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  • #776169
    Punchbowl
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    The thing about this shop(front) is that it looks like it’s always been there. To my uneducated eyes, it could have easily been an 18th century shop, but even though it’s not, it’s certainly an unusual 1960’s parody which has it’s own merits.. I suppose the saddest thing is that it is an historic trader, which continued to exist whilst all around it was gradualy taken over by multi nationals..

    #776170
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Yes that does colour matters considerably, Punchbowl.

    But even on an objective basis, I think this frontage has considerable panache: an elegance that is let down, if not virtually obscured, by a tatty decorative appearance. Of course one could not advocate such a use of aluminium today, not least as has been demonstrated, it doesn’t appear to last without considerable retreatment or renewal. And the material is not fashionable to the contemporary eye. Just as the use of bronze or brass in shop fronts is considered passé, doesn’t mean we ditch it, especially where a material is as inoffensively used as on West’s frontage. Indeed the pilasters are positively regal – much better detailed than the dross we commonly get today.

    Full agreed on that utterly hideous green; it makes this one of the most unbearable buildings in the capital to look at. But just imagine the upper elevations painted a soft cream, with windows and reveals in a dark buff shade (Conservation Code #567841), complemented by a slick new narrow fasica with crisp mounted lettering. The sultry shop front (spruced up a notch) would look simply fabulous. No contest.

    #776171
    urbanisto
    Participant

    And of course remove that “high quality” lighting.

    Actually I agree that the shopfront is rather ugly. I would actually hazzard a guess that West’s refusal to update their premises and maintain a quality retain frontage contributed to their demise. The shop just doesnt attract anyone from the street.

    #776172
    Cathal Dunne
    Participant

    @GrahamH wrote:

    1/3/2010

    I see Costa’s new café on the corner of Dawson Street and Molesworth Street has shut down exactly one year since it opened (my, how time flies).


    (March 2009)
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    I was walking past the closed Costa café and now its all boarded up with white boards. The dragon stone is gone as well. It looks very forlorn.

    While I was on my jaunt, it did strike me how shoddy some shopfronts are. They’re covered with stickers, unneccessary paraphernalia, gaudy signs and the like. Do retailers think we’re completely blind that we wouldn’t know there were shops there without all the clutter?

    #776173
    hutton
    Participant

    I got to say, faded and unkempt that it now appears, I have always loved the West shop front. What a wonderful joyful parody of WSC fronts. This is the camp swash-buckling caricature approach usually reserved for the Victorian interiors of theatres such as the Gaiety and the Olympia, turned inside-out and applied to what is usually the serious, sometimes po-faced, genre of the language of neo-classicism. How could anybody but love the over-the-top fanlights resting on the self-effacing golden pilasters? Rather than it becoming just another non-descript shop front as everywhere elsewhere in the city, restore and keep it I say! 🙂

    #776174
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Ah Golden Pilasters. There’s a breakfast cereal in that yet!

    Part of another 1960s-era shop front survives nearby. This contemporary snapshot of what looks to be a southside shop front, with a thin veneer of po-faced, applique neoclassicim characteristic of the swashbuckling early Haughey Dublin, seems like Switzers.

    So it was. One would imagine that all of this would be long removed following the onslaught of Marks and Spencer, but not entirely so. A little fragment of the ensemble survives on Duke Lane.

    The surviving vent underneath the above panel suggests this is the same elevation as depicted in the above newsreel shot. The Ionic-columned entrance, complete with uniformed doorman, as barely evident to the extreme left in the first picture, has since vanished. I’d often wondered if Duke Lane was once much more prominent than it is now – would that be the case? If the Grafton Arcade was around back then, it would explain matters.

    Perhaps the architect of the above lived out in Rathmines. The arch-headed panels are vagurely reminicent of that curious pair of iced Victorian houses off Mountpleasant Avenue 🙂

    #776175
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @gunter wrote:

    Just on that white horse,

    Is that one of those ‘protestant’ white horses, I wonder? [as discussed of the ‘Billy’ thread a good while back]

    Missed that horse bit in the Billy thread, but I think that it might be a Hutschenreuther horse; that business was famouse for its glazed horses and was bought out by Rosenthal in 2000.
    FWIW
    K.

    #776176
    cheezypuf
    Participant

    The reason for the closure of the store is not entirely clear

    I’m glad someone has a sense of humour. Have you ever been inside West’s? In fact, has anyone ever been inside West’s? Retailing on Graton Street has changed a little in the last 50 years. A jewellers with a locked door in to which prospective customers cannot see, fronted by a dated aluminium pastiche exterior is doomed to failure. My only surprise is that it made it this far.

