reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Thanks, ake, for the photos of Thomastown, Kilkenny.
Too bad about the conversion of the venerable old font into a jardiniere before the garishly painted Sacred Heart.
Does anyone know what happened to the silver crowns that once adorned the Madonna and Child?
How odd that the carved wooden statue of the Blessed Virgin stands off to the side, while the gaudy statue of the Sacred Heart dominates the Greenhouse.
All those electric cords constitute a safety hazard.
Was that side chapel once decorated by stencilling? Must have been a pleasant space before its redevelopment as a botanical garden.@ake wrote:
Here’s a look at the parish church in Thomastown, Kilkenny
It’s interior has many of the features you’ll find the Puginesque churches of the South East; but here rather than granite columns we’re treated to beautiful Kilkenny Marble piers;
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The North side chapel/parish arboretum has two interesting features;
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First this;
“All the post-Reformation chapels down to 1867 stood within Thomastown chapel graveyard. The venerable old chapel of the penal times was taken down about 1770 after the late parish chapel, in use until 1867 had been built over and around it. A prominent place in both these chapels was held by beautifully carved oak statue of the virgin and child, said to have been brought from Spain by Patrick Lincoln a wine merchant of Thomastown who died in 1666. Mr Lincoln’s widow Mrs Mary Lincoln otherwise Dobbin who died in 1709 presented the statue with crowns of silver in 1705… The statue has always held a place of prominence in the churches since 1705.”
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And then this; what looks to be an old font, rehabilitated for use as an indoor garden water feature.
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Here’s the altar with a good plaster reredos.
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And some lovely glass
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Large version; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/2442210149/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Looks like every window has protective glazing
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Might the crowns have been placed on the figures for certain feasts (e.g. Assumption, Immaculate Conception? Local Marian feasts) or special occasions (May crowning, commemoration of a military victory, e.g. Lepanto or Vienna)?
Are the crowns kept in the sacristy or a treasury, or has all trace of them been lost?
On the Australian Pugin Foundation, Praxiteles is happy to post a link with a number of very interesting articles of various aspects of Pugin’s oeuvre not only in Australia but also in Britain and Ireland. Of particular note here is the excellenct article on Pugon’s use of the Perdendicular Gothic, something not usually associated with him.
Here is the link:
And also see article no. 7 in the list of published material. It has an excellent account of Pugin’s St. Michael’s Church, Gorey, Co. Wexford.
@Rhabanus wrote:
Might the crowns have been placed on the figures for certain feasts (e.g. Assumption, Immaculate Conception? Local Marian feasts) or special occasions (May crowning, commemoration of a military victory, e.g. Lepanto or Vienna)?
Are the crowns kept in the sacristy or a treasury, or has all trace of them been lost?
Don’t know anything about that. The position of the statue isn’t very satisfactory to say the least.
@Praxiteles wrote:
And also see article no. 7 in the list of published material. It has an excellent account of Pugin’s St. Michael’s Church, Gorey, Co. Wexford.
yes brilliant article that
re St. Macartan’s Re-ordering
http://www.parishofclontibret.com/churches.htm#clontibret
“The tabernacle was formerly in St Macartan’s Cathedral, Monaghan, prior to the renewal of the Cathedral sanctuary during the 1980s.”
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
re St. Macartan’s Re-ordering
http://www.parishofclontibret.com/churches.htm#clontibret
“The tabernacle was formerly in St Macartan’s Cathedral, Monaghan, prior to the renewal of the Cathedral sanctuary during the 1980s.”
At least we know where it is when it will come to putting it back where it belongs.
I am told that the altar and several other features from Armagh are in th parish church of Derrynoose.
@ake wrote:
yes brilliant article that
It would be worth having all the collection of articles by Brian Andrews – a very notable Pugin scholar.
@Praxiteles wrote:
At least we know where it is when it will come to putting it back where it belongs.
I am told that the altar and several other features from Armagh are in th parish church of Derrynoose.
That church seems to be permanently shut.. I’ve stopped several times to try and get pics, but the place has always been deserted!
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Really – will have a look and see if i can get in
Just to clarify – I mean’t the one at Derrynoose..
