Look at de state of Cork, like!
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@lexington wrote:
The WebWorks will be a 40,000sq ft office-type building which will house units to be let by Enterprise Ireland. These units will be allocated to start-up IT and Finance businesses in an effort to help them develop into successful enterprises. As part of the development, a variety of services will be available throughout the building to assist the businesses in various ways. R&D will be heavily supported at the centre. It will be used as a showcase for up-and-coming technologies developed by local businesses. The centre will create up to 300 jobs when complete.
Thanks Lexington. Would Enterprise Ireland then be leasing the space they use from Howard Holdings?
I just don’t understand some of the people in this city at all…
😡 The following have been brought to appeal despite all and many concessions made during CCC planning…
1. Cumnor Construction’s highly attractive Sunday’s Well development
2. Dick Walsh & Declan Kiely’s Grianbru/Dennehy’s Cross development (by CAHRA – shudder!!! People it’s 4-storeys not 40!!!! How can you say this is high-rise? Most buildings in the area are taller.)
3. The Victoria Hotel has brought Monsoon Accessorize to ABP about it’s new signage.
4. And EVEN Howard Holdings have been brought to appeal regarding the erection of the 12 metre quill sculpture for outside the Clarion Hotel!!! Are people thick??? The sculpture was presented to the people of Cork as a gift – and to add to its lacking street art. The eejit from An Taisce is objecting because he feels the quayside would be more suited to a water-scuplture given its proximity to the river! Grow up! You can pick, choose and tailor the gifts you receive. This is utterly atrocious behaviour!I’m so tired of these small minded individuals – Cork doesn’t know a good thing when it gets it and then complains about it to everyone when its not there. If Cork shoots itself in the foot, any bets it’ll be whining to Dublin about how it never gets anything? Here is Cork trying to take care of itself and it’s being prevented from doing so by its very own people.
Tripe!
Doug C – thanks for that! 😉
opus – the OPW approached consulting engineers, the David Kelly Partnership in 2002 about assessing redevelopment options for Sullivans Quay before ultimately deciding to relocate full-stop. A number of options were presented to the OPW about remodelling the Sullivans Quay Government Buildings, before it became clear structural and foundation issues would be too expensive and difficult to correct. I have a file load of drawings and reports made regarding the building’s redesign but I’ll only post one (below) for the time being due to the limited space. Click on the thumbnail for a fuller image.
phil – that’s the general idea. It’s a clever and progressive idea, one badly needed for Cork city centre, and the location is unmatched! Let’s just hope the councillors get off their high horse and start getting priorities right – if they turn this beauty down, they are effectively turning down 300 jobs, untold investment and a quality addition to the docklands over a worry that the lease-term is too long. It will still be CCC property, just on an extended lease to Howard Holdings. HH will pay CCC an initial down-payment of 2m euros for the site with an annual rent thereafter of 2 euros. However, the benefits to the Cork region have vast potential.🙂 If you throw your minds back to a few pages ago in this thread, you may remember a mention regarding the sale of the small 2,025sq ft triangular site on Clontarf Street (to the east of the Bus Station, and to the rear of No.5 & No.6 Lapps Quay). Well, the site was sold last year for 1m euros to a developer who, for now I can’t name, however, what I can tell you is that planning permission will very shortly be sought for a 12-storey office building over commercial unit on this tiny, landmark site. The building will approx. 22,000sq ft of office space, plus commercial unit and provide a slender, landmark tower in the heart of this fast emerging office district of Cork. More details as they come.
🙂 Also, nearby, you may also remember that I informed you that Deloitte & Touche had be assessing a vertical extension to their offices on Lapps Quay (between No.5 Lapps Quay and Connolly Hall). Coughlan de Keyser Architects had been approached to part-assist in the design of this new extension, however, I have been now recently told that Deloitte may abandon this option for space at (so it is rumoured) nearby No.6 Lapps Quay, under construction by Bowen Construction, developed by O’Flynn Construction. It is assumed that Deloitte may option their existing offices on the market, including some space to it’s rear. It is not clear yet whether Deloitte will option their offices as is, or seek planning for the vertical extension and sell it off to a developer. The latter option may be appealing to OFC themselves – with a possible land-for-offices swap(??? – I’m just speculating on that point.)
