The Tara Bypass – what they won’t tell you
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The third one would cost an unnatural amount of money and would look far worse than the M3 will as it currently will be.
Alternatively make the M3 a Spur off of the completed M(N)2 which is motorway grade as far as the Northside of Ashbourne to the M50. Continue as per the red lines marked in the map below (note that there is a plan already to continue the upgrade works on the N2 to Bypass Slane anyway).
Also look at the scale of the map in the bottom right corner and tell me that this area warrents 3 motorways through it.
Have to agree, 3 is crazy. It looks as if the N/M2 will be further upgraded to motorway / dual carriage way to meet with the new motorway corridor through northern ireland to the north west as part of final devolution deal (all paid for by irish gov.)
Shadow, 3 is an excellent idea – well worth investigating. Any idea how much it would add to the cost? (Mind you, we’re good for the extra cash. Worth paying whatever it is to keep the likes of Salafia delaying this project forever and to give the good burghers of Meath the same sort of motorway access to das kapital that everyone else is enjoying)
Sue
Meath Dublin and Kildare jointly top the motorway table with three each.
Why should Meath go top with 4?
As rory said the M2 could be modified or they could just reopen the rail line!
stilts? my God. Sue do you own land in Meath?
the likes of Salafia are trying to stop the likes of you from molesting Irish history and heritage.How exactly could I or anyone else “molest Irish history”? Try and have a little think before you commit your words to the interweb
Equally absurd, if slightly more linguistically coherent, is the idea that an elevated road could “molest Irish heritage”. The point of the stilts is to lift the motorway above Irish heritage (which in this case mainly costs of some dead dogs and kings).
oh good jesus sue, do you really think an elevated highway would have less impact on the landscape? The word “molest” was used because words such as destroy, vandalise, adversely impact, ruin etc etc have been overused. Nothing wrong with a bit of linguistic variety.
I can’t believe a supposedly mature adult who seems to have an interest in these issues could seriously come out with the statement that stilits would “lift the motorway above Irish heritage”. That’s enough to have you committed.
@Sue wrote:
How exactly could I or anyone else “molest Irish history”? Try and have a little think before you commit your words to the interweb
Equally absurd, if slightly more linguistically coherent, is the idea that an elevated road could “molest Irish heritage”. The point of the stilts is to lift the motorway above Irish heritage (which in this case mainly costs of some dead dogs and kings).
‘dead dogs and kings’?
Do you not realise what you’re saying? These remains are invaluable! They are the miniscule, vanishingly small fragment that has survived of the material of whole civilizations and cultures about which we know almost nothing. Don’t you have any interest in the world beyond how easy it is to drive about in, in your lifetime?
Every rib bone, jaw bone and tooth is a remarkable, priceless survival, a unique opportunity for knowledge. We don’t actually have time machines you know- we can’t just go back and get more of this stuff when we destroy it. It’s gone forever- and remains are not in abundance as you’ll probably try to say. You could fit everything that has survived of the pre-modern eras in Ireland into a small warehouse- that’s thousands and thousands of years of civilization, spoken for by a small warehouse! To destroy any of it is demented.
Sue
Get your nose back in the pig trough
What about sinking the road?
20 ft below street level and vista is undisturbed
They did it central park here 150 yrs ago and it works brilliantlyThere is no comparison between central park and the unique archaeological landscape of Tara
That is true
Its an idea to appease both sides
if the road is not seen then it would really be a win win, no?The road is not needed in the first place
All it is being built for is to continue the sprawl.
It should be stopped on the grounds of planning sanity if nothing else
@paul h wrote:
That is true
Its an idea to appease both sides
if the road is not seen then it would really be a win win, no?What, and will they sink the retail park that inevitably comes with it too??
And what about the Bewleys Historic Hill of Tara Hotel? Will That be underground also??
the unique archaeological landscape of Tara
Nonsense. Newgrange is unique. Tara has, so far, produced two minor monuments
thousands and thousands of years of civilization, spoken for by a small warehouse! To destroy any of it is demented.
Read that slowly again “to destroy ANY of it is demented”. This man wants us all to live in a museum, and wear white gloves all day….
Sue
Get your nose back in the pig trough
Your logic is so persuasive, Walker. I’ve competely changed my mind about the M3….
Fair play to John Gormley… he’s playing a blinder so far, completing ignoring the ranting, raving, hyping, lying, exaggerating and obfuscating of Tarawatch and Salafia. Their claim last weekend to have found “another” national monument on the M3 has been exposed for the charlatanism it is.
Bad news for you anti-M3 people….. the minister for the environment, the GREEN minister for the environment, might just let it stand!! :p
@Sue wrote:
Nonsense. Newgrange is unique. Tara has, so far, produced two minor monuments
The Tara area has probably got the highest density of National monuments in the state.
Dick has already binned 40 known monuments or had you forgotten?
I am starting to find your posts quite funny at this stage such is their polemical nature and emphasis on humour as oposed to fact!
I’ve heard VIZ are recruiting in a six figure package; I know the agent if you want a reference!
The Tara area has probably got the highest density of National monuments in the state
Justify this comment, if you dare. You might start by defining “area”, and you might also explain how you are excluding “areas” that have never been excavated.
Also explain why you are saying it “probably” has more monuments than such clearly archeologically rich “areas” as Wood Quay in Dublin, and Newgrange/Knowth
I don’t have access to the Duchas maps for obvious reasons but would suggest that the maps would display ring after ring of hatched circles.
To select Wood Quay is a lame tactic given the history of that site and you may be right on the World Heritage site at Newgrange which truely is a site of global importance having a comparable density of national monuments.
I would further add that the WMF has added Tara to the 100 most endangered sites watchlist.
But I challenge you to produce a Duchas map showing that the route destroys less than 40 national monuments.
P.S. can you please post outside office hours; some of us have work to do!!
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