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  • #733542
    lexington
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    :rolleyes: Paul Montgomery/Edmund Kenneally’s next venture – this time with Barry Supple (John F. Supple Contractors) – along the Boreenmanna Road (see previous posts) – has seen Mr. Montgomery return to architect Derek Tynan & Associates (sigh) for the design on the new housing project at Cogan’s Field (near Rose Cottage) – a 5.5acre site. The development will consist of 50 social housing units, 52 market (private) houses, and 55 apartments in one, 3/4 storey apartment building – comprising a total of 157 units.

    For images of the ugliness, see -> http://www.dtarch.com/04bmr.html


    @opus wrote:

    Is the new development going up beside it going to be of a similiar ilk?

    Pretty much identical in design only with a brown-brick finish. However, Phase 2 will peak at 5-storeys over basement car-park. See -> http://www.dtarch.com/04vc2.html



    -> As for 5 most important Cork projects in planning or appeal (I assume you mean) pier39: 1. Eglinton Street, 2. Water Street, 3.Jurys Redevelopment – are 3 of the most important in my opinion anyway, but I’ll get back to you on it. I’ll try and have some images of them up later this evening.

    #733543
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    The most crucial development Cork needs at this time is a 5,000/6,000 seater arena for conferences/concerts, etc.
    Its pretty appallling that KIllarney and Kilkenny can hold annual concert series (even without an arena) and Cork (the second city) can barely stretch to a few concerts for CORK2005.
    The arena should- OF COURSE be located in the docklands. Any other location (especially Mahon Point) is ridiculous. A Docklands arean would allow visitors and corkonians alike to walk from the city to the arena instead of everyone getting in there car and blocking up the whole of Mahon.
    When can we expect an announcement from CCC in this regard?

    #733544
    lexington
    Participant

    Well obviously the multi-purpose event centre is a crucial development factor – I am hoping to have a sort of ‘Report’ on the centre and the people behind it (in light of recent media flurry) for some time over the next 2 weeks – incl. Paul Montgomery’s ‘adventures’ at Black Ash and Horgan’s Quay, OCP’s proposal – and it’s on again/off again status (as well as the Mahon Point’s link to Mr. Montgomery), why another group has been actively concentrating on a prominent site within the vicinity of the docklands etc etc. There are also issues of Government support in the mix and the contents of the next Finance Bill publication – but the report will depend greatly on the co-operation of certain ‘sources’.

    My response earlier to pier39 , was based on the projects that have been actively applied for. I’ll get back to this at a later stage – this evening probably.



    Any opinions of the images of Montomery/Kenneally/Supple proposal for the Boreenmanna Road? (See link in my prev. post).

    #733545
    lisam
    Participant

    @lexington wrote:

    Any opinions of the images of Montomery/Kenneally/Supple proposal for the Boreenmanna Road? (See link in my prev. post).

    YUK SPRINGS TO MIND

    #733546
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    @lexington wrote:

    My response earlier to pier39 , was based on the projects that have been actively applied for. I’ll get back to this at a later stage – this evening probably.



    Any opinions of the images of Montomery/Kenneally/Supple proposal for the Boreenmanna Road? (See link in my prev. post).

    Lexington: I didn’t mean to suggest that your previous response was anything but excellent- i was just getting my oar in!

    With regard to Boreenmanna rd, notice all the lovely trees– I think it was Frank Lloyd Wright who said that an artist can paint over his mistakes, an architect can just advise the client to plant ivy. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #733547
    A-ha
    Participant

    I heard that there is talks for a trolley bus to be put into the city centre. Does anyone know if this is true or is it just word of mouth??

    #733548
    lexington
    Participant

    As requested –

    images from 3 of what I believe to be Cork’s most important developments in planning or appeal.

    1. Eglinton Street

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    2. Water Street

    3. Jurys Redevelopment

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    Also check out the images of Frinailla’s recently granted, but now appealed (buggers!), Ladyswell development along the Watercourse Road at -> http://www.frinailla.ie/residential_4.php?id=6

    It’s interesting to note that Frinailla’s Dennehy’s Cross project will also contain a large commercial element to it, in conjunction with the mixed-residential unit types. Among the commercial units provisioned for are a postal facility and butchers (however that usage will ultimately depend on the tenant’s goals). The planning application will note these under ‘community service facilities’.


    #733549
    rodger
    Participant

    well as Joe Gavin said heres to Demolition.

    #733550
    lexington
    Participant

    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Paul Kenny (Kenny Group) is to apply for the demolition and redevelopment of his car-park facility, surrounding retail and office buildings in a block bordered by St. Patrick’s Quay, Brian Boru Street, Ship Street and the Lower Glanmire Road. The redevelopment will consist of a 4 – 5 storey office building of some 83,000sq ft fronting onto St. Patrick’s Quay, Ship Street and Brian Boru Street; w/ a 6/7 storey mixed-use building providing retail usage of 15,000sq ft on the ground floor and with further office usage on all upper floors, measuring some 54,000sq ft – this building will front the Lower Glanmire Road, Brian Boru Street and Ship Street. 2 basement levels will provide 235 parking spaces, accessed from Ship Street. The Protected Structure facades fronting St. Patrick’s Quay will be retained and incorporated into the project. Design is by Wilson Architecture. The extended closing date for the Revenue Commissioners new office accommodation submissions is April 24th 2005 – Mr. Kenny has thrown his application in just before time, no doubt the prospects of a tenant like the Revenue Commissioners was an influencing factor (considering its proximity to Kent Station, an OPW requirement in new RC offices. Mr. Kenny had presented this site and the one at 50 Grand Parade to the OPW). In total, the 2 linked buildings will provide approx. 137,000sq ft (gross) of office space.

