Citywest : Mansfield’s giant heap of crap
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- January 25, 2005 at 1:15 am #745529
Paul Clerkin
Keymaster@Graham Hickey wrote:
I am genuinely astounded that so many people thought this had any hint of credibility, don’t know whether to be sick with laughter or be thoroughly depressed (although the former has taken place regardless :D). Never even crossed my mind that it would be taken at face value!
…he says with a quiver in his voice 🙂 – and this from the Master Prankster himself!
I mean really – is this what we have come to expect of developers in this country, have things really sunk so low?
Has people’s estimation of Irish planning hit rock bottom or is it just that of Mansfield?
Admittedly I’d probably have at least fallen for the sports centre anyway – but the palatial conference centre – with a Ming Dynasty roof?!you see it has all the hallmarks i like to out into a fake news story
– it plays on your worst fears (in this case buildings designed with lego)
– it has some basis in fact
– it is plausible after some recent event (in this case rezoning)and finally it is Ireland after all – anything can happen – Fr. Ted was a reality tv show
January 25, 2005 at 1:30 am #745530GrahamH
ParticipantI’ll store those tips for future reference…
Also apologies to AT – easy target and all that. Unfortunate that their nit-pickey objection actually added credibility to the whole thing 🙂
January 25, 2005 at 9:32 am #745531ro_G
Participantnice one Graham
January 25, 2005 at 8:25 pm #745532Devin
Participant@Graham Hickey wrote:
Also apologies to AT – easy target and all that. Unfortunate that their nit-pickey objection actually added credibility to the whole thing 🙂
Yes I liked the residents assoc. style of your an Taisce quotes…….disturbing that some believed it! 😮 🙂
January 26, 2005 at 6:34 pm #745533emf
ParticipantYou really should post a warning before including something as funny as that, I nerly fell off my chair laughing. I’m still getting funny looks as I type this!
Seriously though, a bit of colour, similar to this Lego creation, might brighten things up out in the drap depressing hole that is City west. If it worked we could Legoise Parkwest and Eastpoint too!! 🙂
January 26, 2005 at 7:18 pm #745534kefu
ParticipantI don’t know why we’re laughing. That Lego Project is marginally better than what has and is being built out there.
January 26, 2005 at 7:44 pm #745535Paul Clerkin
Keymasterits ironic post modern laughing….
March 22, 2005 at 1:27 pm #745536Frank Taylor
ParticipantThis is a very simple question:
Why is it in the national interest to build a “National Conference Centre”? And what exactly is it?
Is it just a big building that can accommodate 20,000 people? Is it purely so that hoteliers and restaurateurs can sell more? Is it some kind of national pride issue like having a national “flag carrier “airline? If so will it lose money like other national flagships?
The RDS can hold something like 5,000. Quantity isn’t everything. I think the world economic forum in Davos is just for 2,000 people yet this must generate a lot of cash and attention for the town.
If we build it what will be held there? The annual european dentists convention or something?
March 22, 2005 at 1:56 pm #745537Anonymous
InactiveSorry Frank, I have no idea, but on the other hand I just saw Graham HIckey’s Lego models. What a work of absolute genius Graham. It is nearly as good, if not better than ‘Ted Goes to Town’ on Fantasyjack’s site. I particularly liked the guys in helmets standing outside the structure with the large roof span. They reminded me of those depictions of people in artists impressions or photomontages.
March 22, 2005 at 9:59 pm #745538dowlingm
ParticipantFrank
conferences are *big* business. Toronto used to get very big money from attracting medical conferences and the like which meant thousands of yanks with US Dollars to spend. SARS has put a huge hole in that business and believe me the city is feeling it. With the new European countries, EU wide conferences are going to have a LOT of punters. Citywest is a stupid place to put it as it is the other side of the city from the airport, through which a lot of the target market will come. Metro Toronto Convention Centre is right downtown – somewhere in the Spencer Dock-O’Connell Street area, near the Metro, Luas, Interconnector, etc. is where any NCC worthy of the name should be located.
March 25, 2005 at 10:49 pm #745539kefu
ParticipantFrank, it’s in the “national interest” because Ireland is currently losing out on large-scale conferences.
