Look at de state of Cork, like!
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- April 14, 2005 at 11:10 pm #733522
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ParticipantExactly as I suspected if its good enough for Limerick its good enough for cork.Enter R Mc D hopefully!Here comes the pain,lets hope the master referee sorts this out as I have said before this is a very important point in corks historic core.
April 14, 2005 at 11:15 pm #733523rodger
ParticipantOhh n one other thing check out http://www.niallmclaughlin.com this is one talented architect.
April 15, 2005 at 12:02 am #733524lexington
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Michael O’Donoghue of Rockfell InvestmentsYou may remember a few months ago that I post Rockfell Investments (a development SPV set up by Michael O’Donoghue of the O’Donoghue/Ring Hotel Group and Munster Joinery) based at Lacka Cross intended to start work on their Cornmarket Street development for April. The development which received the greenlight in October 2004 was subject to substantial revisions by architect Niall Coffey (w/ Frank Ennis & Associates) and in the end was approved with 65 apartments, 66 basement parking spaces and over 120,000sq ft of retail over 9 units at the former Musgrave (Guy & Co.) building, Noddy’s Toystore and former Paul Street church – however things have been stalled ever since the developer was approached by O’Callaghan Properties (OCP) MD Owen O’Callaghan. It would seem, OCP are very protective of their retail provision dominance in the Cork city area. Besides OCP, the only real threat to this crown is from the Shipton Group (Clayton Love Jnr’s vehicle) and to a lesser extent, O’Flynn Construction. Talks were initiated about a possible joint venture in the Cornmarket Street development – despite OCP having its own ambitions set on the 150m euro retail/residential building planned for a 0.6acre block at Academy Street (an application is still set for this summer). There remains a projected demand of some 400,000sq ft of city centre retail space in Cork – Academy Street would bring around 200,000sq ft of that space between 30/40 units across its lower levels. The negotiation stage is still unclear, but it looks as though OCP would be anxious for the Rockfell development to link across into its aging Paul Street S.C. – which would in turn be revamped to the standards provided by the Cornmarket Street project. Tesco would remain anchor tenant for Paul Street. The link-up would also provide Rockfell’s project with direct access to the public multi-storey car-park as it has no such facilities of its own (with the 66 basement spaces designated for resident use only). As for a further link-up to Academy Street nearby, I find it unlikely and have not heard of anything as of yet. Academy Street will primarily avail of pedestrian-based trade given its accessibility and access onto Patrick’s Street – remember, the street sees approx. half-a-million pedestrian movements per week, that’s a lot of trade – it is also a reason OCP were so anxious to have a frontage onto the street by acquiring the Taboo bar and current The Jean Scene building (notably, The Jean Scene have applied for a unit at the Academy Street facility along with Gasoline – who will seek to transfer their business to the centre from Merchants Quay S.C.). Rumours persist that OCP have since managed to strike a deal with the Reidy family regarding their Le Cheateau bar – but the deal entails that the licensed premises will still remain on completion of the development.
A clear position will be made known soon regarding Cornmarket Street – whether Mr. O’Donoghue accepts the offer with OCP or not, it’s clear that the offer could be an attractive one to him. Nothing has been set in stone yet – but its nice to know what’s going on in the background. I really like the Rockfell project. Nonetheless, a target has been set for clearance and excavation works to commence for this summer, with some tenancy agreements having already been accorded for the development – including a large unit for furniture retailler Habitat. Other rumours include a unit for Dixons and Boots (who are expected will transfer from Patrick’s Street to avail of a larger city centre unit with greater presence – no confirmation has yet been solidified).
I have to say, I admire Mr. O’Donoghue’s motto toward business, it’s quoted as being “The best is only barely good enough for me!”
๐ I hope to reveal the architects behind Academy Street soon – its all pending – but if anyone is wise to this, some members of the Academy Street design team were present on invitation by Mr. O’Callaghan to the opening of Mahon Point S.C.
*UPDATES*๐ Lidl have acquired a site along the Ballyhooly Road in Ballyvolane for which they intend to develop a discount food store (and possibly additional retail units) – no application has been made yet, so the specifics are not yet clear. It seems Dunnes Stores is still not safe even despite outbidding the Germal retaillers for a 1.9 acre site near its Ballyvolane S.C.
๐ O’Flynn Construction have applied to make a number of finishing alterations to their Ballincollig Town Centre shopping centre facility and adjoining multi-storey car-park. Were once, the northern elevation of the S.C. and part of the Western elevation of the car-park were set to be finished with timber cladding, this will now be omitted in favour of a less maintenance heavy finish of metal sheet cladding. Dunnes Stores will anchor 2 of the main anchor units (grocery and clothing), providing a combined area of approx. 60,000sq ft, with the 3rd anchor tenant set to be announced shortly, with a 30,000sq ft unit. Easons are already taking up a units 10 & 11 with a newsagents and cafe. Vero Moda are also supposedly looking at a unit but I haven’t heard anything of this other than 3rd party info. The S.C. is scheduled for opening in October 2005.