No.6 Lapps Quay – under construction
🙂 Thankfully, OFC have scheduled a meeting with City Manager Joe Gavin for next week to help rectify the stale-mate reached between the developers and planners regarding car-parking at their Eglinton Street development. OFC propose 553 underground parking spaces as part of their massive, high-rise development, but Planner Evelyn Mitchell has conditioned that only .5 of this total space be made available. It seems a little idiotic to be honest with you, CCC didn’t have a problem issuing OCP with 450 underground parking spaces for a development not far removed from this one along the Western Road. Proper order too. See prev. post re: the OFC/CCC deadlock.
:rolleyes: I’m convinced a certain Irish Examiner property journalist reads this thread! Some of his reports display an uncanny resemblance to exactly the same information I have posted on this thread going back along. Hmmm – the Irish Examiner basically confirmed interested tenants for OCP’s Academy Street development as I had mentioned previously (i.e. Zara, Pull&Bear, Bershka etc etc – and its true, they are on ‘the list’.)
🙂 Rumour has it, in addition to Academy Street and a possible, but uncertain involvement with the Capitol Cineplex redevelopment, O’Callaghan Properties are actively developing plans for along Cornmarket Street. The plans are supposedly designed to compliment the large-scale retail and resdential development being undertaken by Rockfell Investments at the former Guy & Co. building (which now has confirmed tenants in Habitat, and definite ‘enquiries’ from the likes of H&M, Dixons and passing enquiries from Arnotts and John Lewis [however I hear, another city centre location may be more favourable to them]). Though I’m not clear on the exact details of the OCP Cornmarket Street involvement – it is thought to most likely have a large retail element to it, with extensive street/pedestrian access. However, if anything is pursued, it will not likely take form until after Academy Street is nearing completion or up and running.
🙂 Just regarding the Capitol Cineplex’s redevelopment, Ward Anderson (the facility’s owners) have been in discussions with city planners about the site’s redevelopment. Ward Anderson are hoping to seek planning permission before selling off the site – however, a number of developers (including one prominent Limerick-based developer, mentioned previously in this thread) have been pushing the entertainment operators to sell the premises ‘as is’ so that they can seek a specified planning application sooner and in line with many properties bought up surrounding the cineplex itself. Many of these properties have beenn purchased with great expense over the past year to 2 years.
Also, check out the website launched by developer/auctioneer Joe Carey and Dan Mulvihill for their large Fota Retail Park development in Carrigtwohill, at the site of the former Youghal Carpets Factory. Even if you’ve no interest in the development itself, it’s got some nice photos of the who Dalmatian Style Harbour area leading into the eastern suburbs and Little Island (like the image below!).
Oh, and HAPPY SAINT PATRICK’S DAY 2005!!!
SN Brussels Airlines, the national carrier of Belguim, has announced 2 weekly flights between Cork and Brussels commencing this summer (July) – depending on the popularity of the route, the airline has said it will consider year round flights. This additional service now adds to the growing list of scheduled European services to Cork which now includes Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, Barcelona, Malaga, Alicante, Rome, Munich, Malta, Nice, Prague, Budapest + many others.
For more info. on the Brussels route, see the SN Brussels Airlines website
Also, I have it on good word that a notable US Airline is currently in talks with the airport about commencing a scheduled, year-round Cork to New York JFK service (which will operate between 3 and 4 times weekly) – however, this will be subject to further negotiations and the outcome of US-Ireland Bilateral Aviation Agreement discussions. Aer Lingus have also expressed an interest in commencing a Cork – US service subject to the successful outcome of the same negotiations, New York JFK is also their preferred destination.
Another flight which will be starting is between Cork and Brest by French LoCo FlyWest http://www.flywest.fr . It will start up in June as once weekly on a Sunday.
Is this the Cork Tourist Board? 😀
@dowlingm wrote:
good to see the reopening of Cork-Midleton rail is generating growth along the line!
Surely the growth is being generated along the dual carraigeway!
@dermo wrote:
Surely the growth is being generated along the dual carraigeway!
I agree with Dermo retail warehousing and trains don’t have a great linkage now dual carriageways are a different story and I’m sure that the midleton rail line will generate a lot of new housing.
Hard to see, because it is out of shot, but it is also possible that the existence of the railway line will restrict the expansion of this warehousing, keeping it between the dual carraigeway and the track.