A relative of mine wanted to bring a big science bash to Ireland but couldn’t because there wasn’t a suitably large venue.
In general, it brings in a good type of tourist (not stags and hens) and also organisers tend to target off-peak times so there’ll be sufficient accomodation available and at decent prices. As a result, it brings more balance to the tourism industry.
You also get a lot of follow-up business – the people attending the conference are usually busy and only get a flavour of the city. If they like what they see, they will come back, usually with a family in tow.
That’s why so many countries will subsidise a loss-making conference centre – it’s the type of investment, which may not in itself make money, but will bring dozens of other tangible benefits.March 26, 2005 at 12:32 pm #745540Anonymous
Inactive@kefu wrote:
Frank, it’s in the “national interest” because Ireland is currently losing out on large-scale conferences.
A relative of mine wanted to bring a big science bash to Ireland but couldn’t because there wasn’t a suitably large venue. .I presume your relative considered the Green Glens Arena in Millstreet as it is technically large enough to accomodate a large gathering]In general, it brings in a good type of tourist (not stags and hens) and also organisers tend to target off-peak times so there’ll be sufficient accomodation available and at decent prices. As a result, it brings more balance to the tourism industry.
You also get a lot of follow-up business – the people attending the conference are usually busy and only get a flavour of the city. If they like what they see, they will come back, usually with a family in tow.
That’s why so many countries will subsidise a loss-making conference centre – it’s the type of investment, which may not in itself make money, but will bring dozens of other tangible benefits.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with this, I have often found that freinds will go to a conference have a great time in the host City and then their partner feeling a little left out will persaude them to return to the host City together.
I don’t however feel that a massive edge city hotel and conference centre would have suffcient vibrancy or character to draw people back except in a case of the same conference returning and that is not what could be described as a spin off.March 27, 2005 at 2:58 pm #745541kefu
ParticipantI’ve always believed that the conference centre should be in the middle of the city centre, be it at the Spencer Dock site or something similar.
I think Mansfield’s monstrosity should be razed to the ground. I think foreign visitors coming to Ireland for conferences who end up waiting an hour trying to exit the M50 at the Red Cow Roundabout en route to Citywest will not be return visitors.
I don’t think they will have a favourable recollection of Ireland.
I would not be against an out-of-town solution per se, something along the lines of a conference village. But it would have to be within the bounds of the M50, on a train/LUAS/DART line and should not be more than twenty minutes from the city centre.March 29, 2005 at 10:54 am #745542Rockflanders
ParticipantAlexandra Dock is a much more exciting location than Spencer Dock and definitely than Mansfielsds in my opinion.
March 29, 2005 at 11:18 am #745543Anonymous
Inactive@Rockflanders wrote:
Alexandra Dock is a much more exciting location than Spencer Dock and definitely than Mansfielsds in my opinion.
Alexandra Dock???
Do you mean The Alexandra Basin in Dublin Port?
April 1, 2005 at 6:26 pm #745544Rockflanders
ParticipantThe favourite in the current conference centre competition being run by the government is the one at Alexandra Dock. There was an editorial in the times a few weeks ago and i remember an article mentioning some questions that John o Donoghue answered in the Dail about it. Same architect as did the Conference Centre in hong kong.
April 2, 2005 at 2:13 pm #745545JPD
ParticipantThat sounds like Spencer Dock, does anyone have a link to any of the other proposals or will it be Spencer Dock or Mansfields giant legoland?
April 4, 2005 at 10:53 am #745546Papworth
ParticipantI see in yesterday’s Indo that Harry Crosbie is not happy with the architectural merits or function of the proposed Barn at City West – good old Harry suddenly getting an interest in Architecture and its function !!
April 4, 2005 at 1:32 pm #745547jackscout
ParticipantHarry & co at the Point are one of only two objects to the retention and completion of that mass od Sh!te according to SDCC web site which a decision is due today… It will properly take An Borfd Pleanala to refuse the development.
April 4, 2005 at 3:24 pm #745548Rockflanders
Participant@JPD wrote:
That sounds like Spencer Dock, does anyone have a link to any of the other proposals or will it be Spencer Dock or Mansfields giant legoland?
Doesnt sound much like Spencer Dock to me. Different spelling for starters.
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