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Unless it’s changed to Aras an Taoiseach… because of course nothing could be left in English in this Anglophobic State, could it
to be fair there is very little official use of Gaelic in the United Kingdom and dominions.
I think we could differentiate between once-off housing in scenic areas, and once-off housing elsewhere ( i.e. the midlands). We would all want t protect the scenic area os ireland, preferably as national parks. I think the monotony of the midlands is broken by once-offs, in fact.
If they should be charged more for the resources they consume, so be it ( that has in someways been the case anyway – water charges, higher phone bills etc.)
If you take each of those houses as having 3.5 people and 32,000 of them were built then 112,000 people left urban Ireland which from the CIA estimate of 4,015,676 people means that 2.79% of the total population moved into one offs. Given that this has been happeneing for it least 5 years at least 13% of the population have rejected an urban setting. If this persists for another 10 years you are looking at 40% of the population with new one off houses which would probably mean that 50% of the population would be rural.
I doubt thesestatistics, I am afraid. There is no way we get 3.5 people to a house, and so it is unlikely that 13% of the population is in one offs. If there were 3.5 people to a house, then the number of houses predicted to be built this year [90,000] would be enough to house 315,000 people more than last year: which is far ahead of demographic projections, even at the most extreme. The number of houses built over the last 5 years would be enough to house one million extra people, or thereabouts.
In fact it is almost impossible to see why demand is greater than supply countrywide unless there is substantial number of houses unoccupied – i.e as second houses not rented out.
Laws against this would reduce the price of housing, and reduce the number of one offs being built. Missing in Panda’s crazy screed is the fact that Irish people have generally historically lived in one-offs – i.e. cottages. If these older cottages, and bungalows, were not occupied for 2 weeks a year by the Dublin intelligentsia there would be little need for new once off housing as the original stock would become available.
Lastly, support for a GAA team is not “anti-patriotic”, and is no more tribal than local support for English or Italian soccer teams.
Has enybody seen the proposal. I did see it in the Indo, hence my Hacienda reference.
Tis not pretty.
Oh, for the love of God. I have often believed that the whole opposition to one-off houses, and “monstrosities” down the country is mere culchie bashing ( from people not opposed to the monstrosities , or one-offs, in either Howth, or Sorento road) and this thread proves it. Normally An Taisce can do no wrong. This time, when the Bishop of D4ism is destroying an old cottage of remarkable charm, An Taisce becomes the bad guys; and the country folk are backward once again.
A forum which is shocked, SHOCKED!, when the someone replaces some old windows in the third floor of a nondescript pub in a nondescript Irish country town, is not SHOCKED! if Bishop O’Toole needs more lebensraum and the country cottage is just too quaint for him: so he just must convert it into a Cal-Mex hacienda (but architect designed, roysh) from where he can pen more devasting attacks on Celtic Tiger materialism.
utter bollocks.
a gloriously ranting e-mail made it through to Pat Kenny this morning regarding the IAP works that really put the authorities to shame.
Graham , from Dundalk, perchance?
And where was robocop when we needed him and his see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil colleagues who proved themselves so brave when knocking the shite out of a gang of hippy schoolkids on Dame Street?
that was also a riot, it seems you want different treatment for the working classes and the anarchist mobs – class tribalism, I suspect. I am happy to see either get the shite kicked out of them if they damage the city centre and attack the police first: although, to be fair, the anarchists did not stop me shopping unlike this crowd.
. The Westfields Wetlands have been recognised as one of the few urban wetlands in Europe, any attempt to destroy them (which this plan effectively is) must be resisted
Oh we have one of those in dublin. Probably more common than you think, then.
Just saying, like.
Before we all abandon the thread, though, lets remember that it is really about something else entirely 🙂
I, for one, welcome the Fast Track legislation.
Sorry Thomond Park but that’s essentially a breach of Godwin’s law
Not quite, for he is talking about historical manipulation and not just making an unwarrented reference to Nazzism.
