Look at de state of Cork, like!
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- May 5, 2005 at 5:52 pm #733642
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Participantlexington wrote:*UPDATES*Keep your eyes peeled. ]
No, I dont. It makes me much healthier. Mentally 😉
May 6, 2005 at 1:41 pm #733643lexington
ParticipantI’ll be honest with you, for over a week now, on and off, I’ve been trying to ‘dignify’ the images I have of Paul Kenny’s proposed Revenue Commissioners offices along St. Patrick’s Quay/Lower Glanmire Road. The 130,000sq ft + development ranges between 4 and 7 storeys in 2 seperate buildings linked together by bridges and was designed by Paud O’Mahony et al at Wilson Architecture. 235 underground spaces for parking will be provided on 2 levels (see details of development in prev. posts). My new software program seems continually to deplete the quality of the images and often require scans, distortions and so on – simply to make them visible. I’ve sent a complaint to the Finnish-manufacturers and am awaiting an updated program. Rant aside, I will post up images (the best of a bad lot) of the development’s quayside elevation later tonight for your approving eyes. I have to say, this project is undoubtedly (in my eyes) on of the best projects Wilson Architecture have produced. Paul Kenny clearly went into the race for the Revenue Commissioners to win it and the design relfects that. It will provide a landmark building along the quays – and with a proximity so close to Kent Station – the development really caps the bag.
I was talking to an involved party with the OPW not so long ago, who stated that they had been very impressed by the proposal and was in ‘the top 3’ (?!). In my opinion, the only thing that stands in Mr. Kenny’s way, is the probable length of the planning process. The application was lodged tight against the deadline. McCarthy Developments, who also made a presentation, have the advantage of planning attained. While OFC have proposed BTC’s office campus with some exceptionally attractive rates, however, the distance from the city centre dampers their prospects somewhat. The OPW did say however, they would seek the best offer and the best scenario thats suits them. BTC will become highly accessible with the opening of the Ballincollig By-Pass. However, the Kenny development represents perhaps, one of the best office developments proposed for Cork in some time (my guess is, they’ve probably got it! But then again I could be disproved). Well done to all involved. Judge for yourself later tonight (9pm-ish), til then, I’ll keep working on these blasted images!!! :rolleyes:
*UPDATES*Clontarf Street ‘Tower’ to be lodged
😀 DAT Partnerships are to apply for the development of a 9-storey office building of approx. 31,000sq ft at the small, triangular shaped site bordered by Clontarf Street, Oliver Plunkett Street Lower and Deane Street (to the north of No.5 & No.6 Lapps Quay). The plan previously reported in one of my earlier posts, which constituted a larger 12-storey building, was revised down to its current height following pre-planning talks with CCC planners who advised the reduction. Coughlan de Keyser are the architects and Cohlan Downing Associates are expected to be the letting/sale agents when the project is complete – work on the new landmark building (which will provide another unique addition to this fast expanding area of commercial development) will not commence (subject to planning) for about 10months. The lot is currently being let for car-parking purposes. The new development will represent a new landmark building (in the proper sense) come completion. A ‘flame’ like structure.🙂 The first sections of a tower crane have arrived at the Albert Quay site for Howard Holdings’ WebWorks development. Design is by Scott Tallon Walker. Contractors are John Paul Construction. The crane should be erected within the coming month progress pending.
May 6, 2005 at 3:54 pm #733644ewankennedy
Participant@lexington wrote:
Paul Kenny’s proposed Revenue Commissioners offices along St. Patrick’s Quay/Lower Glanmire Road… I have to say, this project is undoubtedly (in my eyes) on of the best projects Wilson Architecture have produced. Paul Kenny clearly went into the race for the Revenue Commissioners to win it and teh design relfects that. It will provide a landmark building along the quays – and with a proximity so close to Kent Station – the development really caps the bag.
😀 DAT Partnerships are to apply for the development of a 9-storey office building of approx. 31,000sq ft at the small, triangular shaped site bordered by Clontarf Street, Oliver Plunkett Street Lower and Deane Street (to the north of No.5 & No.6 Lapps Quay). The plan previously reported in one of my earlier posts, which constituted a larger 12-storey building, was revised down to its current height following pre-planning talks with CCC planners who advised the reduction. Cohlan Downing Associates are expected to be the letting/sale agents when the project is complete – work on the new landmark building (which will provide another unique addition to this fast expanding area of commercial development) will not commence (subject to planning) for about 10months. The lot is currently being let for car-parking purposes.
yeah I’ve seen Paul kenny’s building for the Rev comms and i agree its something special. One of the best developments i’ve seen for Cork in ages. Finally something with REAL architectural flair. I think people are really gonna like it, cant wait to see the pic tonight.
