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@phatman wrote:
Wow. Bet you’re one of these people who’d be all for tearing down half the city centre and replacing it with shoddy apartment blocks. What about the character and history? With the exception of parts of North Main Street and the likes, Cork is anything but grey and ugly. And I wouldn’t even consider comparing the Elysian with the city centre ‘in general’…
Hmm, I don’t mean to be offensive, but I do disagree. I think Cork has some nice little lanes, and I like the South Mall because it’s the only street in the city that looks like a city rather than a town. I think Patrick Street is a failed project, full of dirty and decrepit looking buildings. MacCurtain Street looks like it’s straight out of the 70s. Washington Street is just a bunch of warehouses, and the Grand Parade is another failed project full of clutter and totally lifeless in the lower half. The quays are mind-numbingly ugly from Patrick Street right down to the bus station and beyond, on both sides. And the surrounding hills, areas like Shandon etc., are full of those old plastered grey buildings which depress the hell out of me. The big problem with Cork, like most Irish towns and cities, is the lack of attention to detail. There are some nice old buildings that are dirty, or badly kept etc. The paving stones on Patrick Street and Grand Parade are ugly and depressing. They should have used the golden French limestone paving stones they’re using in Limerick.
Cork has great potential. If they made an effort to orient the city towards the rivers, and to replace the ugly warehouse-type structures along it. I certainly don’t think, as you suggest, that historical buildings should be torn down. Cork is pretty unlucky in having very few really interesting historical buildings like Limerick or Dublin, but it should at least make an effort to properly preserve and clean the ones that it has, and pay attention to tiny details. And since outside of the very centre there’s widespread decrepitude and degradation, I don’t see a problem with knocking down tottering old buildings and constructing some tall ones like the Elysian.
@Angry Rebel wrote:
You should see it from the other side, it is a landmark. Landmark ugly.
That’s true. Well it’s nice from one angle and then revolting from another, where you can see how it kind of fans out on the top. But, in fairness, Cork in general has a grey and ugly city centre and that’s probably one of the most interesting things there right now.
@Dreamstate wrote:
I take your point , but Arthurs Quay park was also once enclosed by railings.
Also , the skateboarders previously practicing at Tait now have somewhere to go ( Steamboat Quay Skate Park).
Are you sure that the ‘Goths’ are the ones who made the mess?;)It’s amazing how elegant that looked before they got rid of the lyric theatre. I suppose it’ll be twenty years before the piece of crap there now can be replaced with something more elegant, but the least they could do is put those trees back to cover that revolting georgian thing attached to the bank.
I suppose people object to the Goths because they don’t fit in with the old dignified image of Ireland as being composed of pasty people with their eyes turned downwards walking around in duffel coats and bad haircuts.
@johnglas wrote:
GregF: just turn your argument on its head (as it were) and you’ll see its absurdity.
So, we are to understand from this that those in favour of tall buildings are insensitive and juvenile?
I thought so…:cool:If the sensitive and the elderly are those offended by tall buildings, it logically follows only that all of those who are not elderly and are not sensitive are not necessarily offended by tall buildings, not that they are in favour of them as you imply.
Furthermore, in this case “sensitivity” is clearly used as a negative term equating to “over-sensitivity”, so that its opposite will not be “insensitivity”. Recall Aristotle’s golden mean: would you suggest that foolhardiness is the opposite of cowardice? No, bravery is, which is in the centre of the spectrum stretching from foolhardiness to cowardice. I believe that the opposition to sensitivity (i.e. over-sensitivity) is a perfectly valid injunction toward the mean in the spectrum stretching from over-sensitivity to insensititivity. Similarly, if we take “elderly” in this context to connote a sort of conservative old-fashioned opposition to what is perceived as youthful extravagance and instability, then a criticism of this quality is not an injunction to adopt juvenility, which is merely at the opposite end of the spectrum and equally as bad, but rather an injunction to adopt the mean of these two terms.
And, presuming this is indeed his point, I agree with him.
@Yossarian wrote:
:rolleyes:
it was a gag about your mis-spelling of ‘pursueing’ – ‘purse-ing’ geddit?
poor, poor joke… :rolleyes:
Especially since in your explanation of it you also misspelled ‘pursuing’.