Just take a look at what the pussy-cat has just dragged in:
TKB-Southgate Associates work on historic Neo-Gothic Cathedral, Cork
St. Coleman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Cork is a landmark neo-gothic building in the early French Decorated Gothic style overlooking Cork harbour. Described as the most ambitious and costly ecclesiastical building of the Victorian era. Began in 1868 it was the work of E.W. Pugin, G. Ashilin and T. Coleman and was not completed until 1915. It is the Roman Catholic Cathedral for the Diocese of Cloyne. TKB Southgate Associates are involved in the conservation of the building from mosaic restoration to addressing falling damp issues.
The “falling damp issues, as are they are sweetly called, refer to the collapse of part of the south arcade last Christmas eve – an incident denied by the “patients” populating the Cloyne diocesan Zauberberg.
However, netting has now been installed on the south arcade as a safety precaution, we are told.
It appears that TKB Southgarte Associates will be dealing with disintegrating mosaic work, the delapidated doors, and what is described as works to the Cathedral doors. I seem to recall having mentioned much of this at least two years ago and note the absence of any mention of an intention to address the deplorable state of the Cathedral baptistery.
I hope TKB South Gate Associates realize that they are in for a rough ride unless the FOSCC is satisfied that what they propose to do is up to best conservation satndards. Otherwise, we will be looking forward to Midleton II.
Now here is a statement from the company prospectus about conservationa dn development. I am wondering of this might not have some “application” in the Cobh Cathedral project:
“Planning and Development Advice
We are able to assist clients through the planning process based upon our range of skills and experience. Using a Conservation Plan approach to establish an understanding of a designated site, it is possible to show that new development and conservation need not be mutually exclusive and that sympathetic solutions exist for sensitive sites”.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Just take a look at what the pussy-cat has just dragged in:
TKB-Southgate Associates work on historic Neo-Gothic Cathedral, Cork
St. Coleman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Cork is a landmark neo-gothic building in the early French Decorated Gothic style overlooking Cork harbour. Described as the most ambitious and costly ecclesiastical building of the Victorian era. Began in 1868 it was the work of E.W. Pugin, G. Ashilin and T. Coleman and was not completed until 1915. It is the Roman Catholic Cathedral for the Diocese of Cloyne. TKB Southgate Associates are involved in the conservation of the building from mosaic restoration to addressing falling damp issues.
The “falling damp issues, as are they are sweetly called, refer to the collapse of part of the south arcade last Christmas eve – an incident denied by the “patients” populating the Cloyne diocesan Zauberberg.
However, netting has now been installed on the south arcade as a safety precaution, we are told.
It appears that TKB Southgarte Associates will be dealing with disintegrating mosaic work, the delapidated doors, and what is described as works to the Cathedral doors. I seem to recall having mentioned much of this at least two years ago and note the absence of any mention of an intention to address the deplorable state of the Cathedral baptistery.
I hope TKB South Gate Associates realize that they are in for a rough ride unless the FOSCC is satisfied that what they propose to do is up to best conservation satndards. Otherwise, we will be looking forward to Midleton II.
Hope there’s enough netting to cover all the “patients” in the Zauberberg. This has the makings of a good Father Brown detective novel ala Chesterton.
As for the double-edged sword of conservation and planning new development, Rhabanus is reserving judgement. In the words of Laocoon (via Vergil): Quidquid id est timeo Danaos – et dona ferentis!
I wonder is this the same Christ Southgate as TKB Southgate Associates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3UaQAQLq4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYukC5uvao&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MECUE7cKFk&feature=related
And a little more on the restoration of Dunboy Castle by Chris Southgate and Associates:
http://www.cornerstoneconstruction.ie/dunboy.html
Just like Tweety Birs, I thought I heard a putty cat as C. Southgate spoke in that second You Tube clip. Did Tweety Bird hear the name of John Lynch float by? Well, Cornerstone Construction did confirm indeed that RKD architects were on the job at Dunboy – and who should be a fellow in company by one John Lynch who has already featured on Archiseek.
As the “Patzienten” in the Cloyne diocesan Zauberberg have not gone beyond telling us that they have dispensed with the services of the great Professor Cathal O’Neill as architect for the “conservation” of Cobh Cathedral, Praxiteles wonders whether the local architects now employed on this project willò not turn out to be RKD Architects and our old friend John Lynch? Keep tuned, as they say, for further news.
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