Ballincollig Town Centre S.C.April 15, 2005 at 10:04 am #733525lexington
ParticipantWell there seems to be a lot of talk about roundabouts in another thread on this forum – so I said I may as well update this thread w.r.t. the progress being made on the Kinsale Road Roundabout Flyover. This long overdue and it’s highly inflated budget (upwards of 42m euro) are now scheduled to get a move on this June, with Ascon as contractors. This is following a further delay which without, would have seen the project rolling 2 months ago.
Here’s a little bird’s eye view of the flyover – what it will look like when complete. Arup are the consultants for the project.
April 15, 2005 at 10:39 am #733526mickeydocs
ParticipantI was curious as to what they had planned to do with the tree in the middle of the roundabout.
@lexington wrote:
Well there seems to be a lot of talk about roundabouts in another thread on this forum – so I said I may as well update this thread w.r.t. the progress being made on the Kinsale Road Roundabout Flyover. This long overdue and it’s highly inflated budget (upwards of 42m euro) are now scheduled to get a move on this June, with Ascon as contractors. This is following a further delay which without, would have seen the project rolling 2 months ago.
Here’s a little bird’s eye view of the flyover – what it will look like when complete. Arup are the consultants for the project.
April 15, 2005 at 12:02 pm #733527corcaighboy
ParticipantSaw this aerial image of Cork Airport on that John Herriott Photography website. Great pic showing the latest construction. See following link:
http://www.irelandphotography.com/johnherriott/aerial/cair.jpgApril 15, 2005 at 6:15 pm #733528lexington
ParticipantTom McCarthy’s development vehicle, McCarthy Developments – who are continuing work on their Hartys Quay and Jacobs Island developments (both awaiting planning decisions for extensions on each) and are also in planning for a superb 100,000sq ft, 8-storey technology and business centre along Centre Park Road – will again shortly be seeking a revised proposal for their Curraheen residential development (which was refused planning on appeal due to what was stated as being a ‘premature application’ – considering the Ballincollig By-pass had not been completed at the time). Originally the development sought to accommodate up to 500 students across a series of blocks on what were once the football grounds of Cork City FC.
McCarthy Developments will be seeking a revised application in the coming months – with a number of alterations made. The original plan was granted by Cork County Council – and it is hoped that the renewed application will also meet approval. It is suspected that the fresh proposal will have a reduced student element, if at all. The site is also in very close proximity to Jermiah Lynch’s site which recently attained planning, following appeal, for 123 residential units – as designed by Murray O’Laoire: that site is now up for sale through Irish & European with a guide price of approx. 10m euros. Design on the McCarthy Developments application will again be by Project Architects. The adjacent sports pitches, as visible in the image below, have been assessed by UCC and CIT for a joint student campus facility. Similar to the McCarthy Developments project, a link would be provided to CIT.
April 17, 2005 at 1:54 pm #733529lexington
Participant๐ After a series of apparent weather disruptions (including the flooding of the site), Cleary Doyle Contractors have finally got around to erecting the 1st of 2 tower cranes over the site of Cork City Hall’s 32m euro extension, designed by ABK Architects. Construction is expected to take approx. 18 months with an official opening set for Autumn 2006.
๐ The new Cork Airport terminal development is coming along very well and looks attractive even at this mid-construction stage. The multi-storey car-park is nearing completion. The new terminal is still on schedule for a Novemeber 2005 opening.

๐ The company jointly owned by Owen O’Callaghan, Elendale Group, has seen its value rise by almost 400% following a revaluation of its assets. The value now stands at approximately 204m euros, and increase of 160m euros (up from 44m euros). The revaluation growth is largely thanks to land value increases subsequent oof developments at Mahon Point, Lavitts Quay and on performances contributed by Barkhill, the Liffey Valley ddevelopment wing Mr. O’Callaghan owns 50/50 with the Duke of Westminster’s Grosvenor Group. O’Callaghan Properties (OCP) also have substantial developments in the wings earmarked for the former Jurys Hotel site along the Western Road (a 3 Phase project estimated to have a value of approx. 130m euros), Academy Street (a new 200,000sq ft retail quarter with 80 overhead apartments – valued at around 150m euros) plus a number of other Cork-based projects under assessment. It is believed these projects, in addition to on-going projects along the Old Blackrock Road, Classes near Ovens and at Mahon Point, with a possible joint-venture regarding Cornmarket Street and Paul Street S.C. – will all further boosts values for the company into the future. Through Barkhill, OCP and Grosvenor Group are also planning a new town development with numerous offices, leisure and retail facilities in addition to 5000 potential new homes at Liffey Valley.