I disagree that PDLL is wrong historically , though, and I agree with him that there is some Dublin bias here, and the economic arguments againsty once offs are incorrect. Nevertheless I dont like these new McMansions either.
in fact I am much more favorable to bungalows, they weren’t all the spanish type, many were just modern cottages. It all depends where they are. Is the midlands being ruined by once off housing? The landscape is pretty – in a much blander way than the west – but it needs to be broken up occasionally. We dont need once offs in the very scenic areas, of course, particularly between the sea and the road.
Would people be happier if we had once offs with proper design?
Huh? Most calls are lo-call regardless of origin, certainly state services like the taxman and social welfare are lo-call (with a Dublin number provided if the office is in Dublin or whatever).
It is only recently that the numbers were free for government offices, or cost the local call. Most calls for people in rural Ireland are not local as they would have family dispersed all over the place, and the nearest place of business may not be in the local area code- even a call to a mere 10 miles away could easily be outside the local zone. While the 01 area is intact, the other area codes ( 02, 05 etc) are divided up. And if you live in the 0504 area you live with seven people and a sheep, and most of your calls are non-local. People who live in area codes with a few thousand people pay more, it stands to reason, than someone who lives in an area code with 1.25 million people. There is no subsidy.
If you have a job like forester or farmer, then fair enough you have to live in the country and few would argue that you should have to pay more for a phone connection than a city dweller even if it costs the phone company 10 times more to provide and maintain that service for you
if they used a mobile would it be ok? Rural people pay more for traditional phones as there is less people in their local zone compared to urban areas and they have to call urban areas for most offical calls: long distance to them, local to Dubliners.
An Post Loss 2003 €92m
School bus programme 100m
Non-National Road programme €900mAdd up the cost of Dublin city services, and the subsidy, and work out the exact benefit to someone living in Mayo of those services. The “Non-National Road programme €900m” arguenent is assine. You expect people down the country to pay into a tax program which benefits Dublin infrastructure only.
This is the stupidest argument ever. You seem to believe that the country’s tax take – including the tax for pensions etc – belongs to areas of high population density, as the area as a whole pays more into the pot: rather than working all this out ona per-capita basis.
The argument is a valid as claiming that someone who pays 10K a year into a private pension in Mayo is due less on retirement than a similar payee in Dublin, because Mayo paid less into the pension pot as a whole.
Old Age pension; police services health care etc
These things are of course, common to the polity as a whole and distributed equally through the State therefore. They would be federal in a federal system. It is absurd to argue that someone from Mayo should get a lower pension because Mayo as a whole contributes less to the pot than Dublin, you have to distinguish between taxes taken as redistributive measures and taxes taken to pay for services.
It is a statisitical fact that Urban Ireland i.e. Cork Dublin Limerick subsidise rural areas; as I keep stating most people in these cities have no problem with common benefits such as Old Age pension; police services health care etc
Not just untrue but the opposite of the case. The rural areas subsidise the city areas per capita. In other words – as should be obvious – someone paying the same tax in Dublin gets more back from the government in services in his area ( services that in many areas of the world are actually paid by city taxes) than someone living in Mayo. This includes subsidised transport, better hospitals, infrastructure, government services, free water, maintained parks etc.
In countries with Federal systems you pay more to live in cities as you get more back.
Surely the banal building on the left ( the one fronting Pearse) is the weak point.
The libeskind is very interesting and should be a draw.
Provided it doesn’t fall over, of course.
Unless you propose building over the public parks, which are not the same as green belts, I really don’t see where this space you are talking about is.
drive to Blancherdstown.
So what will be the country estate?
I wonder if we could expect haughey to gift that Island to the State, or even Kinseally in Dublin. Do the State some service.
Has the population density in Dublin increased so much since I was last there that they need to fill in a part of the docks?
We dont know when you were here last, but to answer the question generically, no, not the population density, but yes the population has increased dramatically. Everyone is living in Kildare.
I fear this decision will kill off Northern part of O’Connell street, for good.
