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@Tuborg wrote:
The Opera Centre debacle takes yet another comical twist!:rolleyes:
I think its a shocking indictment of the shoddy standards in the planning office at City Hall that the board are now looking for more detailed plans. The city planners of course were only too happy to allow this development go through unaltered, with barely any consideration given to the irreparable damage that would be inflicted upon historic building stock!:rolleyes:
I wouldn’t exactly have much sympathy for the loss of rates that the council are suffering, I’d be far more concerned about the battering the city centre’s image is taking as a result of the vast swathe of neglected, boarded up buildings!
Of course if the council had their priorities right, they wouldn’t have allowed this ridiculous situation to develop where tenants were ordered to vacate their premises years before any development took place!:mad:
My sentiments exactly. Madness to dispose/vacate of all the buildings on the premise of ‘something on paper’ ( read previous post) .Greedy people; now all business will/are suffering (including A.Q.) dare I even mention those on Rutland St, Patrick St, Ellen St etc Really, is this a joke,? ABP are playing a game! Is there anyone out there with an answer /brains to accommodate all the needs? I don’t think so, and this forum is now just a ‘lip service’ for those who just wish to nose around (including most of all the insiders).
Can we win. Retain.Regain = don’t think so.
@shanekeane wrote:
What exactly do you want to knock down? All the Georgian buildings on Patrick Street, Rutland Street, and Ellen Street? And are you suggesting that a car park would not be an eyesore?
It is IMO evident that the Opera Cenre will not happen for some time – if ever. What will happen to the buildings during the long wait, they will deteriate beyond redemption or worse still fall down. No-one seems to care how businesses in the area are being effected by the total lack of concern these boarded up builidngs are having on them. Of course I don’t want to see another eyesore such as a car park, but nothing other than a miracle will save the buildings on Rutland St, Patrick St, Ellen St, if they are to be kept as ‘a shrine’ for the next X amount of years, the developers should be made clean them up and make them safe. They cannot be left to the elements. What kind of lunacy was it to run people out of their businesses when in a sense, The Opera Centre was only a picture on a paper. Someone has to be held accountable, aesthetically the streets are a mess and regardless to whether the Centre will happen to-day or 10 years from now we should not have to feel ashamed when visitors on their way to the Hunt or KJC stop to take their pictures of the houses with trees growing out of them..
I wrote some time ago that the proposed Opera Centre would not start for at least another two years, if ever!. The Limerick Post ‘front page’ clarifys this, see views from Tony Connolly, Patrick Street, business man and the confirmation he received from City Hall. This is a continuing disgrace. What is going on? I call on on business persons in the detailed region to bin their demands for rates that may be due, and demand City Council knock the lot as Mr Connolly suggested . Yes open the area as a car park, or just board the lot up.. He is correct in saying the buildings are dangerous. So few of us ‘LOOK UP’, I suggest no-one should walk under No.5 Ellen St, as a serious gale/wind will bring down a beam that is at the moment. being supported by nothing other than a sticking plaster. It will mark my words, surly cause serious injury. In the last months the Fire Brigade have blocked the Street twice, (Ellen St,) four in all, with hatchets trying to gain entry to the boarded up premises (all in the early hours of the morning) this was all due to reported suspected fires being started in the buildings.by ??? who were burning mounds of paper in the buildings. I looked for media info on this, but there was none! How can the developers/Council get away with such apathy? IT IS a continuing disgrace, but then again, there is after all only a handful of us that give a damm about the affect this disgrace is affecting this lovly city. I believe if one had to walk through the old Town Hall one would not believe the distruction caused by Vandals. Mr Connolly thank you for your highlighting your genuine concerns.
@Fairy wrote:
Sorry, can’t remember what paper I read it on, but I did read it. It was certainly a local paper stated between 12th and 14th Dec. It was a by-line by some Councillor (maybe Gilligan) sorry if I’m incorrect. It was certainly not headline media, but thrown in as a ‘matter of fact’ when reporting on the Regeneration Project. Still searching for the exact source. Will get back to you.
So I was not seeing things! there it is again, pg. 14 Limerick Leader, 3rd Jan. “Jim Barrett, a former arhitect with Limerick City and Dublin City councils, said he was assured the the 40,000 sq mtr retail Unit will still be viable when construction BEGINS IN 2011!!!!