@ShaneP wrote:
Just saw this in the Limerick leader – Sounds promising!
Limerick city to get new seven screen cinema
Bedford Row: plans for a multi-screen cinema
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08 October 2008
By Anne Sheridan
A SEVEN screen cinema complex could be opened in the city centre in the next two years if Limerick City Council gives its approval.
Developer Michael Daly of Fordmount Developments, has confirmed that he has now bought the remainder of the properties on Bedford Row and wants to open the first cinema in the city for nearly a decade.Under the planned €20million redevelopment of the area, fashion outlets will continue on one side of Bedford Row, with food outlets overhead.
It is hoped the opposite site of the pedestrianised street will comprise of a seven or eight screen cinema complex.
“We expect to have the planning application in before Christmas and have it ready for next September. We really want to create a leisure area to revitalise the city centre. We (Fordmount Developments] have 150 apartments rented out so we need to provide something for people,” said Mr Daly.
The first premise purchased by Fordmount Developments in July was Nevada Smiths pub on the corner of Bedford Row and Henry Street. Other outlets including Cafe on the Row and Figaro have now been acquired.
Finally! It’s probably the single most important thing you can do to bring a bit of life back to the city. But I hope that this whole block is redeveloped, not just those few buildings, especially along the O’Connell Street side.
@dave123 wrote:
Would they have to knock all of the Richmond block?. I haven’t being down that way in a while, In my opinion the Richmond block doesn’t look to bad, or it just me?
To me it would be sensible to retain at least a fraction of the existing proposed high rise elements, It would give more charactor too, if they are proposing to take the whole block anyway!
The land values are pretty expensive here, and will shoot up eventially. So i can see that there is some sense to inject further development here. Bear in mind the whole area here, is zonnd for High density and high rise, in The city development plans.
I didnt say they would have to be renaissance arcades, im saying that if you cut into buildings in order to create a place where shoppers can walk and sit in the rain, you wont have any more ugly awnings and you wont have our city centre being turned into a shopping mall. It could be a perfectly modern design.
What I am proposing is arcades, what they are proposing is a glorified shopping mall. BIG difference! One is classy, one is cheap.
Let me get this straight. This idiot insulted the guy who curated the Venice Biennale in order to get him back because he told the truth about the general shittiness of Irish architecture, and you think it was a good article?
1. the fact that it’s two storeys higher is the only interesting thing about it.
2. the neighbouring buildings, and the buildings in this whole area, are some of the grisliest and depressing developments i’ve ever seen in my short life.I like the scale of the big plan for the city centre, but if the planners are reading this, here’s a suggestion:
Limerick this year didn’t have a summer, it rained every day. Same last year. When designing buildings for these streets, incorporate arcades in them, like you see in a lot of Italian cities. This will provide shelter from the rain where people can sit and enjoy their lunch while also smoking a cigarette if they want to. Since every eatery in the country is now putting flimsy tables and chairs in the street and even flimsier awnings over people in a vain attempt to keep them dry, why not incorporate this feature into these new city centre streets to account for a rather big change in the habits of Irish people in recent years. If there’s any place that needs arcades like this, it is Ireland.
@Hafez wrote:
Might be a good oppurtunity to put a starbucks in there seeing as there are no others in the city.
that about sums up the attitude to architecture on this forum
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=7925&d=1218657464
what have those fuckheads done to our city?
@jimg wrote:
I’m gutted. Limerick takes a step closer to being Ireland’s answer to a soulless, UK provincial town; Swansea – anyone?
:rolleyes: Horrible, horrible. Arthur’s Quay on steroids.
There’s so much brownfield in Limerick why destroy a huge chunk of historical stock? It can only be justified by a hatred of Georgian and historic buildings as none of these buildings are derelict given they are in active use (or were up to a year ago or so). The current terrace from the bridge to Ellen St. will be missed. It’s the same idiocy which welcomed the destruction of the old Cannocks building (and most of that block), championed the Sarsfield St. Dunnes, the creation of Liddy St., Arthur’s Quay, etc.. And no, a single restoration along with fascade retention (an 80s concept which at this stage would be laughed at by any enlightened planning dept) does not imply anything but the meanest lip-service to respecting Limerick’s historic structure. This developing is so dated in concept and execution it’s laughable.