    #776177
    Devin
    Participant

    Peats Electronics have had their “temporary” shop sign on the landmark Pen Corner building on Dame Street for more than a year now. A slap-it-up-on-a-Friday-afternoon job, still there a year later.

    Shouldn’t DCC be taking a proactive stance to uphold the quality of the city centre, rather than just wait ’til such time as someone makes a complaint about something like this, with the drawn out planning enforcement process following, and inevitable playing for time behaviour of offendees? …….. seems crazy that buildings can just have this done to them for an ongoing period of time … in what is supposedly a major European city.

    #776178
    Devin
    Participant

    Just to clarify, it says temporary sign in the bottom right:

    #776179
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    With that level of carpentry they might as well have chiseled the words ‘temporary building’ into the corbel it is chased around. Ordinarliy I’m not fussed on signage but this building if it were cleaned could be a real trophy asset and once this sign gets retention by the effluxion of time you’ll never see the back of it.

    #776180
    johnglas
    Participant

    You just have to face up to the fact you have a naff planning department; I’d love to hear one of them defending their record. ‘Temporary’ should mean about six weeks.

    #776181
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Dammit Devin! I was hoping this one would beat a record at some point – now it just may be prompted to come down (even if in the next decade or two). It beggars belief this yoke has sat here for so long without anyone in authority so much as batting an eyelid – indeed, as far as I can remember it has been here for close on two years at this stage.

    And not only that, the tatty newsagents next door has all manner of non-compliant clutter and ‘attendant features’ about its frontage, including LED strips around the doorway that beat the best efforts of Korean restaurants on Parnell Street, while right next door on the other side, as we speak, there is lurid pink signage being erected on what is one of the last historic shop fronts in this part city, on College Green, on a Protected Structure. A particular delight is the mammoth sheet of perspex that has been siliconed in in place of the plate glass, and this is before the internal signage, postering and sandwich board for the milkshake-making occupant arrives to decorate the windows.

    Without question it is the appalling standards of planning enforcement along Dame Street that is causing this shoddy presentation to spread like a cancer through the so-called ‘Grand Civic Throughfare’. The chic, if inappropriately historic-styled new shop front of Le Circ further up the street has just been modified barely a year after it was installed, once a deep and sultry aqua-marine blue, now painted lurid pillar box red, with salvaged two-over-two sash windows stuck into it! Kitty’s Cottage comes to Dame Street! Likewise, the beautiful turreted sandstone building on the corner of Grafton Street has a shop unit on the ground floor that has gone through three different uses in the space of a year, including an application for a café that sadly never went ahead. Now it’s a cheapo travel agents if I remember right, with nasty primary colours used on its nasty boxy timber inserts in the pointed gothic opes.

    It’s all just getting way out of hand. Still nothing has happened with the totally non-compliant frontage of Spar in the Burton building, nor with yet another Asian restaurant that has opened across the road with a totally illegal stone-clad fascia and shop front that can be seen from outer space, nor the horrific newsagents that has morphed into an Indian restaurant across the road from Dublin Castle… nor nor… it just goes on and on.

    Not only does enforcement has to be stepped up, but legislation just has to be streamlined. The court-based system doesn’t work. Local authorities should be able to issue fines on a time period basis – as long as your non-compliant works stay in place, the more you continue to pay. It’s the only thing that does work.

    #776182
    Devin
    Participant

    The Planning Enforcement system in Dublin is not working. There is something deeply wrong, because there is a planning enforcement system but it is not working.

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    As documented earlier in the thread, this Spar(left), in a sensitive location opposite the seventeenth-century St. Mary’s Church (now pub), had put up plastic box signs on the shop fascia when it opened in 2006, which are contrary to section 15.32.4 of development plan. A complaint was lodged at the time, but the signs were still there when it shut recently. And now it’s been replaced by some homemade paddy-ass version (right) which is using the same unauthorised box-signs on the fascia, except bigger.

    #776183
    Smithfield Resi
    Participant

    Of course these abuses of the system only occur where grubby greed and materialism come into it. I’m delighted that we have organisations that put protected structures to reuse and preserve and enhance their character as part of their day to day operations. I took a stroll past one of them today just to admire the grace with which they are conducting their strategic vision of ‘Create ambassadors to promote Dublin as a must-visit destination’.