That Clontarf street building sounds very very interesting. I’ve been hearing all about it – any pics Lex?
May 6, 2005 at 10:48 pm #733645lexington
ParticipantHere’s the image!
Try as I might, I’m afraid this is as clear as it gets. It was printed, then captured on a WebCam – hence the elemental blur. But the important thing is it provides a visual on the development. I personally believe it to be one of Wilson Architecture’s nicer efforts. The facades on the western side are being incorporated as protected structures. One may argue that it provides a sense of imbalance, perhaps, the ideal would be to centred the facades were they to be incorporated. But given their status – that’s hardly feasible. In the end, one may argue their incorporation perhaps adds ‘character’ to the quayside elevation. The only real shame about this project is the refusal by both McLaughlins (Vet & Animal Care produce) and Bell Scott, both on Ship Street, to sell up and allow for a greater continuity to the project along that elevation. Perhaps, perhaps – they may go the way of O’Brien Office Supplies w.r.t. City Quarter – and decide better halfway through development. Donal F. O’Donovan (DFOD Consultants/DL Safety) and his Clyde House however, on Brian Boru Street, I hear through the grapevine – may be looking to sell or redevelop their premises in the near future. Comments have been made to the ‘nautical’ evocation of the Kenny Development design – opinions?
ewankennedy – I’ll try and get an image on the Clontarf Street ‘tower’ up for late next week.
Leesider – with the image up now, hope you can sleep well tonight! 😀May 6, 2005 at 10:57 pm #733646Leesider
Participantlooks very well and a lot more daring than anything I have seen for Cork in a long time. Should help to rejuvenate that area no end. Here’s hoping it get’s over planning hurdles quickly and isn’t watered down. Don’t see how it could though with no problem with residents in that area and height wouldn’t be a problem either!
Cheers for the image Lexington……waited all night for that! 😉
May 6, 2005 at 11:44 pm #733647rodger
Participantwow!what the Kennys want the Kennys get.
May 7, 2005 at 2:54 am #733648pier39
Participantthats friggin amazing!!! knew it was gonna be good but thats top rate stuff. more of this please. well done kennys. the council would be mad to find odds with this 1. finally a landmark building on this side of the river. kinda gehry, look at the walls.
cant wait to see the clontarf tower – 9 storeys a tower???!!!! – i hope its not a brick massacre and uses glass to take advantage of its interestin spot. a flatiron only glass.
wats the ocallaghan docklands plan lex??? highrise im guessin???
May 7, 2005 at 8:24 pm #733649ewankennedy
ParticipantYeah, have to say I think it (the kenny development) would do wonders for the quays along this area. Its very near Horgans quay too which i hear Martin Cullen siad was closing in our agreement between the Cork Corp, cie and a private developer.
Is anyone else hoping that Treasury holdings are not going to be involved in Horgans quays redevelopment??? Their track record and recent developments in the Dublin docklands are so ugly boring and downright lazy, we could do with less of that down here. I know Manor Park were involved too at one stage and their not much better.
May 7, 2005 at 9:37 pm #733650satanta99
Participantlooking at the 3D rendering above gives the impression that we could see something special emerge from this site… fingers crossed. Does the glass facade extend over the original building on the south western side of the development, have to say I’m really impressed. But I’m really looking forward to seeing what is planned for the clontarf street site. It could be so good on such an interesting site!
May 8, 2005 at 1:23 am #733651ewankennedy
Participant@satanta99 wrote:
looking at the 3D rendering above gives the impression that we could see something special emerge from this site… fingers crossed. Does the glass facade extend over the original building on the south western side of the development, have to say I’m really impressed. But I’m really looking forward to seeing what is planned for the clontarf street site. It could be so good on such an interesting site!
Yeah I agree with ya on both those things. Its funny cos I wasnt expecting much on the kenny development but when I saw it i had to take a step back and say whoa! And with the Clontarf street building i have huge expectations. It mightnt be the biggest development in Cork but it is surely one of the most interesting, how they get a building like their proposing on a site that small and with such a unique shape in such a unique place is gonna be something to see. i REALLY hope i’m not let down on this one, its gonna have to be good architecture speaking to make it work on that site. No doubt Lex will have something up on it soon. Bring it on!!!
