An Taisce savages journalist’s plans for extension
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@asdasd wrote:
…….is mere culchie bashing ( from people not opposed to the monstrosities , or one-offs, in either Howth, or Sorento road)
The concluding remark in your post above says it all about yor post. It’s not culchie bashing, the denizens of Sorrento Rd in general object to everything. Anyone who lives on Sorrento Rd and tried to do anything to their property has a planning nightmare from the local residents’ group or AT who appear to be opposed to any development. Nothing is achieved without years of planning and appeals, and even then success is not assured. The Edge tried to do an extension to his house and got mired in objections by AT, he gave up and moved house; Eddie Irvine’s house is architecturally interesting but looks like a geometric turd in that location, there is a guy on the corner of Sorrento trying to get permission for a garage for years; another on Sorrento Terrace resorted to excavating an underground garage to get parking. Pino Harris has a heap of pretentious crap and (deservedly) had huge difficulty on retention on various “features.” Van Morrisson and his neighbour have had huge rows with each other and the planners….. the list could go on, that’s just one end of Sorrento.
However, if you plan to build an art gallery you get AT’s blessing and PP . Then you live in it and refuse to open it to the public for security reasons. Learn from that, FOT!@asdasd wrote:
A forum which is shocked, SHOCKED!, when the someone replaces some old windows in the third floor of a nondescript pub in a nondescript Irish country town, is not SHOCKED! if Bishop O’Toole needs more lebensraum and the country cottage is just too quaint for him:
utter bollocks.Haha. 😀
Very amusing. But – in fairness I don’t think anyone on this forum condoned what FOT has proposed – I personally have no idea what it looks like. My point was that the intemperate language used had tainted the objection and that AT should therefore withdraw it (the objection).
I would hold the same view regardless of what was objected to. Objections whould be reasoned and reasonable. Terms such as criminal are neither and serve to reinforce the existing prejudice against AT and give ammunition to the multitudinous gombeens in their ceaseless propoganda.
(Er, you’r not one of them are you Asdad?)
Please asdasd – you’d churn out exactly the same post if AT were found to be supportive of O’Toole’s proposals.
utter bollocks
indeed.
@publicrealm wrote:
Haha. 😀
Very amusing. But – in fairness I don’t think anyone on this forum condoned what FOT has proposed – I personally have no idea what it looks like. My point was that the intemperate language used had tainted the objection and that AT should therefore withdraw it (the objection).
I would hold the same view regardless of what was objected to. Objections whould be reasoned and reasonable. Terms such as criminal are neither and serve to reinforce the existing prejudice against AT and give ammunition to the multitudinous gombeens in their ceaseless propoganda.
(Er, you’r not one of them are you Asdad?)
I think the phrase “have no idea what it looks like” might sum up a few things here. My personal hope is that, having seen what is a truly shocking architectural proposal in terms of its total disregard for the setting and the existing building, AT’s objection does not miff the planners to the point that it gets a permission. In the unlikely event that it does, it will undoubtedly go to ABP who will hopefully put it in the bin where it belongs
Has enybody seen the proposal. I did see it in the Indo, hence my Hacienda reference.
Tis not pretty.
An Taisce apologises to journalist for ‘crime’ label
From:The Irish Independent
Friday, 7th July, 2006AN TAISCE “unreservedly apologised” to journalist Fintan O’Toole last night for labelling his plan to more than quadruple the size of his second home as “criminal”.
And the organisation confirmed that it was withdrawing its controversial objection to the planned extension of the O’Toole holiday home, which is located just south of Ballyvaughan in the Burren, Co Clare.
The climbdown by An Taisce followed the sustained attack on the organisation in the Seanad on Wednesday over the language used in the objection.
The leader of the Seanad, Senator Mary O’Rourke (FF), commented that “if it had four feet, An Taisce would have shot itself in them”, while Senator Labhras O Murchu (FF) said that the preposterous language used in the objection shows a darker side to An Taisce.
The Clare Association of An Taisce formally objected to the Irish Times journalist’s plan.
It said it was “not in keeping with the landscape and could be likened to an infection on the west coast road, is unacceptable and criminal”.
Confirming that An Taisce wished to unreservedly apologise to Mr O’Toole, its director Gavin Harte said the submission made by the local Clare Association of An Taisce was “without the knowledge and approval of head office.
