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exactly. why? listing isnt an obstacle to growth and expression. you quoted scotland as an example. take edinburgh. buildings on princes street have been gutted and facaded retained for good reasons. the character of the city should be retained. all that fabulous stone with centuries of weathering creating a great patina on the stone faces of all those buildings. would you like to see scotts memorial destroyed so that some wanker can stick up a 120metre spike in its place? in that same city, by the queens house (holyrood) the new contreversy-ridden parliament building is under construction. behind that is the dynamic earth pavilion with its great tensile structure. these buildings are inventive, creative, and add to the character of the city, but should never be used as an excuse to rip away centuries of accumulated urban fabric (pardon the buzzword).
ireland is a little island with a hell of a lot of green fields. in a few of these fields are big old houses which used to have rich silly english ppl in them, poking oirish yokels with sticks. if there is a possibility that these buildings may add to the country, preserve much needed cultural heritage, and make a few quid out of fat stupid american pockets, then consideration must be given to keeping them.
curse duchas and an taisce all you like but they are simply expressing a point of view that many ppl in this country hold. more power to them (maybe not, and less power to planners too. why arent architects in government?)
i’m glad ppl are expressing strong opinions about this topic. theres a tendency, especially amongst ensconced dubliners, that things should be left as is, auld dublin and all that. where would smithfield be now with that attitude prevailing? these streets, parnell, moore, not as much capel, kings inn and definitely upper o’connell, need to be activated asap to bring in revenue, foot traffic, business, etcetera.
fair point about another grafton street, but its possible to improve this area without mimicking past models. grafton street works because its full of money, every shop front is open and accessible, and ppl use it day and night with confidence. not many ppl comfortably walk past (s)hooters, down moore street, and along o’connell street at night without being on there gaurd, and i think in a modern city that sort of fear and anxiety should be avoided. and could be avoided, with a little effort
dang an taisce to heck. libeskinds idea is brave yes but a bit soul-less i reckon.
they should invite architects from around ireland to present stuff too. who’s in charge of this thing? and how did terry devey get him to do that work?
I meant blow-ins like myself, from the south. i think its great to have multicultural centres like the parnell and moore street area have become. i just meant i personally dont feel very comfortable there, except perhaps during peak trading hours which bring a nice bustle about the place. and its only an opinion. i’m a bit difficult to please when i can see what could easily be done to improve things.
by oppressive i mean the big triangles casting looming shadows and making otherwise useful trading space dark and dingy.
the character of the street needs to be restored using well thought out and non-intrusive interventions and modifications to facades. as a market street it works wonderfully but could have more universal appeal
atmosphere? its a pretty unwelcoming place for blow-ins and tourists. the oppressive ilac hood destroys the upper end of it, i like the henry street end where its open and people arent too pushy. i’d like to see its character open up a bit and make it more inviting. and it stinks. but i guess thats what happens when you sell fish
if theres anywhere needs it more pls tell me. moore street has become so delapitated its not even funny.
any images of the bucholz mcevoy plan? has it been directly outsourced to them or was there a call for proposals?
i know i mentioned this ion the cork related post, but it is so important that districts surrounding city centres are developed properly. these areas are the first and last thing a visitor to a city sees, i came in from dublin airport last week and its so depressing going past santry and all the rest. such a shame.
the lead up to dublin from the west isnt so bad. lots of open space and views to parks and trees. but coming into cork from any angle is a miserable experience. if spencer dock is intended as a new nodal point for transport it would indeed be a shame to show off even a little of what this countries architects are capable of
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Personally i think there should be put in place a comprehensive masterplan, following studies by external groups and/or a competition, for the whole shambles that is corks transport infrastructure. i mean look at the approaches from the west (where i have to drive in from). loop de loop round the station, go dockside for a bit then back up by the railway carpark and in another u-turn to get to the station. i’m pretty sure irish rail own all that land and its misuse is upsetting. surely all approach bus, rail and car transport could be accommodated on this vast site.
and as an aside, what the hell is the story with the state of that road from silversprings up to the quays. bloody disgrace. remember they closed it for over 6 months for “improvements” and now its even worse.
oh what i wouldnt do for a few billion euro and 3 years of calatravas time
cheers mich. i think the one you mean is neil hegartys scheme on barrack street. its well done and fits in well i reckon.
i’ve seen that house my mc garry etc before. i love the way it opens up to the landscape, and the use of materials.