May 8, 2005 at 11:49 am #733652keeneye
ParticipantHey Guys,
Does anyone have info on a new late night venue on North Main Street? I’m not wondering about the Gaffney Group premises currently been built on the former Classic Bar site, but on the corner building known as the Young Boys Catholic Association building. I heard that Joe Donovan (who bought the Oyster Bar, etc) owns it and has planning for a late night theatre venue (I’m sure it will be a nightclub though 😉 ) that can hold up to 1200 people approx!!. This is a very large site.If im correct..Don’t yee think between newly owed Redz (holds 700 people), Gaffney Group new venue (900 people approx) and this purposed venue by Joe Donovan (1200 person’s approx), all 30 meters from each other, will create havoc on any given busy night. THATS 2800 people approx on lets say Saturday night pouring onto North Main street & Liberty St. at 2.30am. !!! Pity the residents.
The other 2500 approx coming from Cubins, Reardens & Havana Browns Night club must also have an impact to MANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS that may arise in the future. The issues of different clientel coming from the various venues, mixing on the streets with drink on board is always a major factor to the source of trouble that could lay ahead.Don’t get me wrong, it is excellent with money been largely invested still into bars & late night venues (BluBamoo on Sheares St., holds 1200 persons, 6.5 million invested by Ultimate Leisure PLC) with the uncertainty in the Licenced trade today ….. but common sense must prevail.!
I’ve seen it before in certain area’s -Residents/ Hospitals/ Motorists/ Neil Prendaville (HAHA:)) C.C.C (street litter etc)ALL COME AT ONCE, looking for the source of the various problems. But most of all the Gardai. These premises are all under the the durastriction of The Bridewell Garda Station, which is badly in need of extra resources already. All you need is to PEEE OFF one or two Sergeants and need i say more….
These premises are all expected to be open for the new student season in September when the students come back from hols. I think this area will be in my eyes, Corks Temple Bar… Good Luck and weldone to the publicans there but just be cautious. 🙂May 8, 2005 at 3:24 pm #733653lexington
Participant:confused: It seems that John McCarthy Motorpoint (SAAB dealership) in the Railway/Alfred Street vicinity (next to Kent Station) may be seeking to shift premises over the coming months – freeing up a vital and strategically important site for redevelopment within the north docklands of the city. The site is located adjacent to the Long-Term parking facility of Kent Station, which, is supposedly subject to a 25m euro redevelopment (although, again, CIE seem to have put this on the back-burner for a small while, contrary to promises made by Chairman Dr. John Lynch). The Motorpoint site is located near the Kenny Group redevelopment of its Patrick’s Quay premises for new purpose designed Revenue Commissioners office space (currently in planning) and a small but noteworthy development at the former Unity Garage along the Lower Glanmire Road (see keeneye posts with drawings) by BrideView Developments. A recently sold 18,000sq ft warehousing premises also along Alfred/Railway Street fetched a supposed 4m euros through agents Dominic Daly – plans are being worked for that particular site, which will form part of a site accumulation, however, there is no timeframe available for . It’s not clear what the future intentions of the dealership are, but, its guessed that they may choose to relocate to new purpose built premises as part of a MotorMall by either John Cleary Developments (recently greenlit) at Mahon Point (on the former Sifco premises) or at EastGate MotorMall currently under construction by OFC.
MotorPoint are not confirming any rumours and in some cases denying it, but involved sources say not to be put off by that. One source said, “It makes sense, their premises are currently too restrictive to allow any business related development. The docklands is taking off with a number of projects like McCarthy Developments office block, Kenny’s office development, Werdna’s proposals, O’Callaghan’s plans…MotorPoint’s sale will bag McCarthy’s a tidy sum and allow them relocate to new, stylish and accessible accommodation. It’s probably a few months away, but it is on the cards.” (edited for coherency) That particular source is acting as a consultant for one interested party looking at options on the site.
I look forward, as I’m sure you all will, to see if anything comes of it. 😮
🙂 I tried posting details on one of the 2 docklands highrise proposals (not inclusive of any Horgan’s Quay plans) at preplanning yesterday – but both times my posts failed and I had to keep rewriting them. I finally supposed that it wasn’t meant to be. But the good news is that a 3rd project is now under asssessment by one of Cork’s premier development companies. Consulting engineers are assessing prospects for a new mixed commercial and part (possible) residential development at a landmark docklands, waterfront site. I’m afraid I cant, for the time being comment any further. But I promise I will bring the details when I have them.
