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Yeah good idea, if i only had a few grand lying around …………….
But would you not agree with the fact that if it were moved you would get alot less suits and more hardcore supporters?
Your missing my point, when you go to the the matches in Lansdowne, who are the more vocal fans those in the stands or on the terrace. The well to do people in the stands dont create any atmosphere, the people in the terraces who are dressed up, face painted, with drums and horns etc. create a far better atmophere, that cant be denied. You should go to a match to support your team not watch a football match, some big manager or player said that and i agree.
The only advantage Lansdowne has is that its close to town, and im not sure if that is really an advantage to be honest with you. Of course it has a Dart, but Im assuming Abbotstown will get a metro which will cancel the Dart out as an advantage. Also where do you think youll get better support from the suits in D4 or people from Tallaght, Blanchardstwon etc?
I pisses me off here with the crappy infrastructure aswell,but you cant always complain. I mean they are doing a hell of alot to adress the situation and things wont change overnight. I read on the IRFU’s website that the construction of the stadium will take two years, now anyone have any idea how long it would take to get planning permission etc? Id assumme though that itll be another few months atleast before permision is given for it to be built.
But by the time the stadium is built, we will have the port tunnel, luas, M 50 completed with more lanes and better interchanges, Dart upgrade, extra bus lanes, higher capacity on all trains serving Dublin, have you not seen cie’s ads on how much the capacity is increasing? The aiport to city centre metroline will probably be complete at around the same times as the stadium, the Liffey is getting watertaxis, i mean congestion here should have declined substantially by the time the stadium opens. Its not always good to think so short sighted.
Also how many matches do you know that kick off during rush hour? Soccer matches always kick off at 7.30 during weekdays and 3.00 on Saturday. The traffic using the roads would be far less than would be using it at peak hours.
Heres a link to the proposed metro network, note Blanchardstown and all its surrounding rail lines.
Hang on the capacity is 50,000 not 500,000. Its not as if everyone will drive is it and if even assuming a majority did, how many go to matches on their own? Whenever im walking to Lansdowne for a match the cars are normally full and you know they are going to the match becuase of the jerseys, hats, scarfs etc their wearing. The car park could also be used as a park and ride for the metro. Contiue the metro on and run it under the blanchardstown shopping centre and put a stop underneath it.
I like the fact that Lansdowne is near town but the site is very restrictive, i also feel that the Dart hinders access to the stadium, any time one go’s by a few thousand fans are stuck behind the gates waiting for it to open. The biggest joke though is after the match when everyone wants to leave and a Dart is passing, have you ever experienced the congestion in the stadium when that happens? People cant move for about five minutes. No id definetly say Abbotstown, the M50 is to be upgraded so are the interchanges, it has a railline and is to be served by a metro, what more do you want? One could also build a stadium faster and cheaper on a greenfield site. The idea of a sporting campus there is a good one, the National Aquatic Centre is already there and it is fantastic from what ive heard and read. Think of the contribution the IRFU could make if they sold Lansdowne for apartments. Or would it be possible for them to build apartments on the site and then sell them themselves?
Could you imagine what the IRFU could sell Lansdowne for? I think the site is 9 acres. I say sell the site and build a stadium in Abbotstown, where you will actually be able to park, is convenient for those coming from outside of Dublin and also Blanchardstown has a rail link dosnt it, i also have read that a metro is to be built to Abbotstown. The FAI has in mind to relocate its headquarters etc to Abbotstown. It also wants a permanent stadium for underage and womens matches, that it says it would like to build there. Plus academys etc. Id say it would be harder to object to the Abbotstown aswell.
I really hope it does mot look like that stadium, id prefer a box stadium if you know what i mean. Like St.James’s Park or Old Trafford, or did anyone see the stadium in which Chelsea were playing the other night in Germany, Schalkes Ground, now that was a stadium! Approximately 50,000 seater aswell. I think this capacity is perfect, the stadium should also be compact and fans close to the action. This will benefit the players, fans and will create a more intimidating atmosphere for the away team. I also doubt the McAlpine stadium is anywhere near 50,000 judging by the photo.
Each Luas line will have the capacity to move 2600 people per hour heading in to town and the same number heading out at peak times!
That is exactly the point im making Niall, i mean im sure you have seen the amount of development along the line, especially around Dundrum and Ballinteer. Its also serving Sandyford Industrial Estate, which is rapidly growing. Oh well, lets just wait and see when it opens shall we. But my point is this, as Niall said the Dart only really has a catchment area on one side, plus the capacity of Luas cant be compared to the Dart.
Decentralisation is not a good idea, i mean i heard that it would relieve Dublin of quite alot of pressure. Now 10,000 is the total number that can be moved, lets be optimistic and say 7500 actually do. That number will be replaced within three months at most with the speed Dublins pop. is growing at.
Basicly you cant run a dart or metro onstreet can you? The Luas is a joke as far as im concerned, with a capacity not even worth talking of. The only way to go is a full blown metro, and Brennan and all the others on this board are right, intergration is key. To get people to use public transport it has to be attractive. Getting a dart. metro or luas to somewhere and the having to walk 10 mins and then getting another train would be a real pain in the arse. Another thing is WS Atkins an irish firm? if so i would do the opposite of what they recommend, get consultants and firms from the continent in to do the job, that actually have experience and know what their talking about.
Great if they ban them there theyll definetly ban them here, we seem to be great at following the english sytem over here!
Another point, i think i read that McCreevie said the line would be unviable, i.e that from the airport to the city centre. It might be at present, i really doubt it though, but by the time it gets built Dublin airport will and has to have another terminal plus pier D etc. The airport is handling over a million extra passengers a year as it is, imagine what it will handle when the other facilities open! Not just that but imagine the amount of development in a reasonable proximity to the line if it were to be built. They really are short sighted here. Build the bloody thing, the only thing i think about Fianna Fail is that they are the only ones in Gov. with the balls to do anything big and drastic.
If you asked the other parties what they intended to do regarding public transport, theyd probably say run more buses, get more people to walk and cycle etc. A fantastically cheap, conservative and ineffective option i think youll agree.