    Of course one must understand how they are funded. Very well it seems.

    Nice brass..of course this isn’t really enough to ensure everyone sees what they are at…time for a sign..

    or two…

    Now…to attract in the crowds we had better tell them what we do. After all the name Tourist Information and two small signs isn’t going to tell them…

    What do we have? We have……

    Information!! That’s right. Information. And Stuff. Lots of Stuff.

    Oh – we had better tell them about the Stuff. Yes, the Stuff. Just in case they don’t come in. And we have those signs CIE gave us.

    and this Stuff

    Of course … these are a bit small, and behind our railings. Soooo… we’ve been thinking. Outside the Box. Like Ann Riordan, our chair. We are going to rethink the paradim! Yeah! With CorriBoard! And Railings!! Come see our INFORMATION!!!!!! Yeah!!

    Oh.

    That looks….

    a bit like we are selling GAA tickets…we need to tell them more then! “Tell them, they will come….”

    Now step back admire the effect!

    Wonderful. They will come. They will come…

    ____________________________

    #776184
    Smithfield Resi
    Participant

    Just wrote a long analysis of why I am so disgusted with Dublin Tourism – including four citations where they have been expressly barred from erecting advertising on this structure. When I think of the amount of effort I put into enforcement.. 😡 ..(blood boiling…)

    However Microsoft Internet Explorer has just crashed on me twice now…losing content…that I am beginning to think that it might have something to do with Dublin Tourisms Chair!! (Google it)

    In the meantime – when you get this ^^^ being done by state bodies; is it ANY suprise that we get this on Grafton St….

    #776185
    Smithfield Resi
    Participant

    By the way if anyone has pics of Dublin Tourism pre signage (with dates if possible) please post here…

    #776186
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I don’t mind the self-contained glass display units on the inner wall of the arcade. They don’t interfere with the design integrity of the church on the streetscape, while (in theory) allowing for a minimal street presence for the occupant. Alas, they appear to be used as little more than advertising revenue generators, rather than serving as objective information panels. Which comes as no surprise. The railing panels are an abomination. Which also comes as no surprise from Dublin Tourism. I invite anyone to go inside and take on the daunting challenge of finding out a scrap of information about the city. You might as well be walking into Carroll’s of Westmoreland Street. An absolute scandal. The place exists to line the pockets of its concessions and to tell tourists how to get out of the city. But everyone has known this for years – no point wasting breath on it.

    Over on Dawson Street, the former Costa premises has finally been replaced by another, higher class, coffee outfit. Priding themselves on a quality product and a quality service, this place has admirable notions, if not quite in relation to the planning process. Incredibly, unbelievably, in spite of the fuss surrounding the previous occupant and the refusal of permission for all of their external clutter, this operator hasn’t applied for planning permission either!

    Yes their signage is more muted, better designed, and their various accoutrements less obtrusive, but planning is planning. After many months of preparing and fitting out this store, it is truly remarkable they have not seen fit to apply for permission for their external alterations. And for what it’s worth, while their new signage is a decent stab at a fresh statement, at the end of the day, a sticky-up board frankly is not of sufficient design standard for this supposedly prestigious retail area. Not from a prissy conservation standpoint, but from a good design standpoint. A sign mounted on such a large expanse of wall demands a high relief, sculptural quality – not a laser-cut. flat-pack solution. Standards in this area of the city – deserving of a thread of its own – have been plmutting through the floor in recent years. Like the rest of the city centre, it’s getting close to a free-for-all out there, with nobody steering the ship.

    Inside, the flooring is just exquisite – beautiful tiles set in panels of dark timber. What a striking combination.

    Similarly, the ceilings are fresh and elegant, the lighting sharp and the counter set-up innovative.

    Less successful are the overly high partition walls clad in lavatory-like mosaic. They lend a clinical quality to the room, while obliterating one of the principal activities conducted in coffee places – watching other people buy coffee, and the frenetic activity that comes with it. Especially on a Sunday – what modicum of life that stirs in the place is hidden. Not good for the image. The mosaic is also too busy, clashing with the already frenzied floor. Timber would have been nicer.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the place trades anyway. The service is superb, the coffee the second best in Dublin, and the rocky roads even better than the surface of Dawson Street.

    #776187
    gunter
    Participant

    @GrahamH wrote:

    . . . . and the coffee the second best in Dublin,

    I bet it’s not Centra?

    #776188
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Exposed again 😮

    :p

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