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  • in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772068
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    off topic, I called in to the Loreto convent in rathfarham and was told the place was empty, the only person inside being a security guard at night, so no access to the chapel (someone at the gate lodge building told me that). I presume I was given the right info. Anyone know anything about the inside of the chapel what state it’s in?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772065
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    @tomahawk wrote:

    The silent majority do not view it as destruction!

    what suggests this exactly? Whenever I talk to everyday churchgoers, all around the country, and ask them what they think of re-orderings like that proposed for Cobh they respond overwhelmingly negativley occasionally indifferently, and never positively that I can recall. I imagine it’s the same in this parish and diocese. There’s also the issue of the experts on victorian architecture opposing the the changes on heritage conservation grounds and the adverse effect on hugely signigifcant all but unique piece of architecture in ireland.

    how can you back up the view that this a valiant struggle on behalf of the majority of the common people against a troublesome minority?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772064
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Cngratulations to Randal Hodginson on what looks like a superb piece of restoration in the Redemptorist church in Limerick.

    Praxiteles believes that there will soon be a business expansion in this line of work as soon as we can finally shuffle off the few remaining liturgical dinausaurs left over from the 1970s.

    Keep up the good work.

    fantastic

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771963
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    interesting thanks for that.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771942
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Well, J. Turpin lists the following in his catalogue raisonné:

    78: Pietà, St. Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, Dublin, c. 1831. Pryamidal composition deriving from Michaelangelo’s Pietà in St. peter’s and from Canova’s at Possagno. Comissioned by Archdeacon Flanagan, himself a sculptor, for the new church built by John Leeson 1829-1834, it and two flanking angels were imported from Rome. This is a unique composition in Hogan’s oeuvre and caused a sensation in Rome and established his reputation in Ireland. Hogan received £150 for the commission.

    85: Pietà, plaster, in the Crawford Art Gallery Cork, 1842. This is the cast from which the Ballymarn, Loreto and St. Saviour’s Pietà were cut. Hogan’s sister-in-law, Silvia Bevignani, is said to have served as a model for Our Lady. The dead Christ figure resembles the figure of Christ in St. Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, Dublin. Still mercifully in place despite the iconoclasm.

    86: Pietà, marble, Ballymyrn 1843.

    87: Pietà, marble, Loreto Abbey, Rathfarnam, 1843. Cannot say if this survived the closure of the convent. Mentioned in A. Crookshank, Apollo, 1966, p.312, and in H. Potterton, Irish Art and Architecture, p. 218.

    98: Pietà, marble St. Saviour’s, Domnick Street, 1857.Received £250 for the commission. Mecifully, it just about survived Austin Flannery’s devastation of St. Saviour’s interior.

    Four variants of the Pietà are also extant:

    1. St. John the Baptist, Blackrock, Co. Dublin
    2. Sts Peter and Paul’s, Balbriggan, Co. Dublin.
    3. St. Patrick’s Church, Dungarvan, Co Waterford -done by Scannell.
    4. Loreto Convent, Balbriggan, believed to by Parnell.

    The Pietà motiv containing Our Lady, however, should not be confused with the Cristo Morto (Dead Christ) motiv which does not. Of the latter, there are four versions: Carmelites, Clarendon Street, Dublin (1829); a plaster in the Crawford Gallery Cork (1832); the South Parish in Cork (1832); Basilica of St. John in St. John’s, Newfoundland (1853).

    thanks for that. I’ll be in Dublin later this month and I’ll be calling in to the Loreto rathfarnham, see if I can get in the chapel.

    in reply to: Convention centre #713682
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    In fairness the docklands is a disgrace.

    Just look at this, a stone’s throw up the river from the CC on the opposite bank;

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    urban sprawl? density? commuter? traffic? transport? encroaching suburbs?

    Wasn’t there some sort of talk about some of these things a while back?

    oh and the PWC was white in the render on their hoarding;

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    it was a tad dirty by the time i took that pic!

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771938
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    John Tupin’s Catalogue Raisonné of John Hogan, no 86, describes this work as a Pietà executed in 1843 for John Maher, MP (Wexford) and erected in the church at, Ballymarn (sic), Crossbeg, Co. Wexford, in memory of his daughter Margaret Maher 1808-1838. Hogan noted final payment of £110 received in November 1843 (UCD: MS no. 4179). There is no doubt that the relief is by Hogan.

    brilliant. thought so. Is it true there is a third version of this work somewhere? or was is only two?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771934
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    I came across this little church recently in Ballymurn; it’s in south/central county Wexford,a townland somewhere near the Slaney.