๐ It’s interesting to see how the Bandon Road Roundabout section of the 120m euro Ballincollig By-Pass (where it meets with the South Ring Road) – constructed by Gama Tubin Construction – has already made the preparations for the prospective new fly-over at the junction. The flyover will be part of a 2 phase development, with another flyover being constructed at Sarsfield Roundabout further east along the South Ring. The 2 projects combined will costs an estimated 75m euros – and are seperate to the 42m euro Kinsale Road Roundabout (see posts above for image). The Bandon and Sarsfield fly-overs were cleared by ABP following appeal, the funding is in place, and a projected commencement date has been set for late Summer 2005 (but I’ll believe when I see it). ๐
-> and just a minor correction regarding something I posted many many moons ago in which I said Pat O’Brien Developments had erected a tower crane over Frinailla’s An Caislean development in Ballincollig, well, the crane is actually that of Murnane & O’Shea over their The Maltings development nearby in Ballincollig. That development consists of 29 dwellinghouses, 76 apartments, 32 duplexes and 13 sheltered housing units. Just said I’d make it clear.April 17, 2005 at 8:51 pm #733530lexington
ParticipantMany of you have asked how come no images of Victoria Mills, developed by Paul Montgomery & Edmund Kenneally, designed by Derek Tynan & Associates, constructed by Bowen Construction, have been posted on this thread considering all the talk about it. Although I have provided links, here’s an image, finally! Hmmm. Phase 2 begins late May.
April 17, 2005 at 9:50 pm #733531A-ha
ParticipantDoes anyone know if the existing building of the airport will be kept or will it be demolished when the new terminal opens? If it is kept, what use will it be put to, offices??
April 17, 2005 at 11:42 pm #733532dowlingm
ParticipantLexington re: Bandon Rd flyover
might be some disruption to this given the current uproar about Gama?
April 18, 2005 at 1:22 am #733533-Donnacha-
Participant@A-ha wrote:
Does anyone know if the existing building of the airport will be kept or will it be demolished when the new terminal opens? If it is kept, what use will it be put to, offices??
Ya they are planning to keep the building alright. It will be used for offices primarily but it may be used to facilitate peak airport traffic in case the new terminal won’t be able to cope with passanger numbers in the future. But that’s unlikely to happen for a good while. Lets just hope the Airport Authority build the four airbridges, and that it is compulsory for the airlines to use them. Forget about shorter turn around times, this is the year 2005, they should concentrate on passenger well being. And air bridges, from a security perspective, are a lot safer.
April 18, 2005 at 4:10 am #733534dowlingm
Participantilovecork2 and your “compulsory” airbridges
it is not “compulsory” for airlines to serve Cork either.
You can make it as compulsory as you like in fact but that won’t make it possible to attach an airbridge to an ATR42.
April 18, 2005 at 10:17 am #733535lexington
Participant@dowlingm wrote:
Lexington re: Bandon Rd flyover
might be some disruption to this given the current uproar about Gama?
Gama won’t be the main contractors on the project. Their element of the flyover work has already been complete.
@iloveCORK2 wrote:Ya they are planning to keep the building alright. It will be used for offices primarily but it may be used to facilitate peak airport traffic in case the new terminal won’t be able to cope with passanger numbers in the future. But that’s unlikely to happen for a good while. Lets just hope the Airport Authority build the four airbridges, and that it is compulsory for the airlines to use them. Forget about shorter turn around times, this is the year 2005, they should concentrate on passenger well being. And air bridges, from a security perspective, are a lot safer.
As said, the existing terminal will be retained – but as for the airbridges iloveCORK2, only 2 airbridges will be secured for sure. The other options will be allocated at the discretion of the CAA once they become independent of the DAA. CAA have already been discussing ‘sponsoring’ activities regarding further airbridges with a number of local businesses but it is unlikely any such venture will take place in the forseeable future.
Air-bridges are also utilised only at the discretion of the air-service provider – take Ryanair in Dublin for example.
A report in the Irish Examiner today mentioned how the likes of Owen O’Callaghan, Howard Holdings and Paul Montgomery were in the mix for the development of a multi-purpose event centre -> ๐ฎ I’ll provide you with an up-to-date insight into that particular issue over the coming 2 weeks. It may clear up some hazy perceptions on the proposals.April 18, 2005 at 12:16 pm #733536Radioactiveman
ParticipantThat McCarthy Development’s Student Accomodation at Bishopstown looks like some terrible planning. It’s analagous to the inspired decision to build student accomodation at the train station. The train station!!!! thats pretty much as far as you can be away from UCC/CIT and still be in Cork CIty.