@shanekeane wrote:
Well I definitely agree that the 21st century architecture is undistinguished, not least the stumpy high rise buildings. The whole riverside is, in fact, an abject failure. But personally I feel that everything that went on in the city centre in the 20th century made a beautiful city ugly: Arthur’s Quay, Penneys, Roches, Liddy Street, Dunnes Stores, AIB bank, Bank of Ireland, Brown Thomas, the lower end of William Street, Cruises Street. Each and every one of these was a disaster. And, for me, Arthur’s Quay was the worst. Now, all that remains of the warren of the narrow medieval pattern georgian streets around Denmark Street and Ellen Street is a portion of the original Ellen Street which still contains antique shops and the like. And they are now suggesting that it is necessary to pull down this charming street in order to build another Arthur’s Quay? Will they ever learn? Why are the city council, ignorant moronic bumpkins all of them, allowed to make decisions on things like this? They have proven themselves incapable of it in the past. I would suggest that there would not be a flight from the city centre to suburban shopping centres if we had a beautiful historic core which is a pleasure to stroll around, instead of a dirty, intimidating 20th century wasteland. So I don’t think the county council are entirely to blame for the city’s problems.
Your not suggesting that the whole of Denmark St and Ellen is going to have to go!!
@dave123 wrote:
Where is your source?!
Sorry, can’t remember what paper I read it on, but I did read it. It was certainly a local paper stated between 12th and 14th Dec. It was a by-line by some Councillor (maybe Gilligan) sorry if I’m incorrect. It was certainly not headline media, but thrown in as a ‘matter of fact’ when reporting on the Regeneration Project. Still searching for the exact source. Will get back to you.
@dave123 wrote:
Read on the property section two weeks prior. The commerical sector is recovering a bit. Hopefully it will stabilize by january 🙂
2009 still looks positive with the retail sector. All the provincial cities are confident in building development’s. This is also clear good indicator’s.Also a little off topic. Waterford, has made more progress on it’s own new inner shopping mall in it’s city centre at John’s street. So it does look like the retail sector can survive the crunch.
The Opera centre hopefully will go ahead in feb once An bord an pleannala clear away the small implications that is currently delaying the project.
The city centre will literally take off once this is completed. Limerick city centre will have one of, if not the best shopping urban centre’s in the country. Currently Limerick has the most exstensive suburban shopping experience outside of Dublin. This needs to be a turnaround, and give Limerick a balanced retail framwork, and a core or the lung of the city is the city centre, not the suburbs.
Read this week, The Opera Centre will NOT commence until 2011 – 3 more years of waiting and having to look at the boarded up buildings on Patrick St, Ruthland St. What a total shambles.
Thanks for all the above!. keep the good work up!
Anyone know what is happening with the Opera Centre!! Heard on the Q.T. that it has been shelved! Just imagine a whole side of the city held to ransom because of whatever – for the next x amount of years
How come they can can get away with such little reporting – what is happening? anyone know? It will be so sad to see half the City Centre closed for business for the next x amount of years – which is the most lighly outcome as things now stands.
@dave123 wrote:
That the Esturauy house development on the Dock road is approved? Its Consist of eight floors. It looks pretty decent. But this is defeniately not a high rise:rolleyes: But on topic, Has this started construction? I only gor the news from that site!
Any update on The new five storey development approved for Glenthworth/Henry street junction?
P.S When the Opera does go ahead, does this mean Limerick will lose one of it’s biggest night spots?:confused:
Re: your P.S. While I am not the greatest fan of the Opera Centre and the eventual consequences of lhe loss of so many buildings, I must say IMO ,Trinity Rooms are not being civic minded in trying to hold such a massive investment in their ‘beloved Limerickto ransom for ‘what everyone knows as a postage stamp of land;. While I commend Trinity tfor employing 100 persons (50% of which I’m sure of are either casual or part-time) they now need to deal in fact. Fact is they have no claim to this land and my guess is, they are trying to milk the situ.
Aa for the poster’s enquiry, re concerns of closure of your favourite club, ask yourself, how do others ie, Nacy Blakes togerher with the restaurants, new club, recently opended in Upper Denmark St, cope ?, – they seem to survive very well with deliveries WITH NO SPE,CIAL GATEWAY TO THE DOOR.! I hope it will all sort itself out and you have many more years enjoying your favourite watering hole. PS, if its any consolation, I believe by the time the proposed Opera Cente is up and running, you will be advising your own childred as to the best venue to frequent when on a night out in Limerick.
@J.P wrote:
Tuborg, you say that the cimema is to go ahead in the new phase of the Coonagh Cross Centre. Everyone on the northside of the city has been lamenting the fact that the cinema has been axed from the original plans. I agree with your point that the cinema is badly needed on this side of the city. Why it has taken so long beats me.
