An Irish National Stadium!
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An Irish National Stadium!…..will we ever see the day when it’s built . Check out Prime Time on RTE tonight……big discussion about it.
Open up Croke Park to all sports says all, but we definitely need a redevelped Landsdowne Road as well.
Shame on the Irish government for promising the Irish people one and delivering none!
(In Glasgow there are 3 stadia; Hampden Park, Celtic Park and Ibrox)
Any move on the redelopment of that last ”kip’ part of Croke Park aka Hill 16?…..what an eyesore!
I agree Greg,
There is something special about that pint in Drumcoundra before the game.
There is equally something special about the walk from Toners in Baggot St in the other codes.
There was a dissertation done in 2002 in Bolton St Lib by a guy called David Brock on the Re-Dev of Landsdowne.
What I Never under stood was the location at Abbotstown.
There is a great GAA match on in Parnell Park on Sunday, A team called the ‘Underdogs’ or all the headbangers who were to undisciplined to play for their own Counties vs Meath (I think Meath) Anyway 3pm next Sunday with Bertie throwing the Ball in
and are replacing it with!!!!! drum role!!!!!!
and new hill..just bigger. nothing like an irish solution to an irish problem. i think it’s absolutely crazy not to finish it off. it’s one of the finest stadia in the world and then they just stop! where is the sense in that.oh! and i agree fully. we need another stadium. opening up croker is the best solution at present. i actually wonder if the gaa are going to pay back the taxpayer for all the money it got from us? and damn shame on the gov. what is it ??6 years promising us a stadium and nothing…i say , back to the 80,000 and bugger the money…just build it. they wasted enough on other projects…just get one right boys…
Cheers Fin,
I think there are issues beyond the look of the Stadium for the GAA around Croker.
They have spent a lot of time and money dealing and clarifying matters with the local residents. All the goodwill they have built up would I imagine evaporate if the Stadium was finished. The point made on Q&A by Jarleth from Armagh was facinating when he asked if the Govt emptied their coffers could they pay for the 32 County infrastructure and get so many people to work for nothing to keep their game going.
Landsdowne should be built and it is clear that the land exists if the Landsdowne backpitches are used. It sits beside an existing DART Station, Hotels and some of the flashier bars.
You cannot invent that type of infrastructure at a green field location. It takes decades, well at least long enough for the Dubs to win Sam againpoint taken.
and regards the locals around croker…too much emphasis is placed on this. they benefit greatly from big games for a few days a year when they are inconvienced with lots of people around there houses. and there is very rarely trouble. but current thinking leans towards this troublesome inclusion of a minority in infrastructural projects that will benefit the larger population.oh! i think we need a dictator…it’ll certainly stop all this nonsense..
croker is a far more interesting stadium for it not being ‘comlpete’. hill 16 gives the stadium some charecter and you can see back ot of the stadium and realise where you are. it also makes the projecting canopeys at the ends look insanely long, great. and when your passing on the train you can catch glimpses into the stadium in stead of passing thru some tunnel. if it was all encircled in the same manner it would look like any other stadium in the world. as it is now its dublin’s stadium. i realise they cant just leave the hill like it was but i hope they keep is scale and these elements.
does anyone have any images of what they are proposing?Simple solution, bring in the Portuguse to plan and build one stadium as they have just finished 6 on time and on budget and the Spanish to plan and build the infrastructure to same !! In the meantime Anfield sounds fine to me as Liverpool has always been a great soccer city and a surburb of Dublin.
Is the fact that Ireland has no domestic soccer infrastructure not the biggest problem at all.
When Stade De France was finished they had two tenants lined up in PSG and Stade Francais, Here Leinster represent the biggest Dublin crowd puller outside the BOI Football championship. There move of games to Landsdowne has failed in terms of both extra punters and more critically atmosphere.
Go to http://www.srfcultras.ie to see the travails of developing a domestic base in this country.
The stadium is going to lose money due to a lack of domestic commercial viability. The question is, how much does it lose and when and where do these loses commence.
Just Because it would directly lose money does not mean that it shouldn’t be built. In reality how many heritage sites don’t lose a tidy sum annually, so it follows that The Rock of Cashel will not be closed because it loses cash directly.
But I think two things need to be nailed before a decsion is made. Firstly the IRFU will have to part with Donnybrook and give the all cash to the project,the FAI and IRFU should both use different names for the stadium to maximise the naming revenue directly again into the capital cost.
Secondly a comprehensive and balanced analysis of the real (not Bulls…) spin off effects would need to be undertaken. Using a genuine comparible such as Finland
If it passes those we have a stadium Me thinks
I don’t see abbotstown as a runner, the IRFU already own the land, the sale of the abbotstown lands could further finance the project.
do they? i never knew that. i thought it was gov land. were the gov going to buy it off irfu then? and yea. that seems to be a dead duck now alright.
No sorry,
That was a little unclear, the government own abbotstown labs. They have relocated them at a cost of €100m+ it is Landsdowne that the IRFU own.I really cant believe no one has mentioned this or even thought of it! Fifa does not allow standing or temporary seating at soccer internationals, the FAI’s allowance for temporary seating has just expired, so Croke Park if it is opened up to football, will only be three quarters of a stadium with no fans on Hill 16. Croke Park will be opened up sooner or later, its a fact. Anyway its another great example of the short term thinking in this country, i mean what kind of retards are in charge of infrastructure in this country? No one either on T.V or in the press has mentioned the point i just made, i think it is a very obvious problem. Work should be stopped immediately on Hill 16, and the stadium should be finnished properly, i.e a proper stand should be built.
well said however the reason i think it was never mentioned is that the rest of the stadium is large enough that a few thousand seats might not make too much difference and fifa hasn’t renewed the temp seating in lansdowne but it doesn’t mean they won’t give it for croker..either way it isn’t that big an issue in relation to opening it up. and by no means is it a certainty that they will open it up.
Fin, a few thousand seats! Id say it would be somewhere in the region of 10,000, plus i personally feel the stadium looks unfinished with Hill 16. Ive also heard enough about Rule 42 and its reasons. Do they realise it wasnt only Croke Park where innocent Irish were killed, what about the streets and buildings such as the GPO and the Dail where Irish were killed by the british, should we ban British people from here aswell?
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