😮 Ann Clifford, proprietor of Clifford Stores next to UCC, has after many attempts, managed to attain planning on the redevelopment of her store, home and neighbouring houses. A small but noteworthy development given its important crossroads location along College Road. The development will see the demolition of existing structures, construction of 4 new 2 storey houses, extension to existing shop and provision of 4 apartments (for student use) over 3 floors.
😮 Cleary Doyle have set the first section of the tower crane in place ahead of Sunday week for the 32m euro Cork City Hall extension. The 90,000sq ft +, 4-storey administrations building was designed by ABK Architects (selected after competition) and will be connected to the main City Hall building via a series of links. The building is designed to be ‘eco-friendly’.
😮 Lyonshall Ltd, the part-development company headed by Kieran Coughlan & Claire Riordan, have struck a deal with Pierse Contracting and Firestone Developments (the John McCarthy, Vincent Regan and John Keating enterprise) to part develop their 200m euro project earmarked for the lands of the former Ursuline Convent and adjoining girls secondary-school. Lyonshall received planning for approx. 500 residential units, commercial and educational units about a year ago (you may remember the post long ago) on lands they purchased for 13m euros. The company decided to develop the complex themselves, but I think may have been a little overwhelmed at the scale they proposed themselves when it came to tender. Pierse and Firestone will come on-board to co-operatively develop approx. 200 of the residential units proposed. Lyonshall will then negotiate the remaining elements subject to progress. Kick-off on the development is now set for May. Project design is by O’Mahony Pike.– NOTE: Just on that point, and something which may be of interest to some of you, O’Mahony Pike are seeking Architects and Technicians for their new Cork office. OMP have decided to open a Cork office given the considerable business lined up for the firm over the coming months/years. I can tell you, whoever gets the job will be kept busy, between the huge Lyonshall project in Blackrock, and one other substantial Docklands project which may be seeking a revisal over the coming months.
😉 An recent report in the Irish Examiner commented on the prominent interest being shown in the Parnell Place area of the city – especially regarding large commercial developments. Well, in addition to the info provided in that article, it may be worth noting that a quiet deal is being closed (so the story goes) regarding the purchase and redevelopment of the D.F. Doyle & Co. showroom and workshop site to the rear of No.5 Lapps Quay and to the rear and west of No.6 Lapps Quay, the 2 large office developments being completed by O’Flynn Construction. Whether or not OFC are the deal-makers, I can’t as yet say, however it would make perfect sense given that their current Lapps Quay developments envelope the site and it would provide a natural and sensical area for extension, especially to No.5. We’ll just have to wait and see.– also, across the road, Deloitte’s offices (if you read back a few posts, you’ll remember I commented on the possibility of their sale of the building – which had been subject to vertical extension assessments before deciding on possibly moving to No.6 Lapps Quay) – which may see the listed building up for sale in the near future, could well be sold with planning for the aforementioned vertical extension (designed by Coughlan de Keyser) and may well include the Parnell Electrical premises to its rear. This is still up in the air to say the least, especially considering planning has yet to be sought (if that is the decided path taken).
😉 Also regarding the tiny triangular site bounded by Clontarf, Deane and Oliver Plunkett Streets – the subject of a soon to be sought 12-storey office development, I am expecting some more details on this project in the coming days. Cohalan Downing Associates are currently handling term car-parking space lettings on the site – however, these lettings are subject to time restrictions given the advent of the development. CDA are also expected to handle any sale of lettings of the proposed 22,000sq ft development. It almost seems surreal for such a building to be constructed on such a tiny site (just a little over 2,000sq ft) – but we’ll see how it plans out.
@dowlingm wrote:good to see the reopening of Cork-Midleton rail is generating growth along the line!
I think this development has predominantly earmarked the dual-carriageway as its traffic source – however, you are right that when (‘IF’ knowing CIE) the Midelton line is up and running, it will certainly be an attractive sales pitch.
*UPDATES*
🙁 I’ve never been a strong supporter of this project – Grangefield Developments (Mr. Keohane et al) has been approved by ABP following appeal to partially demolish the Arbutus Lodge and construct apartment blocks, now reduced to 4-storeys, encompassing 30 apartments. This is a great shame as it represents a further loss for Cork’s fading grand residencies to apartments. The location is entirely unsuitable from an aesthetic, amenity and traffic management perspective and is a further blow to Cork’s already inadequate, tithering green-space.
lexington wrote:opus – the OPW approached consulting engineers, the David Kelly Partnership in 2002 about assessing redevelopment options for Sullivans Quay before ultimately deciding to relocate full-stop. A number of options were presented to the OPW about remodelling the Sullivans Quay Government Buildings, before it became clear structural and foundation issues would be too expensive and difficult to correct. I have a file load of drawings and reports made regarding the building’s redesign but I’ll only post one (below) for the time being due to the limited space. Click on the thumbnail for a fuller image.