“An Taisce would agree with Mr O’Toole when he kindly suggested that the language used in this submission was wildly disproportionate. For this reason, An Taisce has instructed the Clare association to withdraw their submission.”
Mr Harte said that submissions from local associations of An Taisce “sometimes reflect a more emotional expression of planning matters as they are felt locally”.
An Taisce, he added, “would again like to apologise to Mr O’Toole for any difficulty we may have caused”.
Mr O’Toole said the inflated language used in the objection “allows the enemies of good planning to dismiss An Taisce’s legitimate concerns”.
Sen Brendan Daly (FF) told the Seanad on Wednesday: “An Taisce is showing the same face to Mr O’Toole that it has shown to all ordinary decent people in north Clare.”
Gordon Deegan
@hutton wrote:
Mr Harte said that submissions from local associations of An Taisce “sometimes reflect a more emotional expression of planning matters as they are felt locally”.
Mr O’Toole said the inflated language used in the objection “allows the enemies of good planning to dismiss An Taisce’s legitimate concerns”.
Seems like love and peace has broken out + that common sense is prevailing alll around 😉
It’s time to stop buying the line
By that dullard, Brendan O’ Connor, *yawn* –
SO, would you buy a used airline, a bit used (and abused) and slightly past its prime, from this lot? Of course we will. And they know we will. They know we’ll buy anything really. They know we might huff and puff a bit about things but eventually we’ll shut up and cough up. This is how much they know we’ll buy any old crap: they actually tried to sell us electronic voting again during the week.
Never mind that they tried to sell it to us once already and we pretty much bought it once already, until it became really clear just how crap it was. Never mind that we were all furious at being sold a pup. They have so little regard for our skills when it comes to caveat emptor that they actually tried to flog it to us again last week.
But we’ve no one to blame except ourselves. We keep buying Dunphy too, for example. When Dunphy announced during the week that he’s too tired for the commercial sector and that he’ll be retiring into the public sector to do an hour a week on Radio 1, they expected us to celebrate how we will now be contributing to his already sizeable income.
That’s how stupid they think we are. And they’re right. Because we’re buying it again.
And what about Fintan O’Toole. We continually buy whatever he’s peddling. Because he’s so well read and thoughtful. So when his own paper appears to turn on him by publishing An Taisce’s mildly angry comments about a gigantic new extension he’s building, to quadruple the size of a little cottage in the Burren, we buy that. And even when the apology comes the next day because of the publication of An Taisce’s comments, we buy that too. And when An Taisce says that it will not be objecting to what it previously thought was “criminal”, we buy that too.
So Fintan can now build a multiplex cinema in the middle of the Burren if he wants as far as An Taisce is concerned. And we buy that Fintan was a victim. Not that he would build a multiplex cinema. This is Fintan, so it’d be more like a little arthouse place, showing Three Colours Blue, preceded by an Iranian short.
Of course, our gullibility is grand most of the time, but sometimes it gets us in trouble. Because down the years we’ve bought a whole load of crap from Sinn Fein/IRA. Even though we all know they’re lying most of the time, we still buy their wares, out of embarrassment and a sense of obligation and because they convince people it’s all in a good cause.
Remember we nearly bought their line on Jean McConville. Remember we nearly bought an agreement that had no mention of Sinn Fein/IRA ending criminality. In fact, it was big bad Michael McDowell who looked at the fine print for us that time. Almost makes you hope he’s around the next time we’re buying anything from Gerry and his merry band of murderers.
So, a slightly used airline? That shouldn’t be a problem. You can count me in.
This story seems to keep trundling on. Gordon ‘Sindy'(cate) Deegan seems to have really fixed himself on this as an ace in the hole for the summer 😉
The Irish Times: Chairman of An Taisce in Clare offers to resign
The chairman of the Clare association of An Taisce yesterday offered to resign in response to the abuse heaped on the organisation in the recent past.
Oliver Moylan said if there was anyone in Co Clare who would like his position, he would gladly step aside. Mr Moylan’s offer follows the Clare association being forced to withdraw its objection to a plan by journalist Fintan O’Toole to extend his second home near Ballyvaughan after the organisation labelled the plan “criminal” and likened it to an infection on the Clare coast.
