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@Praxiteles wrote:
And also see article no. 7 in the list of published material. It has an excellent account of Pugin’s St. Michael’s Church, Gorey, Co. Wexford.
yes brilliant article that
@Rhabanus wrote:
Might the crowns have been placed on the figures for certain feasts (e.g. Assumption, Immaculate Conception? Local Marian feasts) or special occasions (May crowning, commemoration of a military victory, e.g. Lepanto or Vienna)?
Are the crowns kept in the sacristy or a treasury, or has all trace of them been lost?
Don’t know anything about that. The position of the statue isn’t very satisfactory to say the least.
@Antipodes wrote:
There is at least one example of Pugin installing medieval elements in Ireland. His holy water stoup at the public entrance to the chapel of the former Presentation Convent, Waterford, is composed of medieval fragments. Sadly, the right side has been mutilated by part of a later porch and the pipe at the left doesn’t add much either.
interesting. So I see they’re going ahead with turning the Convent into a private medical ‘centre’ or whatever they call it. I haven’t kept informed about it, so I wonder what will happen the chapel? We all know being a protected structure means less than nothing nowadays, when private enterprise is involved.
@Praxiteles wrote:
On the subject of authenticity, if memory serves me correctly, the High Altar in St. Mary’s Cathedral in Limerick is the original altar of the Cathedral. It was discovered buried in the grounds of the Cathedral during works in th 19th century -having been dragged out by the Cromwellian iconoclasts. Perhaps someone could verify that.
Yes I believe that’s correct. I also recall it being said of it that it’s one of the longest surviving medieval altar tops in Ireland or Britain. Currently there’s a beautiful celtic tapestry hung on the altar face;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/1535228887/sizes/l/in/set-72157602353759472/
@Praxiteles wrote:
The architect of St. Mary’s Thomastown wasJJ. McCarthy. The church was built between 1869-1872. Jeanne Sheehy notes that McCarthy re-used the altar from Jerpoint Abbey in his original scheme for the church. Apparently, that altar has disappeared. As to the font, presumably this was another authentic Gothic element of McCarthy’s scheme perhaps also from Jerpoint or some other local mediaval ruin. It really is a disgrace beyond words to see this font used as a flower box.
Interesting. It has a few similarities to the group of large medieval churches in Ossory, (Thomastown, Gowran, Kilkenny) which Stalley talks about in one of his books. Lancets at both ends rather than the usual single large traceried window usually present – it doesn’t seem to pay any homage to Jerpoint as far as I can see, even though they used it’s altar.
I notice Pugin’s church in Ramsgrange meanwhile, has elements present in the neaby Cistercian Dunbrody – specifically the triple lancets.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Thanks Ake. What an interesting Round Tower.
Presumably, inspired by St.Canice’s?
Here’s a look at the parish church in Thomastown, Kilkenny
It’s interior has many of the features you’ll find the Puginesque churches of the South East; but here rather than granite columns we’re treated to beautiful Kilkenny Marble piers;
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The North side chapel/parish arboretum has two interesting features;
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First this;
“All the post-Reformation chapels down to 1867 stood within Thomastown chapel graveyard. The venerable old chapel of the penal times was taken down about 1770 after the late parish chapel, in use until 1867 had been built over and around it. A prominent place in both these chapels was held by beautifully carved oak statue of the virgin and child, said to have been brought from Spain by Patrick Lincoln a wine merchant of Thomastown who died in 1666. Mr Lincoln’s widow Mrs Mary Lincoln otherwise Dobbin who died in 1709 presented the statue with crowns of silver in 1705… The statue has always held a place of prominence in the churches since 1705.”
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And then this; what looks to be an old font, rehabilitated for use as an indoor garden water feature.
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Here’s the altar with a good plaster reredos.
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And some lovely glass
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Large version; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/2442210149/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Looks like every window has protective glazing
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@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Church of Ireland launches stained glass database
Archiseek / Ireland / News / 2008 / April 23A new database recording stained glass windows in Church of Ireland churches will be launched next Monday at the Irish Architectural Archive. Named ‘Gloine’ (glass), the new database will allow users to search for windows by church or architect’s name, geographical location, names of stained glass artists and studios, dates, religious subject-matter and other categories.
sounds great
@Rhabanus wrote:
Unfortunate, too, is the style of the light fixtures or globes. Domestic rather than ecclesiastical.