    Prior to this application, Mr. Kenny had sought the development of a multi-storey car-park for this location (back in 1998), albeit on a smaller site – encompassing only the car-park element of the block. That application was refused by the then Cork Corporation – in what is widely believed to have been an issue of ‘favouritism’ for the Metropole Multi-storey Car Park a little further west along St. Patrick’s Quay.

    The Kenny Group is also expected to indicate the future of its 50 Grand Parade site in the coming, near future.

    #733551
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    I’d be interested to know what people think of Frinailla’s Ladyswell development: good/bad/ugly?
    the link is located 3 messages up.

    #733552
    rodger
    Participant

    Well the 1st appeal to Frinaillas Ladies Well project is in from Mary Dunne whom it appears is pro development however she is concerned about the “Diminution” of the value of property in the area??? ๐Ÿ˜ก

    #733553
    rodger
    Participant

    @Radioactiveman wrote:

    I’d be interested to know what people think of Frinailla’s Ladyswell development: good/bad/ugly?
    the link is located 3 messages up.

    I have viewed this proposal in detail incl.images from 8 different locations.I think Kiosk have carried out a great piece of work so GOOD is my verdict.What is your opinion Radioactiveman?

    #733554
    lexington
    Participant

    ๐Ÿ™ McCarthy Developments plans to extend blocks 5 & 6 at their Jacobs Island development near Mahon Point have see their decision pushed back by a full month until 19th May 2005. The plan was to add a further 2 floors and 28 apartments to the blocks, bringing each to 8 storeys. McCarthy Developments other Jacob’s Island extension, at Blocks 1 & 2, which will bring the granted 4-storey blocks to 6-storeys, will see a decision on the 26th April 2005, after it also having been pushed back.

    – also on Tom McCarthy related issues, his Rathmelton Investments vehicle is scheduled for a decision tomorrow (21st April 2005) on the numerous alterations planned for the on-going Kingsley Hotel extension, designed by Murray O’Laoire, constructed by O’Flynn of Banteer. Among the changes: reduction in bedroom extension numbers; extension of leisure facilities; construction of a link-tunnel between leisure centre and basement car-park; alterations to the 19-unit apart-hotel on the site’s western fringes.



    ๐Ÿ˜Ž The tower crane over No.6 Lapps Quay has been dismantled to allow the finishing touches be applied to the 60,000sq ft office building developed by O’Flynn Construction, designed by Coughlan de Keyser Architects. This phase will complete the No.5/No.6 Lapps Quay office complex altogether. Although there are distant rumours OFC may be looking to acquire a site to the rear of No.5 (a former car-showroom and engineers shed) to extended No.5 at some point in the long run. Nothing has yet been solidified. No.6 has seen over 75% of all its space either sold or pre-let already. OFC are said to be very pleased with the response they’ve had, noting that the quality on show at No.5 had led that building’s tenants promote the fact to prospective tenants at No.6 (?). The ground floor of No.6 will be allocated for retail banking usage – a deal is apparently being finalised for its tenant by the developer.

    The completion of No.6 Lapps Quay adds another jewel in the regenerative crown of the quayside – the next supposed move for this quay frontage will be the redevelopment (vertical extension) of the Deloitte premises next-door, however no timeframe has been established for this project as of yet.



    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ I hope (I emphasise the ‘hope’) to have some inside news on how things are going with Werdna’s new Water Street application from within the planning authority realms, before the ‘provisional’ due date – which is the 24th April 2005, next Monday.



    -> Paul Kenny’s large office development (one of Cork’s largest ever single office developments) for St. Patrick’s Quay (see post further up this thread), should make for an interesting contribution to the quayside. It’s a borderline docklands development, with a number of adjoining properties set for marked investment over the coming years. It will also have, hopefully, an effect on generating redevelopment for the rest of St. Patrick’s Quay – much needed! I hope to have images soon enough.

    #733555
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    @rodger wrote:

    I have viewed this proposal in detail incl.images from 8 different locations.I think Kiosk have carried out a great piece of work so GOOD is my verdict.What is your opinion Radioactiveman?

    I’ve seen all the plans & images for this scheme.
    I think its very average. Id like to see something much better and more suitable but i’m aware that this has gone on for too long already.
    Height/ density i really dont think was a problem with the objectors. It seemed to be about finishing and a facade on Watercourse Road more in keeping with the size of the street. I guess its up to ABP now.

