to 6bn but then again if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.
2 things, there seems to be a lot of activity around the Sun Beam site CO Richard Rainey, :confused: n CAN SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME WHO BOUGHT THE TESCOS SITE IN MIDLETON!

I think it would be interesting to see the exact level of development either underconstruction in planning or about to be lodged in cork city.Any one interested?
I can just see the Head Line 3bn investment for cork city,That may even make the front page of The Times…

@Pug wrote:

lex

re the werdna refusal, never seen your words so animated, just shows how ticked off you are It’s a bizarre situation to have talks all the way along with the developers and then sort of kind of half-refuse, it seems to be pure politics. . Its like they seem to think that they have to be seen to refuse, then they pretend to make a fuss about it and eventually will grant permission after people point out how stupid their decisions are. Its about time the whole planning process was utterly revamped although with Dick Roche as minister, there isnt a hope in hell of a logical decision happening. Then you have Frinailla getting refused planning in Watercourse Rd but Joe Gavin can step in then and single handedly sort it for them.

I was in talks with a planner about a site and made all the required changes and then when i put in the application with all the changes that had been discussed with the planner to my utter astonishment it was refused. What was the point in my investing time money and energy and all I was doing was keeping the planner happy? I got the permission after logging and diarising the meetings and proving I had made the changes AT THEIR REQUEST. Idiotic.

Whats frustrating is that Cork is of a size that has SO much potential, We need a concert venue, the showgrounds needs a revamp and the fact that you STILL cant get public transport after 11.15 at night is hilarious.

Frinailla have been granted a permission on Watercourse Rd.by way of condition .The planner recommended refusal,however rather than refusing the descision Jim o Donavan recommended a grant allowing for reductions in numbers as indicated by Fiona McSharry.The Frinailla application is a completely different situation to water st,and pug lest we forget they too started out with 300 units and ended up with 147.

A bright light of hope extinguished for a very dull but potentially beutiful part of cork city.I have often felt that Dublin got where it is becase it is the capital and in turn the political powerhouse of Ireland.We have the talent but we do not have the clout.

Cork needs new blood in the city and county if this does not happen durring the current economic environment nothing will happen in Cork however the capital will continue to prosper.

In one word disgraceful!

Lets hope Ronnie Mcdowell uses his incredible powers of COMPROMISE!

RM. I think on this occasion the architects in question should take that as a compliment.

Well the 1st appeal to Frinaillas Ladies Well project is in from Mary Dunne whom it appears is pro development however she is concerned about the “Diminution” of the value of property in the area??? 😡

Ohh n one other thing check out http://www.niallmclaughlin.com this is one talented architect.

Re:Development at Water St.Very impressive design and the developers in this instance have the cash to spec it properly. I have a previous knowledge of this property it has character,sunshine and waterfrontage which in conjunction with the interesting design by maol will set another important milestone in corks design progress.
It’s just a shame that the powers that be are ending the Urban Renewal schemes when the tide is rising in cork.
Any news on the city car park i.e Kennys.Nice site.

@lexington wrote:

Well there you have it – it’s official!

You may remember that way back I reported that a Limerick-based developer had been in talks with Ward Anderson about purchasing the Capitol Cineplex for a retail development, well now it’s public and Mount Kennett Investments (John Costello and Paul O’Brien) are the buyers indeed.

Ward Anderson had been maintaining talks with CCC about seeking planning permission on a redevelopment of the site – which they then would sell with F.P.P. ~ however Mr. Costello’s persistence evidently paid off. Although I was aware that the deal had been struck, I was unaware until last night that planning would be sought so soon. And yes, planning is being sought.

The development is scaled down from original plans by the developer (other developers, 1 other Limerick-based group ~ I may have mentioned much earlier, had very exciting plans for the site, but eventually dropped out of the run). The development will now see the Capitol demolished and redeveloped as a 33,000sq ft department store with 18 overhead apartments (I don’t like the idea of apartments at this location!) . The design is by Sabine Wittman of Dungarvan practice e-Project ~ and quite frankly, the application design is sub-par and undeserving of the superb location. I’m disappointed at the lazy route taken by the developers and design team in the end. The boxy and incoherrent roof-line is ugly and unkempt. It reminds me of the St. Patrick’s Quay frontage of the Metropole Hotel (that horrible lemon box with even uglier roof-top box). Some of the other competing proposals (OCP for the record pulled out of talks in late 2004) had a far greater degree of panache – this is a very poor effort. But I’ll let you decide – I don’t have any clear images of the final design yet, so in fairness to Tommy Barker, well done for getting this image. I should have better images come a couple of weeks.

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Also, today is a big decision day for some major Cork projects – fingers crossed for Frinailla and Mary Collins’ projects!

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Bargain basement!