In the Seanad, An Taisce came under sustained attack, with Senator Brendan Daly (FF) claiming the organisation had harassed and made life miserable for the ordinary people of north Clare for years. Senator Labhrás Ó Murchú (FF) said the preposterous language used in the objection showed a darker side to the organisation.
The withdrawal of the objection followed Cllr PJ Kelly (FF) claiming at a Clare County Council meeting that An Taisce was Ireland’s only secret society that receives State recognition.
Yesterday, Mr Moylan said all An Taisce received for trying to protect Clare’s landscape “is unadulterated abuse”.
“I would like to emphasise to the people of Clare how difficult it is becoming to try and protect many of our beautiful areas. Some are gone beyond redemption and places like Kilkee, Lahinch and Fanore are cases in point. Protecting Lough Derg all along the east Clare side from unbridled development is becoming an impossible task.”
A Fianna Fáil member of Clare County Council had equated An Taisce to al-Qaeda and the CIA, he said. “Was it right or fair to put me and my colleagues in that category? Are we not due an apology from Bertie Ahern, leader of Fianna Fáil? I would like to say to the people of Clare that An Taisce’s concern is to pass on to the next generation our heritage and environment, as near possible as we inherited it. The first act the present Government did when it came to power was to remove An Taisce’s annual subvention of €170,000 per annum.”
Gordon Deegan© The Irish Times
The Phoenix: Fintan O’Toole’s country ‘cottage’
THE TWEEDIES in An Taisce were in a right state last week when it emerged that a submission on Fintan O’Toole’s plans to extend his country retreat contained the world “criminalâ€. However, the bad news for Fintan is that Frank Corcoran, Ian Lumley and the rest of the heritage posse still have a submission safely lodged. On top of this, the Irish Times columnist has to deal with sniping from his own colleagues in the IT.
When O’Toole lodged his plan to increase the area of his Ballyvaughan property from 39sq m to 180 sq m with a split level extension, it came to the attention of the Clare branch of An Taisce as would normally be the case. In that part of the country, Anny Wise, based in Shannon Town, is the long-term co-ordinator of the local committee and she lodged a routine submission objecting to the scale of the plan.
So far, so good. However Wise was then contacted by local (unnamed) residents who gave the offensive quote containing the references to an “infection†and describing the proposal as “criminalâ€. Bizarrely the words were then inserted into a second An Taisce submission. Head office in Dublin was unaware of the nature of the submission as only appeals are coordinated through Tailors’ Hall. There was consternation when the story appeared in the national papers, given the ongoing battle by An Taisce to fend off its growing numbers of critics – notably within Fianna Fáil – who saw to it that the conservation organisation was completely excluded from the new Heritage Trust.
The incendiary submission was immediately withdrawn by head office and an apology issued. Not surprisingly, a complete review of procedures is now taking place with vetting procedures to be put in place for submissions. But the first An Taisce submission remains in situ and O’Toole faces a long hard fight, especially given the concerns already expressed by Clare County Council.
Back in The Irish Times Fintan has other critics to deal with, notably fellow columnist John Waters, who penned a scathing piece this week clearly talking about Fintan and referring to “pseudodiscussion†driven by “metropolitanism, snobbery, spurious aesthetics, dinner party politics and a fundamental lack of perspective on what life is aboutâ€. He even refers to “one lofty Dublin-based commentatorâ€, quoting from a previous article penned by O’Toole defending An Taisce, before going on to “express solidarity with Fintan O’Toole with an address in Ballyvaughan who has recently attracted the attention of the busybodies in An Taisce because he seeks to extend his modest Co Clare property by some 462 per centâ€.
Ouch!
© The PhoenixSo was it a member of An Taisce that rang Wise using those words and then Wise or Oliver Moylan who put it in a second submission?
According to the articles above Oliver Moylan had nothing to do with it.
Thomond Park can state for the record that Oliver Moylan is a Munsterman of the highest calibre and integrity and is a credit to everyone who he is involved with.
Irish Times wrote:CLARE COUNCIL BROKE PLANNING RULES
Gordon Deegan
Wed, Sept. 27, 2006An Bord Pleaná]
That is a good decision at Bord level but really you must wonder why they hire qualified planners in some counties; McGrath Company Seals of Lombard Street East would do the stamps a lot cheaper; in fact you must wonder why the entire function isn’t outsourced to Bangalore on cost grounds for some counties.
Shocking
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