Commendable yes, but what about the moniarity of older citizens who have/are deprived of a Central City Cinemy, Coonagh, Dooradoyle, and Castletroy are all a transport away ‘try and venture such a luxury without a car and you will know what I’m talking about.! Has any one out there with enough nouce to realise that a City Centered Cinema is an absolute MUST for a City the size of Limerick, surely such an investment could not fail. Youmg and Old are crying out for such a venue. I hear this cry from all City dwellers. not to mention the daily visitors who ask absentmindly , “can your direct me to the local cinema!”!!!!!? I read the trend is nowdays, for older people wanting to move back to the city (as is happening all over the world) for all the obvious reasons. Come on ‘someone fill this necessary void. .confused:
Thank you Tuborg – don’t know what we do without you on this site. Please keep us posted, you seem to have info none of us have, (maybe we like most are just lazy) or maybe we are all too dependent on you to keep us up-dated . Your facts and insight is greatly appreciated.
Fairy.
‘Ellen street is in dire state, and a private national developer, has put their faith and money into this project. They are rejuvenating the area. This area is a derelict mess, blame the city council for that. The Opera centre is probably the single biggest investment to ever have been proprosed in the Munster region. My point is the pros far outweigh the cons. The investment is in dire need. The georgian on Ellen street is nothing compared to the Georgian’s around Mallow and O’Connell avenue or other parts of the city. Some are been restored I’m pretty much happy, its better to be realistic. tbf.
Sad but true, yes Ellen Street is in dire straits, thanks to City Council who obviously took the contents of a brown paper bag to facilitate the demise of the buildings in question. Looks like they will go. Therefore, A UNIQUE STREET will be no morel Question, if they demolish the selected buildings, how will the ‘Ormston House’ side of the Street fit in with the new? Will they be renovated (most of the buildings on this side of the Street are in as bad repair as the selected buildings ‘that according to the developers MUST GO’! Anyone out there know of the complete plan?’
Ellen street is in dire state, and a private national developer, has put their faith and money into this project. They are rejuvenating the area. This area is a derelict mess, blame the city council for that. The Opera centre is probably the single biggest investment to ever have been proprosed in the Munster region. My point is the pros far outweigh the cons. The investment is in dire need. The georgian on Ellen street is nothing compared to the Georgian’s around Mallow and O’Connell avenue or other parts of the city. Some are been restored I’m pretty much happy, its better to be realistic. tbf.
Sad but true, yes Ellen Street is in dire straits, thanks to City Council who obviously took the contents of a brown paper bag to facilitate the demise of the buildings in question. Looks like they will go. Therefore, A UNIQUE STREET will be no morel Question, if they demolish the selected buildings, how will the ‘Ormston House’ side of the Street fit in with the new? Will they be renovated (most of the buildings on this side of the Street are in as bad repair as the selected buildings ‘that according to the developers MUST GO’! Anyone out there know of the complete plan?
@Fairy wrote:
Not for a moment am I suggesting that this is the best design, but God it’s at least innovative! Recall the enomous ructions/damming reactions to the inconceivable design of the Sydney Opera House (similar situ). Looking at the design put forward it sure is inavative – loooking into a much smaller concept imigne taking all the the Bell Table has to offer and (add add some flash) move it into the Boat Club it would be – a winner in IMO, a place to take in a play, lunch, bite of lunc h while talking in the majestic Shannon, We so desperately need a ‘centre of the equivalent RIGHT IN THE CENTRE OF LIMERICK CITY. See it all in my dreams, ‘lights,steps, etc, ect.. Then
Opps, ,my apologies, Battery saying its at its end!! Back later. Fairy::(:(
@CologneMike wrote:
True johnglas, my behaviour is akin to a “Spam Blockerâ€! 😀
Interesting images massamann. 😎
That would be a clean break with tradition, a Maritime Youth Centre instead of A Rowing Club! A Maritime theme for the pier would be totally dedicated to use the river as a recreational water resource.
Maybe moor a tall-ship (maritime museum) along the boat club side of the pier and another large barge type of vessel (restaurant) docked opposite it at Harvey’s quay. However getting these two ships lifted over the Condell bridge would be a quite an act.
Massamann, I can see the city kids using it as our second river front skateboard park!
By the way the tall ship museum image I used here is from your part of the woods.
