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on the Fermoy development – I freely admit I haven’t seen it but I suspect it will be an architectural nightmare if Hanley is for it. Fermoy town centre has nothing wrong with it that a bunker buster bomb couldn’t sort out.
notjim
the “problem” with Toronto is that it has limited control over development sometimes because it gets appealed to OMB (a developer friendly An Bord Pleanala). Also, the city now known as Toronto was six different cities until recent unification and its powers are circumscribed pretty heavily. A lot of pretty dreadful mistakes were made such as the Gardiner Expressway as you mention – however, the *current* city plan does take account of this stuff, and most of the recent high rise development has been along the various subway and streetcar lines, especially in North York.
As for sprawl – the cities/regions outside Toronto (especially Mississauga) wouldn’t know transit if it bit them in the ass.
If you want a really good example of a Canadian city with heavy control over development and forcing developers to build what’s good for the city as well as the bottom line, I give you Vancouver 😀
If you look at Toronto, apart from the downtown, there are scattered pockets of high rise. In the main, they correlate to public transit intersections. That’s how it should be – high density transit = high density development AND the converse should also be true – no metros in suburbia and no docklands without LUAS 😀
Hopefully the entire corner can be developed, not just Reliance. Isn’t the old chandlery (can’t remember what’s there now), the dogs home and a garage? surely all can be relocated. It’s a bit of a mess traffic wise with the bus station across the way.
except for Ruairi Quinn, rag? An architect if I recall correctly.
I tried to see if I could find the architecture course directly from the UL website and found it impossible. I emailed the UL webmaster about it – you can’t even find it if you do a general search! It was probably too late for the Prospectus but that’s no excuse for the website, but UL’s website design expertise seems to have halted when they were in the vanguard, oh about 1997 or so.
I added it to UL’s wikipedia entry to generate a little traffic perhaps.
How does DIT/UCD’s programmes compare to UL’s when it comes to Cooperative Education? As an ex-UL student it’s the one thing that (with DCU) marks UL out compared to the “Queen’s” Universities.
Pity the roof doesn’t cantilever out over the apron to give the punters even a small likelihood of escaping the weather, given that only two bridges are being provided, Aer Arann can’t use them and Aer Lingus don’t want to!
dave123
catch yourself on. If Limerick can include Shannon then Cork can certainly include Ringaskiddy and then it’s all over for you since Viagra is what keeps Ireland PLC ticking over.
jimg
spot on – Limerick is crippled from Limerick Co and Ennis refusing boundary extensions.
mob79
also right – Eyre Square is nice but it’s a town square not a city square, especially given the low rise surrounding it. Is there a byelaw that says you can’t build higher than the Cathedral, so as not to put the Novena in shadow?
(everytime I’m in Galway there seems to be a novena on).
Toronto is just starting road works season. We have a lot of potholes too. Toronto does have weather which varies between -30C in January and +35C in August though. They would kill for Dublin’s problems!
ilovecork2 and your “compulsory” airbridges
it is not “compulsory” for airlines to serve Cork either.
You can make it as compulsory as you like in fact but that won’t make it possible to attach an airbridge to an ATR42.
Lexington re: Bandon Rd flyover
might be some disruption to this given the current uproar about Gama?
Any prospect of Dublin ever getting something like this?
makes househunting a lot easier, although it could use some improvements/more accurate data at times. Between this and (where you have an address) Google maps satellite images (which covers Toronto) you can see both what’s on offer in your price range and what the neighbourhood is like.
Lexington
re: your overview of docklands developments – a lot of work there, thanks.
Re the site north of the Goldcrop building (have been in the Gcrop building, glad something is being done to make it habitable) – pretty much any site in that area will have subsidence issues. The Marina Commercial Park next door is basically concrete paved over whatever topography was handy, and what’s there now is all sorts of levels and cracking, especially with 40ft trailers crashing over it.
The entire docklands area is challenging with oil tanks, gas lines, power lines etc. Would like to see Ford “encouraged” to build a multistorey car park to house their vehicles, preferably somewhere near the ring road – say in Tivoli? – to free up the large tarmac area south of Tedcastles for development.
The problem, StephenC, is the dublin 4-ites are well funded me-feiners who don’t want property to be more available or cheaper coz it cuts into their property values etc. Reworking existing cities is necessary but bloody hard work getting it approved!
Imagine a city done right first time, with proper conduits for utilities so little/no road digging, mass transit infrastructure planned (if not built) from day 1, model for energy efficiency, waste minimisation, local recycling and innovative power sources – a low impact city.
Dr. Ed was El Presidente when I was a UL student. He’s a little less popular with the chattering classes these days after he gave a lecture on single parents recently.
Don’t know anything about the Shannon thing (anyone out there who does?) I like a new alignment from Cratloe to Shannon because the Yanks can stop at Bunratty to buy their tat 😀
The boundary expansion of Limerick into Clare is always contentious but I feel Clare Co. Co. missed the point – they could have created a town on the Limerick fringe beyond Longpavement like Castletroy is now and had a development policy which promoted Cratloe and Sixmilebridge like Carrigtwohill and Midleton were by Cork CC but they blew it.
It’s a pity the religious zealotry is so apparent – a new city for Ireland, properly planned and implemented would be an interesting concept! You would need an large area of low population but easily connected to good transportation.
Shannon was one of the few attempts at a new town in Ireland and is in need of a boost from something like a rail link to Limerick via Cratloe or Sixmilebridge and some aggressive planning and development.
The existing urban areas in Ireland are so shockingly planned, designed and developed the idea of a new city is very appealing to me – just not one called the city of the sacred heart.
so instead of mocking this guy’s plan (too easy really) let’s consider where a new urban area could be located in ireland with the best overall social and economic bang for the buck.
Frank
conferences are *big* business. Toronto used to get very big money from attracting medical conferences and the like which meant thousands of yanks with US Dollars to spend. SARS has put a huge hole in that business and believe me the city is feeling it. With the new European countries, EU wide conferences are going to have a LOT of punters. Citywest is a stupid place to put it as it is the other side of the city from the airport, through which a lot of the target market will come. Metro Toronto Convention Centre is right downtown – somewhere in the Spencer Dock-O’Connell Street area, near the Metro, Luas, Interconnector, etc. is where any NCC worthy of the name should be located.
Is the “Water Street” development where the builders supply yard and Harbour Commissioners area used to be – i.e. across Water Street from Horgan’s Quay?
Looking at a map of Cork Water Street has no quayside which is why I asked.
I used to wonder about running the Cobh-Midleton line at grade with an LC across Water Street, through that area and along a slightly elevated line along the river bank, reclaiming land beyond the end of the quay where the pub is to make a smooth riverfront, through the Tivoli gardens and rejoining the Midleton line at a new Tivoli suburban station. This would have eliminated the need for the railway bridge on the Lower Glanmire at Water Street and the horrible skew bridge at Tivoli. Of course if I had that kind of power 😀 I would have removed McCormick McNaughton from opposite Silversprings and eliminated the bottleneck at the end of the Dual Carriageway, and extending the DC or used a tidal flow 2+1 system to terminate at Water Street.
