reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Point taken, but the ‘foundation’ appears in the parish website to equate with what amounts to a ‘parish council’ – with teeth and many female members! Yes, the building really is a bit of a shocker!
Johnglas!
If you regard the Herz-Jesu in Munich as a bit of a schoker, then try this: The Christkirche in Donau Ufer in Vienna: completed in 2000
http://austria-360.at/wien/page-donaucity_k2.html
I am particularly amused by the woodworm style windows. They have a sort of unintended re-assurance that this kind of horror is subject to the rust of time.
Here is some more information:
I really don’t know what to make of it – the Bladerunner Memorial perhaps? The encomium heaped on it by the reviewer places me in some parallel but uncomprehending universe. The cenotaph-like altar does I suppose hark back to the catacombs, but the whole thing is too dystopic by half.
The Andrej Wejchert cemetery chapel at (?) Newlands in Dublin is a much better effort at this kind of thing, and it was avowedly ‘non denominational’.Or, try this
The Herz-Jesu Kirche in Volklingen in the diocese of Trier built 2001
@johnglas wrote:
The problem is, they are not necessarily bad buildings, they are just terrible churches.
No doubting that!
And here is another example.
This time the Chapel of St. Ignatius at Seattle, Washington, USA by architect Stephan Holl
http://www.stevenholl.com/project-detail.php?type=educational&id=40&page=0
That one definitely strays too far into the profane. It feels more like a jewellery store than a church.
If I might divert the topic slightly for a moment, what are people’s views on the placing of the choir in the organ loft of a Catholic church? I’ve been trying to establish the emergence of the placement, as distinct from a triforium or a rood loft. It seems to be a Victorian innovation, but I’d be happy to hear if anyone can point me towards some earlier precedents.
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Here’s an old print for the church-heads 😉
A private chapel by G.C. Ashlin
I take it the prototype is Cormac’s Chapel. Any idea if it were ever byuit?
Lawyer!
Here is an example of the use of the seventh candle to denote jurisdiction. It is from the Papal Mass of Wednesday April 2, 2008 on the third aanivesary of Pope John Paul II’s death.
Note the candle immediately behind the crucifix. This is what was missing in CObh on 25 March last.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Lawyer!
Here is an example of the use of the seventh candle to denote jurisdiction. It is from the Papal Mass of Wednesday April 2, 2008 on the third aanivesary of Pope John Paul II’s death.
Note the candle immediately behind the crucifix. This is what was missing in CObh on 25 March last.
OK!
Was the candle on the Epistle side of the Altar during the Mass in Cobh on 25 March ’08, then, the bugia (Fr. “bougie”)?
I thought that the bugia is always supposed to be held to the right of the book. The point of it, after all, is to cast light on the text of the missal. I did not notice that the stray candle was inserted into a bugia on the altar, hence I assumed that it was the seventh candle inserted into a large candlestick and lowered behind the freestanding altar for lack of space on the mensa. Perhaps the angle of the camera accounts for some of the confusion.
In either case, that candle between the first and second candlestick on the Epistle side seems to be in the wrong place. These ceremonial objects ought to be positioned correctly if they are going to be used at all; and for the record, Rhabanus supports the use of both the bugia and the seventh candlestick whenever and wherever appropriate.
And then we have the oragami wonder of the western world -the Capilla en Valleaceron Southern Spain by Sancho-Madridejos!
@Praxiteles wrote:
And then we have the oragami wonder of the western world -the Capilla en Valleaceron Southern Spain by Sancho-Madridejos!
I like it. What is that stone I wonder.
It’s concrete. Chapels often seem to be much more successful projects than churches – the smaller floorplate makes the necessary verticality far easier to achieve without inviting monumentalism.
@Rhabanus wrote:
OK!
Was the candle on the Epistle side of the Altar during the Mass in Cobh on 25 March ’08, then, the bugia (Fr. “bougie”)?
I thought that the bugia is always supposed to be held to the right of the book. The point of it, after all, is to cast light on the text of the missal. I did not notice that the stray candle was inserted into a bugia on the altar, hence I assumed that it was the seventh candle inserted into a large candlestick and lowered behind the freestanding altar for lack of space on the mensa. Perhaps the angle of the camera accounts for some of the confusion.
In either case, that candle between the first and second candlestick on the Epistle side seems to be in the wrong place. These ceremonial objects ought to be positioned correctly if they are going to be used at all; and for the record, Rhabanus supports the use of both the bugia and the seventh candlestick whenever and wherever appropriate.
The candle was the bugia but it was handled by an MC who had not a clue what to do with it or where to put it!
Speaking of Chapels, here is another case to be studied carefully:
The Kapel Heilige Maria der Engelen, Rotterdam in the Netherlands by Mechanoo Architecten (2000)
Just looking at all those beny walls makes me wonder if there might not be some connection between this and the bendy glass wall chapel of the Bons Secours in Galway shown here recently?
Some items posted on Youtube on the happenings in Cobh on 25th March last. They give a fairly good idea of the the sanctuary in Cobh Cathedral is intended to operate:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=T77cEfekNp4
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Bbqxmf62U&feature=user
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