Not for a moment am I suggesting that this is the best design, but God it’s at least innovative! Recall the enomous ructions/damming reactions to the inconceivable design of the Sydney Opera House (similar situ). Looking at the design put forward it sure is inavative – loooking into a much smaller concept imigne taking all the the Bell Table has to offer and (add add some flash) move it into the Boat Club it would be – a winner in IMO, a place to take in a play, lunch, bite of lunc h while talking in the majestic Shannon, We so desperately need a ‘centre of the equivalent RIGHT IN THE CENTRE OF LIMERICK CITY. See it all in my dreams, ‘lights,steps, etc, ect.. Then
@justnotbothered wrote:
Saw that image too, I don’t think there’s really much doubt that the proposal is a flawed one (and I’m being charitable).
Afaik, majority rules on the council, but the city manager (who has been quite coy all through this) will probably try and streamroll it through.
He was the guy who felt building on Cleeves Bank/Westfields was a top notch idea too, luckily, the councillors pulled him on it before he could sell it. I’m sure he’s waiting for another chance to work some “development” there too.
We need a manager who realises the city is more than just facing the river. All well and good focusing on the river, but areas like Parnell st and Roches st. are straight out of a neon Angela’s ashes. He should focus a little more on the entire city.
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Know what I think? I think the buildings in Patrick St, Ruthland St, Ellen St, May Robert ect should be left standing in their present situ, they should be ‘held up’ as a perfect example of what is acceptable by Limerick City Council. We could do a ‘kinda’ Frank McCourt tour of Limerick, highlighting our disgrace.
Council and owners of these magnificent buildings (in particular , the Georg buildings on Ruthland St, Patrick St and Ellen St. should not be be given one red cent for these properties and City Council should be made liable for their upkeep [align=left:owyfofmf]forever!![/align:owyfofmf]These wonderful buildings should never, never have been allowed to fall into such disrepair. Where has civic pride been for the last 20/30 years!! I suppose in the pockets of greedy non-civic minded owners. Shame on them all and shame on City Council for their indifference to the fate of these buildings, which no doubt are now fated to get the knocking bowl!!
fairy:(
Over the last week or so, windows have been boarded up ie, the AIB bank etc!! Why??? This is a fair indication that The Opera Centre is ‘way down the track’ all that is offered, regarding the Opera Centre is the usual un-researched /unofficial reporting from Limk.Post. They say, work will commence within the next 6-8 weeks. I say, who, what, where and when did Limk.Post get this information (where are the document facrts)? .My guess there are none!
In the meantime, the newly erected boards all over Patrick st and Ellen St, will become assailed by freebie bill posters (maybe they are not free, and City Council are getting some recompense for same),! I would not be surprised, after all, such defacing of City property would not be tolerated in any other City/County in Ireland. I ask the elected City Council to honour it’s people and come forward with facts regarding the Opera Centre if the truth be, (and I believe I’m right) that the Opera Centre is at least a year off tell us and in doing so, consider the remaining businesses by not allowing the area to turn into downtown no-one’s land, but most of all(once again) stop treating all of us as Mushrooms, ie feeding us bullshit and keeping us in the dark.
Fairy:::mad:
@KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:
There’s a whole row of “Sold” signs on Patrick Street that have only been up for a couple months. That’s presumably some sign of progress on the Opera Centre.
Is the large building occupied by Midwest Business Institute being retained? I noticed that the Limerick Post moved out of it.
I must say, I hope the Opera Centre works out, and I’m rather curious about it. But it might just be a larger version of Arthur’s Quay – filling that role in the market so to speak if AQ really is to be demolished. That wouldn’t exactly be groundbreaking or transform the city centre retail scene.
I’ve written on this forum before, suggesting that City Council are giving everyone the ‘mushroom treatment’ regarding any details/facts/design of the proposed Centre.
Also, I wonder has City Council given any consideration to the existing businesses on Patrick St, Ellen St, who are trying to keep their heads above water!. Ellen St and lower Patrick St, has become a ‘free for all’ for all freebie advertising ie, bill posters . The defacing of the buildings are an arrogant and an insult to existing business, in the designated area, This week, the former AIB windows (amongs others) were boarded up! why? According to L.Post, work on the O.C. is due to start within the next 6 weeks,! these windows have been open to the elements for the last 5 years.!. This is a real indicator that the Opera Centre is a long way away and such activity is only ‘lip service’ Watch these boarded up windows in the next WEEK, you will see more environmental defacing and while doing so, count the months where City Council will close their eyes to the concerns of the exisiting businesses who will of course, be oblidged to pay enormous rates for the privalge of trying to entice business into this goast town environmental disgrace. 🙁Fairy