Mark my words, in less than 20 years time, people will look at “old” photos of Patrick St. and Ellen St. as they are now and wonder wtf were people thinking?
I absolutely agree. Why couldn’t they just leave the georgian buildings alone and buy out all that tat which is on the other side of michael st.? When they come to knock down Arthur’s Quay, you can bet that those georgian facades still attached to it will go aswell, so that the illusion that there was any retention of the georgian buildings will be exposed for what it is, a lie. When they knock down the Opera Centre, somebody will point out that all that remains are facades, so there’s no point in keeping them.
Limerick City Council is, by any standards, the worst city council in the history of the world. They have presided over the destruction of the historic georgian city of Limerick. It makes me want to retch in my dinner that these criminals and buffoons are getting paid out of our taxes. They should be tarred and feathered and hunted out of Limerick. They’re a bunch of incompetent, parochial, fat, pasty, peanut-brained, overpaid assholes, with brains the consistency of green, spinach-tainted messy shit. There are no words in English strong enough to express my contempt for them. They should be fed to the radioactive fishes.
@KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:
shanekeane:
Really? What about the Ellen Street side just past the corner entrance? The mockup is nice blue sky and sunny, but will the bland side facade there (which will not look white in dull Limerick weather) really look better than the brick buildings along the street at present? Sure the old AIB building is an eyesore, but I think the development will just change Ellen Street from a rundown brick facaded street to a modern faceless alley.
Ok, hang on. The corner of Ellen Street and Michael Street? That is currently boarded up, was until recently a surface car park. Actually it wasn’t, it was just a piece of tarmac across the road from the Watergate flats with broken glass all over it that people used as a car park. I’m not saying that this is magnificent, but it will surely look better than that.
I can’t see from the picture how far this goes down. Does it take up the whole of Ellen Street? I actually quite like Ellen Street. It has old antique shops and shopfronts and if it were cleaned up and pedestrianized it could be quite quaint. I certainly don’t agree with knocking the Georgian buildings, but I think that picture shows what will be on the corner part which is just tarmac.
@Tuborg wrote:
The top image is the proposed entrance at the corner of Ellen Street/Michael Street, not very inspiring is it? Unfortunately the developers think its an appropriate replacement for the historic buildings on Ellen Street!:rolleyes: The corner feature will be accomodated anyway, regardless of whether the buildings are retained or not as the site is vacant between Quins pub and the street corner!
There are 18 conditions attached to the grant of permission, Dan have you recieved any information on these?
Considering what’s there right now, I don’t think anybody could complain about that corner entrance to the Opera Centre!
that skate park is good, but the railings around it are revolting and contribute to the completely depressing and intimidating feel of that entire area. the strip of land from there down to the clarion hotel has to be one of the most wasted opportunities in limerick. if they just put a few more lamps in there, made sure every ground floor is occupied by a late opening restaurant of cafe with outdoor seating, added a few more riverside benches, and pedestrianized the whole area, it would become a great buzzing riverside area with the skating park adding to the buzz. then if they removed those horrific christmas lights from the bridge and made sure the railings of the bridge and the skate park had a bit of detail and character then there might be a pleasant view from the quay aswell.
people working for profit don’t care if they walk all over the public realm with their despicable money driven visions of our land, where every square metre of landscape is nothing but a profit opportunity. that’s why we have retail parks all over the place. one of the reasons we have planning laws is that these people aren’t given unadulterated control over how our country will look in the future, because they’re nothing but a bunch of parochial nouveau riche jackasses without a scintilla of aesthetic sensibility. given the ridiculous, record breakingly harsh planning laws in this country, how did all this shit get built? apparently only interesting proposals are the ones that get banned.
@Peter Fitz wrote:
Might be over stating things a bit there luxor, but your entitled to your opinion !
I couldn’t agree more with luxor. The whole thing is the most horrendous development I’ve ever seen, and I’m from Limerick! Total lack of imagination, lack of colour, lack of atmosphere. It’s a combination of the totally conservative view of building in this country, the complete vulgarity of those seeking profit, and the complete drabness of the Dublin climate, which was not taken into account when designing these grey buildings.
