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October 17, 2012 at 12:36 am in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746679
No doubt DCC won’t bother doing any improvements to College Green until the RPA have finished laying down tracks. It’ll be a handy excuse for them to delay things for another 5 years. Classic.
Here’s a PDF of the alignement.
Again we separate our grandest buildings from the public. There’s a potential FOUR crossings there for pedestrians to get from the Bank side of College Green to the Trinity side and very little footpath room at the gates to the college too. Just as it’s impossible to get a photo of either St Patrick’s or Christchurch cathedrals without being splattered by oncoming traffic, now tourists have to run the Luas gauntlet to get a decent snap of the old school
It has been repeated here many times, but this area should have been pedestrianized and the Luas extension ditched (or a spur down Nassau St and onto Westland Row or whatever)
The only way the Luas is acceptable here is if there’s an otherwise total pedestrianization of the Green. Traffic AND Luas PLUS People does not a happy civic space makeJuly 4, 2012 at 8:02 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746655
An interesting snap of the elusive Bartley Dunnes too
So the new owners have said that all important features are to be retained (those that haven’t already been damaged/destroyed) and protected behind screen walls – What the hell is the point in having historic interiors if they’re gonna be hidden behind modern interventions, and thus, can’t be seen. We may as well cover the entire city centre in billboards and say ‘well, there are some fine examples of old dublin behind it’ – We need to place more importance on what’s inside buildings in this city. Facade retention is all well and good, but it only ever tells half the story, and indeed, probably much less if the Dutch Billy thread is anything to go by. It’s like buying a book, throwing away the pages and keeping the cover.
Can anyone tell me why some patches of historic paving have been left in place (particularly outside pubs – Whelans of Wexford St for example) on otherwise modernised footpaths?
The whole gig has been to make the horse fair more difficult, create obstructons etc. Unfortunately Horses have a thing for grass.
I’m bumping this again as I’m wondering what’s happening? I notice that the site has been sold, and have no idea what amendments to the existing PP are planned, but I would imagine a scaled-down version of the original is in the offing.
As we know, part of the complex contains a substantial section of the old city wall and the original buildings are historic in nature, despite not being considered for entry to the record of protected structures.
I might seem slightly obsessed, considering I resurrected my own (old) thread but I had a walk around the site today, and having googled it, I came across this thread (having forgotten I’d even posted it)
My issue here is not necessarily the quality of the buildings, but more their place in the historic streetscape, the street-lines, the brickwork and the sensitivity to the overall area. I normally hate facade only retention, as I get a kick out of the interior layouts of old buildings more, but this is one stretch that could benefit from retaining as much of the fabric as possible, even if only the exterior.
Couple of large billboards currently going op on Echlin Street (right opposite the Old Harbour pub)
I like Franks. It’s a very urban decay sort of shop front, and (literally) it brings colour. Certainly perfer it to most of the screen-printed signs around town currently.
Are they officialy sanctioned? I see Dublin Bus selling tours in them anyway
Just watched the England soccer game from Wembley and one thing I noticed in comparison to the Aviva, other than the fact Wembley is a fully four sided stadium, was the steepness of the lower levels of the stand.. Like Croker, the Aviva is shallower. Do you think this is a good or bad thing in terms of retaining atmosphere?
The thing about this shop(front) is that it looks like it’s always been there. To my uneducated eyes, it could have easily been an 18th century shop, but even though it’s not, it’s certainly an unusual 1960’s parody which has it’s own merits.. I suppose the saddest thing is that it is an historic trader, which continued to exist whilst all around it was gradualy taken over by multi nationals..
Where is this Thomand you speak of Punchbowl?
Because you’re surely not referring to the exceptional new facility that is Thomond Park?
This is the first negative remark I’ve heard in relation to the redevelopment of that particular iconic ground so I’d be grateful if you could expand on your assessment that it is poorly designed and over-ambitious?
Ok, as a stadium re-development with two new premiership style stands, it’s fine. What lets it down is the preservation of the two end terraces.. I mean, the aging concrete terrace slabs, totally out of proportion with the slick new stands, just don’t look good. Thomond is a great stadium, but it’s not the finished article, like all that I mentioned..
@Global Citizen wrote:
Would it be physically possible to continue the upper tiers of Croke Park above the existing Hill 16 and railway line ?
I believe the original plans were for a ‘token’ stand here, barely as big as the new north ‘stand’ in Lansdowne. Basically a sheet wall was to be put in place, and a few rows of seats, but the terrace was retained due to a certain amount of nostalgic pressure.
The Hill has it’s charm, but Croker isn’t the issue here really. The IRFU/FAI had a chance to develop an atmospheric bowl, but chose the cheaper option by not spinning the stadium and paying off the Rugby club (or offering Donnybrook). It’s still gonna be a good stadium, but it isn’t going to be great… But at least it’s consitent with Irish stadium building and destruction.. Just look at Dalymount, a badly chopped up relic of the past, Tolka, a hotch-potch of spur-of-the-moment building, Thomand, a badly designed, over-ambitous muddle of the old and new and Tallaght, a stadium built obviously to harness the full power of the unending wind from the Dublin/Wicklow mountains..
@Peter Fitz wrote:
New interior shots, starting to lay the pitch.
Yet again the North end is largely absent from the photos. This ‘U-Shaped stadium’ term is really becoming a very Irish thing
U stands for Unfinished IMO. Why, oh why, can’t we at least have one fully enclosed stadium?
Punchbowl, yes, yes it is.
*pats Punchbowl on the back* There there now.
What a tragedy. Punchbowl will be sleeping with the lights on tonight…
Tell me this isn’t what became of the bar I spent most of my college afternoons drinking Snakebites and hounding the jukebox in?
To make matters worse, I hear ‘Russells Bus Saloon’ is now ‘Russells fake tan sexy champagne wine bar’
A friend who works in Dublin Bus says that only the facade is ‘modern’ and the rest of the building is quite old. Is this true?
@paul h wrote:
That is true
Its an idea to appease both sides
if the road is not seen then it would really be a win win, no?
What, and will they sink the retail park that inevitably comes with it too??
And what about the Bewleys Historic Hill of Tara Hotel? Will That be underground also??
I wonder if the mark on the Spire could of been caused by the crane? Could it be a scrape??