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    Pity about the groovy lanterns. It can boast of this wonderful sculpture, set under the altar;

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    This is of course the pietá by Hogan, another copy of which is in St.Saviours, Dominic Street- it somehow survived the onslaught. Now I’ve heard hearsay that this is actually by the hand of Hogan himself and not a second hand copy by a different sculptor, and the quality would suggest so. Can anybody confirm that? A local family, the Mahers, were apparently responsible for such adornements.
    Outside, they had their mortuary chapel built, and a what a beauty it is;

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    Hearsay again tells me that this is by Pugin – Augustus himself. Is this true? It’s a lovely little miniature – and there is stained glass in the little windows.

    Anyone got the info?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771915
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    The magnificent franciscan church in Roscrea

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    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771914
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    I wonder will they ever finish it

    in reply to: Convention centre #713613
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    Viewed from down the river a bit it looks quite good. well maybe that’s bit strong of a word. it’s something anyway.

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    but from straight on the facade is atrociously boring, for the size of it

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    the corners specifically

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771907
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    Frankly, the man is a fiend.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771798
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    @Antipodes wrote:

    This is indeed a Pugin altar and reredos, and a very significant one. It is one of a small number of his designs for winged altars based on his observations in Central Europe. Its brilliant colours follow the rules of heraldry, as did his flat decorations, and it is thankfully intact. The design closely resembles his later illustration of an altar in his 1841 edition of ‘Contrasts’, as well as an unexecuted design of 1839 for the Lady Altar in St Chad’s Cathedral, Birmingham.

    St Peter’s College shelters other Pugin altar treasures, namely, the two rood screen altars from the demolished screen of the chapel. Both are in storage. The one formerly on the north side of the screen has a reliquary of St Aidan set into the front.

    wonderful picture! this chapel is too overlooked. I’ve just come across an old picture of it with the rood screen intact, it’s in a new book just published about Wexford. If I can’t find it online maybe I’ll scan it in and post it.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771797
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Has anybody seen the efforts of the OPW on the Skellig Michael and particularly their apparent efforts to rebuild the monastic site there? I wonder whether this might not be another example of the kind of thing that we saw in relation to their efforts to rebuild Cormac’s Chapel.

    I haven’t been there, but about a year ago I came across this video on youtube, criticising what the OPW have done here;

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GpXgBveqnjY

    It’s inevitable when the whole approach is geared towards tourism; any conservation programme that admits any motive of tourist dollars is immediately a danger to heritage. Heritage is not a commodity (should not be) and no justification, like ‘tourism for the economy’ is required for spending money on conservation, if the heritage has any value of itself in the first place.

    ake
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    I fear not!

    Am I to understand this is a Pugin designed reredos?

    (St.Peter’s College Chapel, Wexford)

    http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=images&county=WX&regno=15504014

    ake
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    I don’t know if this was posted before so I’ll just post it again if it was;

    Pugin reredos restored at Leeds Cathedral

    http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/01/pugin-reredos-restored-at-leeds.html

    And some fantastic pics of Leeds C. here

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/paullew/sets/72157603655443127/

    Have any similar Pugin designed reredos survived in Ireland?

    ake
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    In Four Courts Press recent book on the Gothis Revival in Ireland there is an very interesting article on the development of St. Peter’s Phibsborough written by Chhristine Casey. It gives a fairly in depth account of the long building history of the church together with the architects involved: the early quasi unknown architect of the first Gothic church, Goldie, and Ashlin and Colman. Curprisingly, her iconography is a little shakey here and there: e.g. the refernce to the Tiara and Crossed Keys which should have been surprising in a church dedicated to St. Peter since both represent papal authority conveyed to St Peter by Christ and transmitted to his successors (which might have ad a conpemporary baring on matters in the 19th century given the position of the papacy in the Piemontine state subsequent to 1870). Also, a reference to an “Altare Priviligatum” expresses no particular connection with the Holy See since the “priviligatum” attached to Masses said at that altar which attracted (under certain coircumstances) an indulgence applicaple to the faithful departed. Such purgatorial priviliges were widespread.

    must have a look at that

    ake
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    @Paul Clerkin wrote:

    Holy Cross before restoration.

    The Building News, Dec.18th. 1891
    Drawn by Samuel P. Close A.R.I.A.I. Architect

    lovely

    ake
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    any graphics of that?

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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Ake!
    of Munich and display several of the typical historicizing vignettes to which Ake has alert our attention.

    Looking at the manner in which the stencilling abruptly ends when it reaches the nave walls, I am inclined to think that underneath the modern paint scheme one is likely to find further stencilling. The present contrast between the nave and sanctuary is far to abrupt to suggest that it is an original feature.

    but how would this come about? why would they leave the decoration in the sanctuary intact?

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