Note the statue standing forlornly on the table beneath the sanctuary lamp, just outside the sanctuary. Is it the Immaculata?
What are the green squares on the wall of the Epistle side of the sanctuary?
What might have been in the three arches above the window in the south transept?
Any photos of the church “in younger and happier days”? Ireland was particularly good about recording the glory of her churches.
The lights are terrible, as usual. The green squares are children’s drawings, what else.
Here’s an interesting church; Kilrossanty Parish church, in Co.Waterford at the foot of the Comeraghs. Built c 1840. The roof, I don’t know if it’s original, is interesting. The diocese website says the church was ‘reroofed’ in the 1990’s.
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re The Twin Churches of Wexford;
some detailed info ;
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/Surveys/Buildings/BuildingoftheMonth/
That links here;
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WX®no=15505043
@Praxiteles wrote:
And then we have the oragami wonder of the western world -the Capilla en Valleaceron Southern Spain by Sancho-Madridejos!
I like it. What is that stone I wonder.
@james1852 wrote:
I have a watercolour painting of the interior dating from around 1886 when the stenciling was carried out . It shows the columns in a golden colour above the Stations , with a marblized brown granite effect from the top of the stations down to the base.
Very interesting. So the columns were only painted blue sometime after 1886. I would love to see the Cathedral absent of such a stupid vandalism.
Any chance you could put an image on here of the watercolour?
please?
@pipedreams wrote:
Nice to see an organ there again. The back would have been ideal, but they placed it in a more practical place for religious services, but they also moved a rood screen to put the organ in position it is now:
http://www.youghal.cork.anglican.org/clerks/organ/I hadn’t realised that. Makes it rather worse.
@Rhabanus wrote:
Thanks for posting this colourised picture of Waterford Cathedral.
Am I correct in distinguishing a gallery (galleries) in the transept?
I do not see Stations of the Cross; perhaps they begin only further down in the nave.
I am intriqued by the tabernacle in the centre of the high altar. Might this have been arranged toward the end of the nineteenth century or the beginning of the twentieth century? It seems odd to me that a cathedral in 1792 would have had the tabernacle in the centre (Seems a bit early to me). Of course, circumstances peculiar to Ireland at that time may have suggested this arrangement. Any ideas?
Yes indeed they are galleries. The long transepts both have beautiful galleries. Are these the original Georgian galleries? I presume they are, in part at least, but I still haven’t come across any detailed literature on the building so can’t say for certain.; (in the below pictures, see what an immense difference would be made to the interior simply by painting the columns the same yellow)
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As for the altar arrangement, look at this image, posted before
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This is from the National Library, and apparently dates from 1890-1910. Which would suggest that it is rather earlier than the coloured picture. The altar seems unchanged, but look at the altar rails; the central gates are gone. In the colour image they appear to be intact. So…I don’t know.
A peculiar thing in the colour image is the wall decoration just above the gallery in the transept- criss crossing lines (?!)
@PTB wrote:
I’ve encountered the same problem, even though I was with a group of architects who clearly wanted to see the Chapel and who would have been greatly privleged to see the cuilding. Honestly, how hard can it be to open the place every morning and close it again in the evening?
Here we have it; really the finest surviving 17th century building in Ireland, one of the finest buildings in Ireland, period, with the best and one of the most extensive works of wood carving from the 17th and 18th centuries, which stands comparison to anything in Britain from the same time, a criteria rarely fulfilled. Besides that, an extremely beautiful and important set of set of historic interiors;
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The other suite of unique historic rooms was destroyed by the Irish Museum of Modern Art, in order to showcase their compositions of triangles and squares as well as other geometric shapes.
So while half of the Royal Hospital (the wrecked half) is open, all year round as a public museum, the other half, of huge interest, is generally locked up, closed from the public, not only when the rooms are in private use, but also during the time in between.
It is outrageous that these gimmicky corporate conferences and shows are permitted here, with the literally hundreds of far more suitable arenas availible in Dublin, including dozens of purposely built conference centers- but to keep these national treasures closed to the public, while they are actually located in a public museum, is beyond the pale.
Aren’t these still in State Ownership? Is the OPW actually so broke they need to whore out these national monuments for revenue?
here’s an interesting picture; a colour photograph of Waterford Cathedral, before the removal of the stenciling. Notice the columns are already blue. It would be interesting to know the chronology of the interior decoration. What was the original Georgian decoration scheme?
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/sets/72157601824128711/
