Port Tunnel
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On the above argument
Basicly you cant run a dart or metro onstreet can you?
Yes you can – as a Luas, trams seem to work elsewhere in the world
The Luas is a joke as far as im concerned, with a capacity not even worth talking of.
The capacity issue is one that has been bandied around by the road lobby obviously it is only going to serve a small amount of the population as it only runs through a certain catchment area i.e. you are not going to drive from Blanchardstown to use it. If there was a Luas in Blanchardstown you may use it and not the car.
intergration is key
Yes it is – but may I remind you that it was the FF Minister Mary O’Rourke who decided the lines would not meet
Another thing is WS Atkins an irish firm?
No – international
get consultants and firms from the continent in to do the job, that actually have experience and know what their talking about.
see above.
If there was a coherant plan from the government eg DTO report the consultants could react suitably to it – but with the dithering by the central government we have got what we voted in.
Are you actually thinking straight saying luas has adequate capacity. The DART really only has a catchment on one side, it has 6carriage trains which are bursting at the seams at peak times.
The Luas line B which will hopefully incorporate metro to the airport has large population catchments on both sides, serves the city centre better than the DART and your claiming that sufficient capacity can be provided by 2 carriage tram units???
GET REAL!!
The Luas has greater frequency than the dart every 3 mins at peak which is at least 5 times the frequency of Dart (I’m a commuter I know these things) which has to share mainlines and each 40 metre unit has a capacity of 250 (I think) as opposed to 800 for a Dart
So 250×5 = 1250
1250 greater than 800
REAL!
That is exactly the point im making Niall, i mean im sure you have seen the amount of development along the line, especially around Dundrum and Ballinteer. Its also serving Sandyford Industrial Estate, which is rapidly growing. Oh well, lets just wait and see when it opens shall we. But my point is this, as Niall said the Dart only really has a catchment area on one side, plus the capacity of Luas cant be compared to the Dart.
Each Luas line will have the capacity to move 2600 people per hour heading in to town and the same number heading out at peak times!
Everybody makes out that the underground system in Paris involves stepping off one train, walking about five steps, and getting on another. Having lived in Paris, this is absolutely not the case.
The distance you have to travel (ie walk underground) in big stations like Chatelet-Les Halles, Montparnesse, Etoile is the equivalent of walking from Stephen’s Green to College Green. It includes staircases etc and with luggage etc can be an absolute nightmare. I won’t even mention the Tube, because it’s worse again.Rory W… My point was based on peak times. You dont seem too knowledgable on the subject even though you’re a commuter. I’m also a commuter and by just picking a random station on the DART on the irish rail website I found that there are 18 trains from Killester to Connolly between 7:08am and 10:12am.
This amounts to 6trains per hour in this direction. this is a frequency average of 1 every ten minutes.
Now the LUAS advertisement boards state there will be a tram every 5mins at peak time.This means there will be 12 trams per hour. Where you got your 3min frequency I dont know, but its wishful thinking
Now with simple maths this gives the Luas a frequency of twice that of the DART.
Now even going by your assumption that a 6 carriage DART carries 800 people that gives
800×6 = 4800 for the DART over this specific period of time
250×12 = 3000 for the Luas over the same time period.
Also if some people at irish rail got the finger out and introduced some sort of clockface timetable for the DART you could have better service if additional rolling stock was made available.
The stop/Station at the green is a red Herring if anyone analysed the port tunnel’s construction. As the construction of the line would be underground tunnelling would commence in Spencer Dock and Finish in Heuston (most convient points close to)
The ducts for people could be commenced from below the surface in the same way that the ventilation for the port tunnel is being done.The only effect at the Green would be the lift/escalator shfts bringing people and services up and down. Solution move the LUAS tracks back 50-200 Metres whatever is required for the overground station. Which would be very little.
Regarding super cube trailors, there are two points, firstly a lot of freight capacity is limited by the weight limits of c40tonnes. At the higher end shipments are getting smaller as supply chain management practices dictate logistics strategies. This is particularly relevent
to Silicon/Viagra Ireland.The second point is volume limit 4.65 metres equates to about 3m of usable space, therefore 0.5 metres only gives another 16.66% of space for Tescos toilet rolls.
Forget Jimmy Quinn look at Ken Whelan of the Irish Exporters Assciation, he spent a lot more time on the dismantling of Rail Freight facilities at spencer dock and pushing Aer Rianta to make their first investment in Air Cargo at Dublin Airport in Dublin Airport since the 1980’s ( A wire Fence)
Air Freight is the future
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