    RM

    #733556
    rodger
    Participant

    RM. I think on this occasion the architects in question should take that as a compliment.

    #733557
    rodger
    Participant

    Has any one images of the development on the lower road opposite the siemens building being developed by Bride View Developments hopefully it will be to the same high standard as their apartment development on the site of the old arcadia ball room.Simple but tasty!

    #733558
    lexington
    Participant

    *UPDATES*

    ๐Ÿ™‚ Aldi Stores Developments Ltd have been granted permission by ABP for the development of a new discount food store on the former Kearys Toyota dealership in Grange, near Douglas. This is the 2nd batch of good news for Aldi after another recent grant for a ‘town centre’ development along Ballincollig Main Street. Aldi’s have also purchased a large site along the Ballyhooly Road in Ballyvolane for a prospective store development.

    – just on that note, related to Kearys, it may be interesting to note, Bill Keary has (in conjunction w/ his development partner Liam O’Callaghan) been granted permission by Cork County Council for the development of 71 residential units (55 houses, 8 duplexes and 8 apartments) at Curragh, Kanturk.



    ๐Ÿ˜ก In addition to the Ladyswell project by Frinailla been taken to ABP, so too has Ann Clifford’s Westbourne project, along College Road. Not a big project by any means, but a very strategically located one opposite the gates of UCC.



    Mark Kelleher recently resubmitted his application for his Westend site near Bishopstown/Curraheen – the details of which are outlined on this thread in an earlier post. The project has been considerably scaled back and altered – now peaking at a height 4-storeys for the apartment building element – and yet again, the residents are up in arms about this ‘high rise’ development. What the…??? If this is highrise, then so too are all those houses along the Western Road, the Mardyke, some parts of the Model Farm Road and so on. I entirely accept the right of some of these residents to object, as I’ve said before – they have valid grounds for concern, and understand that dialogue and planning authority decisions can be made in their favour – but some of the rubbish these objectors are generating is appauling. Jerry Buttimer is now pushing for objection fees (20euros each) to be refunded by CCC to all the residents who objected to the original application, because Mr. Kelleher withdrew it to revise his plans with consideration to the concerns raised. That’s utter populist rubbish Councillor and you know it!


    @rodger wrote:

    Has any one images of the development on the lower road opposite the siemens building being developed by Bride View Developments hopefully it will be to the same high standard as their apartment development on the site of the old arcadia ball room.Simple but tasty!

    BrideView Developments actually purchased that site, the former Unity Garage Petrol Station, for 600,000euros last year from former owner Sean McCarthy. Mr. McCarthy had applied for F.P.P. on his garage site before the sale – it included 5 apartments over 2 ground-floor retail units. BrideView have applied and been granted as far as I’m aware, for some minor extensions to Apartment No.5. CCC made a big deal about the prominence of the site before planning was granted and requested the design be of a complimentary nature. It’s a minor development, but BrideView are pitching it big under the title ‘Unity House’. Completion is expected for the Summer, with units for viewing in the Autumn according to BrideView.

    #733559
    pier39
    Participant
    lexington wrote:
    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Paul Kenny (Kenny Group) is to apply for the demolition and redevelopment of his car-park facility, surrounding retail and office buildings in a block bordered by St. Patrick’s Quay, Brian Boru Street, Ship Street and the Lower Glanmire Road. The redevelopment will consist of a 4 – 5 storey office building of some 83,000sq ft fronting onto St. Patrick’s Quay, Ship Street and Brian Boru Street]

    cool! roll on the docklands. should get things movin this side of the northern dock quays like the way water st is doing it on the east side. nice to see this sort of buildings featuring more in cork.

    #733560
    macai
    Participant

    [font=Comic Sans MS:1xxibb7t]Seem O'Flynn's are after starting work on the old mill building just off parliament bridge/fr. matthew quay seemed to be pouring a lot of concrete in there yesterday as if about to start on the structural work, really is about time as this has to be one of the more unsightly buildings in the city centre[/font:1xxibb7t]

    #733561
    lexington
    Participant

    Yes, it’s true… Senior Planner Ronnie McDowell is likely to recommend ‘refusal’ for the Water Street tower element come decision day. Even considering the extensive pre-planning talks between developer Mark McMahon’s Werdna Ltd, architects Murray O’Laoire and city planners on the revised plan for Water Street – which saw considerable 25% reductions in residential unit numbers, reductions in height, increased commercial provision etc etc – issues regarding height, density, overshadowing, traffic management, among others – have prompted CCC not to find favour with the entire project – rather, imposing excessively restrictive conditions that will likely feature a removal of the tower element. In my opinion, this represents a mistake. I am told from the inner realms that Werdna will seek to appeal this case should such a final decision be made.

    This is a blow to the Cork Docklands development flow and to Werdna. I can only hope that ABP have a better sense about the project on appeal.

    Clearer details will be made as time progresses.


    I really can’t sum up my disappointment at this decision. The 2 genetlemen I attained this info from earlier this week were equally angered and saddened. The news was confirmed again today by a further source.

    In my view it’s not a very positive step in Cork’s regeneration.

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