Thanks again for the news. Think it would be better if it was redeveloped as something other than an office block, the current setup attacts a lot of street drinking by night so imagine a residential development would be better. Well hopefully anyway.The ‘eejit’ from an taisce has really sunk to a desperate new low. Objecting to a GIFT from Howard Holdings to the people of Cork City just because he thinks some vague nautical notion would be slightly better than the excellent design currently proposed is just very very sad.
I think this person would not be happy unless all planning applications were ‘run’ passed him before they even got to Navigation House. It makes me sick and further tarnishes An taisce- which, in theory is a good idea.
This person surely knows he hasnt a snowballs chance of winning an appeal to ABP. Why is he doing it? So, he gets his name in the paper by delaying a public amenity… well, if thats how he gets his kicks 🙁@Radioactiveman wrote:
The ‘eejit’ from an taisce has really sunk to a desperate new low. Objecting to a GIFT from Howard Holdings to the people of Cork City just because he thinks some vague nautical notion would be slightly better than the excellent design currently proposed is just very very sad.
I think this person would not be happy unless all planning applications were ‘run’ passed him before they even got to Navigation House. It makes me sick and further tarnishes An taisce- which, in theory is a good idea.
This person surely knows he hasnt a snowballs chance of winning an appeal to ABP. Why is he doing it? So, he gets his name in the paper by delaying a public amenity… well, if thats how he gets his kicks 🙁Over 90% of An Taisce appeals to ABP are upheld that is because they are grounded in fact and unlike the above post they are neither frivilous nor vexatious. Grow up and keep away from the personal stuff
@Radioactiveman wrote:
The ‘eejit’ from an taisce has really sunk to a desperate new low. Objecting to a GIFT from Howard Holdings to the people of Cork City just because he thinks some vague nautical notion would be slightly better than the excellent design currently proposed is just very very sad.
Can you elaborate on this a bit more? To what extent was it to be a gift? What was the Nautical Notion? I apolagise if this is further back in this thread, but I dont recall it and there is so much on this thread that it would be difficult to find.
Thanks
Phil
Diaspora, it’s An Taisce Corcaigh we’re talking about here. They do not have a great track record and have built up quite a bad reputation locally.
Diaspora, I stand by my above comments 100%. To bring an appeal against a piece of public art because the appeallant has a different artistic vision than the artist or the benefactor is entirely frivalous.
By making such an objection, the An Taisce member in question made this appeal very personal in nature. This appeal is made because of personal taste in art rather than any planning legislations/guidlines or development plans.
This is not what ABP is designed for@Radioactiveman wrote:
Diaspora, I stand by my above comments 100%. To bring an appeal against a piece of public art because the appeallant has a different artistic vision than the artist or the benefactor is entirely frivalous.
I think you are jumping the gun here entirely, the multi-coloured fountain that was put onto O’Connell St was a piece of art that was inserted entirely into the wrong place, it lasted a few short years in a streetscape and was promptly dispatched to Herbert Park. A sculpture like a building has to be assessed under a number of criteria not least its compatibility with what is already insitu. If An Taisce Cork have concerns they are quite correct to raise these, ultimately ABP will rule on the matter and their decision will be final. Remember that Cork City Council planners have referred this to An Taisce for their opinion which has been given.
Ok, thats a fair point. However, with a building, for example, there are ways to establish its suitability for an area- height, use, density, parking, etc.
With an art work like this, isn’t it a bit rich of AnTaisce to try to influence what sort of inspiration the artist has- suggesting that a nautical/marine theme would have been better?
Prospective benefactors must look at this and say- is it really worth the bother.?
In order to try to calm nerves here I’ll say this. Much of the objections brought by An Taisce are reasonable and of course deserve to be taken into account when making planning decisions. Some however, including this one I believe, are entirely unreasonable. I guess ABP will ultimately decide on the validity of any objections raised. We’ll wait and see.
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