Plus, building over Sports facilities is pretty dodgy territory.
_______________________________________________________________________________________Does anyone know what Leaders on North Main Street are up to? They seem to be fitting out that long vacant shop close to their larger store. All property owned by the company on the street is in need of a facelift. Lets hope thats what they are up to.
_______________________________________________________________________________________There was an interesting article on the Evening Echo on Saturday talking about a lifting bridge at Water Street area. Apparently CCC are in the very early stages of assessing its viability. They had an interesting image of what it might look like. Not sure of the source of the image. Any details?
On a related topic, Werdna’s Water street project will be given the thumbs up/down next Monday.
_______________________________________________________________________________________I have heard on the grapevine that Frinailla’s development on Watercourse road (Ladys Well), which was granted permission after a long, drawn out planning process by CCC, will almost definately be appealled to ABP. This will further lengthen the already elongated process.
_______________________________________________________________________________________Next Wednesday (20th) is the closing date for entries to the Kyrls Quay Architectural Design Competition run by CCC/CORK2005/RIAI.
I’ve been lucky enough to view a number of the entries and there is some excellent work there. I think, most importantly, that the general public, will be more than happy with the designs and most will also please the architecture critics ๐
Expect the results to be made available sometime in late May.April 18, 2005 at 2:32 pm #733537lexington
Participant๐ Anna O’Connor (Sandymount, Dublin) has reapplied to CCC for permission to redevelop her site at the corner of York Street/Hill and Wellington Road. Her previous application was refused on grounds of height and overdevelopment – it included, a 6-storey building over basement carpark w/ 24 apartments and 800sq ft of office accommodation on the ground floor – all built around a courtyard area. The new application is significantly toned down with a generally 4-storey (max’ing at 5-storeys south along York Hill) building containing 17 apartments, all with balconies, landscaped courtyard and basement parking. The site is in much need of development – but it is located within a highly sensitive area. MV Cullinan Architects are responsible for the design. A decision is due on the 9th June 2005.
๐ Blakeshaw Ltd have been granted permission to change usage of the former church at Our Lady’s Hospital along the Lee Road, to a new restaurant and bar facility. The church will be fully renovated and its surrounding gardens landscaped, with ancillary parking provided for. The new facility has promised to provide a high-standard in ‘dining’ for Cork. The grant comes despite an objection from Councillor Michael O’Connell, who feared the provision of a bar in the area would lead to unwelcome late night activities in the area. :rolleyes:April 18, 2005 at 5:23 pm #733538pier39
Participantwould sum1 ever shut mary leland up – re: her article on cork2005 in todays IT. and every other article dat woman has ever wrote. what a nag.
April 18, 2005 at 9:04 pm #733539opus
Participant@lexington wrote:
Many of you have asked how come no images of Victoria Mills, developed by Paul Montgomery & Edmund Kenneally, designed by Derek Tynan & Associates, constructed by Bowen Construction, have been posted on this thread considering all the talk about it. Although I have provided links, here’s an image, finally! Hmmm. Phase 2 begins late May.

Pretty much everyone I know thinks this building is a blot on the landscape of the city, and given that I go past it every evening coming from work I would have to agree that it’s pretty ugly.
Is the new development going up beside it going to be of a similiar ilk?
April 19, 2005 at 9:22 am #733540-Donnacha-
Participanti really don’t understand people’s reactions to this building – is it because it is contemporary, striking, slightly different to nearby buildings – some comments have been a bit hysterical in my opinion – and when we have far worse new buildings being built everywhere in the city no-one seems to care for eg does anyone know the Bridgeholm (or something like that) apartment scheme being built above Commons Road – now thats bad – cheap looking early 1990’s tax incentive effect to the utmost.
April 19, 2005 at 9:47 am #733541pier39
Participant@bunch wrote:
i really don’t understand people’s reactions to this building – is it because it is contemporary, striking, slightly different to nearby buildings – some comments have been a bit hysterical in my opinion – and when we have far worse new buildings being built everywhere in the city no-one seems to care for eg does anyone know the Bridgeholm (or something like that) apartment scheme being built above Commons Road – now thats bad – cheap looking early 1990’s tax incentive effect to the utmost.
yeh – that commons rd building ain’t fair pretty at all. yer entitled to your opinion like, but i still think the victoria cross student building is just boring. i though contemp. meant inspired and new. theres no definition to it at all like. but like i say everyones entitled to there opinion.
hey lex, fair job on the forum! what do you think are the 5 most importent projects in cork at the mo? the 1s in planning or not built yet.? got any pics?
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