thanks everyone else. cant get to sligo or tallaght at the mo but i’ll keep em in mind. if you can think of the name of the architect for that site by the bridge inn, or any similar projects come to mind i’d appreciate it
wheres that new entrance to the station going? if there was ever a place in need of a major revamp its that kip, and our stinky bus station too. cheapo version of busaras with half heartedly wavy canopy and a facade like a mules hide
what does bug me however are those stupid canopies ove what looks like an eatery in the second photo
i think those girders are great. like the ones by the bus station. if they were cleaned up a bit and given a fresh coat they’d be an improvement. long live over sized simplistic trusses.
btw, where did those images of the boardwalk come from? whos the architect?
a lot of corks larger developments escape scrutiny in national circles because people are slow to publish them and show them off. For example in the recent aai awards only billy wilson and james leahy (to my knowledge) were recognised for their work. admittedly billys work is a bit dodge, still working off that expo he collaborated on, but surely cork is producing quality work that should be shown proudly on the national stage.
rkd mccarthy lynch and riordan staehli, and also wain morehead, are doing great work, in housing, public projects, and a few good domestics too. i think the question of bad buildings being allowed permission is a matter to be addressed by people being more informed as to whats going on in their area. for example, the redevelopment of the douglas village shopping centre is being fiercely opposed because the local people take active interest in what is built around them, and it has to be said the proposals are pretty horrific, but at the other side of the city, the new blackpool shopping centre went ahead despite the fact that its a hulk, looks more like a defunct departures lounge than the giant tesco boat that it is.
contrast that with dubliner’s attitudes to major projects, especially when they impact their lives through their scale and strategic importance. look at o’connell street. the spike was help up for years because of individuals who were clued in to what was being planned for their streets, but now patricks street is being ripped apart, beth galli’s monstrous lights are going up everywhere, and people are looking around wide-eyed wondering how all this came about.
Its easy to understand at times why cork based architects are so slow to make efforts toward gaining recognition. With it comes exposure and from that publicity, which invites difficulties in planning and more scrutiny by locals, press and architectural buffs. Contrasting that with a quiet life and easier planning, its not incomprehensible. And anyway, why bother when everyone who cares is based in dublin. Cork people are personified by the likes of Neil Hegarty, recently retired as city architect. He’s a practical, straight down the middle stalwart of traditional approaches to change and development. What cork needs is a litte adventure. A daring new airport, a renewal of the bus and rail bases and the transport infrastructure, a little madness from the planners, and some crazy young architects given the chance to shine. And a big wrecking ball for that infernal county hall
was watching a bit of the basketball from the n.b.a yesterday, the lads got bet by the ukranians, and i’m pretty sure a lot of them would have run rings around me too
sorry rita. i imagine i’d virtually slap you aswell if you had said this was britain.
and no peter i dont remember the 80’s, i was only born the second year in. however you do seem to remember, but please dont use that to excuse any of the crap you have to put up with these days. its a very governmental angle to take, look how shitty it used to be? count yourselves lucky. and what on earth is a “problem of success”?
the 3 buildings on capel street have been extensively refurbished, while maintaing the same arrangement and floor plan. i think their reinstatement is a lot better than the typical approach in the last 10 years which was to gut the whole lot, facade and all, and stick in a monstrosity like no.1 jervis street or jervis place apartments around the corner
you’re a rubbish generalisation 🙂
walk down o’connell street and through temple bar at 3am tomorrow nite then tell me i’m wrong.
obviously i dont think every one of the million dublinians are dispicable. i cant even spell the word properly for gods sake. it is an impression one sometimes get and thats it, an opinion. one i share with many, including unlucky or observant tourists. i’d defend dublin as well as anyone when it is called for, but dublin is not improving as the capital of a strong capitalist state. its more a sign of buracracy than the mindset of this country, and thats what makes my blood boil.
e.g spains building and repairing 10 stadia for the price of our one. the spike shambles. the issues with the new bridge. the woefully inadequate efforts to restore o’connell street. the failed living over the shop scheme that could, with proper management, have brought some dignity back to areas like capel street.
think what you like of o’connell street, and i’d like to hear your and everyones opinions, but i find it difficult to see good points about the city centre.
incidentally, no offence intended to anyone from dublin,obviously i wasnt referring to you. anyone who attended a school of architecture or has enough interest in it to look at this site is no doubt above all the peons who roam those fetid footpaths