I’m coming to the conclusion my report on Cork: Has it’s time come? would be far too long winded and complex to post up here. What I might do is give a small, edited version of it on this thread – with the full thing hyperlinked some time in the future.
keeneye – regarding the Christian Youth Boys Centre at Paradise Place (junction at North Main Street, Liberty Street, South Main Street and Castle Street), it had a guide of 975,000euros through Dominic Daly Auctioneers, but sold for 2.2m euros. The centre itself is approx. 8,000sq ft – with the premises now occupied by Blu Bambu extending to 13,000sq ft. Indeed BluBambu has a 1,200 (give or take) capacity cert, so I find it difficult to see how the Paradise Place premises is excess of that. Regarding Joe O’Donovan’s involvement, he is a name and plans are rumoured to be afoot to convert the place to a late-night (nightclub) venue, but nothing has been cemented yet (including Mr. O’Donovan’s prospective involvement). As for the City Properties nightclub next-door, it’s market is being targeted at the Havana Brown’s clientele. 21yrs +, however its capacity is somewhat smaller – a stricter entry policy will be engaged. I’ll get back to you at some stage on the other elements of your post.May 9, 2005 at 3:05 pm #733654lexington
ParticipantCurrently 3 fully fledged department stores (possibly 4 if you include Roches Stores at Wilton), operate in Cork city – Brown Thomas, Roches Stores and Debenhams. However that may all soon change…
…many moons ago, you may remember I indicated the UK-firm, the John Lewis Partnership, had been assessing options for a store opening in the south of Ireland (it is not known as of yet to the extent of their assessment). I had speculated that Rockfell’s Cornmarket Street development may provide an option – as talks had been addressed, however, it would now seem that the Cornmarket Street project has gone the way of unit lettings (w/ Habitat, Dixons and Boots all having held discussions – Habitat remain the only confirmed tenant for the time being). John Lewis have still indicated an interest in Cork – confirmed as of today. Furthermore, Arnotts are also assessing possibilities for Cork city.
The first thought that springs to mind is the Capitol Cineplex redevelopment by John Costello and Mount Kennett Investments. Submissions for the project are closed as of today (with 5 recorded – including submissions from Pat Dwyer, the Vineyard Bar, the Post Master [Noelle Moriarty] of the adjoining Post Office, Kevin Hurley of An Taisce and Vision Cork – a new, independent development standards assessment group). The planner is Michael Lynch. I would expect Further Info to be called on the project – perhaps Significant. The development is to consist of a medium sized department store, which may provide an attractive option for the aforementioned names. I may have some more info on that come the next few weeks.
Aldi Stores Development @ Tory Top RoadHere’s a long awaited image of the Aldi Stores Development for the Heiton Buckley site along Tory Top Road, adjacent to Musgrave Park. The development which was lodged in July of 2004 had its due date pushed back almost a full-year(!) to June 20th 2005 – and was designed by Carew Kelly Architects. The development will include a discount Aldi Store, creche w/ rooftop play area, additional retail units (7) and 48 2-bedroom duplex apartments arranged over 6 4-storey blocks. Its actually quite a pleasant development – but unfortunately this image does not convey it as so, unfortunately, it was WebCam-ed from a copy of the planning application attained by a source with the development wing of Aldi.
May 9, 2005 at 3:45 pm #733655Pug
Participantany ideas or firm speculation on who bought the tesco site in midleton?
May 9, 2005 at 4:08 pm #733656pier39
Participantit would seem someone loaded anyway pug. what did it go for again??? 5 mil was it? i’d guess Cork Marts.
May 9, 2005 at 4:15 pm #733657Pug
Participantyeah, 5.1 million, got way more than they bargained for. Not bad considering the guide price was 3.2 mill.
May 9, 2005 at 4:49 pm #733658rodger
ParticipantI think its a good property although restricted to comparison retail by covenent.The site backs onto the town carpark and this is where I would see the real value.
May 9, 2005 at 6:10 pm #733659-Donnacha-
Participantrodger,
what do you mean ‘restricted to comparison retail by covenant’ – does it not have a Town Centre Zoning? – including convenience?
May 10, 2005 at 12:10 am #733660rodger
ParticipantBunch, I understand that as part of the sale the buyer or tennant cannot operate a business which deals in the sale of food or drink unless a bar or restaurant,Tescos probably did not want Superquinn or similar setting up nearby.
May 10, 2005 at 2:00 am #733661-Donnacha-
ParticipantGoogle maps launched their Ireland / England site last week.
http://www.google.co.uk/mapsStill lacking alot of detail, especially outside the major cities.
No satellite imagery available yet either (the US one does)But handy for Cork City.
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