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  • in reply to: Developments in Cork #781095

    Hate to keep asking questions about different project, but anyone have any info on the office development beside Penrose Wharf in the present car park ?

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781086

    @lawyer wrote:

    It’s a bit of a mystery.
    3 of them were built at an early stage of East Gate and have never been occupied.
    Now they have built more.
    I believe they tried to get one of the big supermarkets in there at the outset but were refused planning permission.

    Looks as if they have a white elephant on their hands. And it’ll get even worse if Pizza Hut closes. The place is doing very bad business from what I can tell.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781084

    @Hafez wrote:

    Halford, PC World and Currys (I think) are all opening after November 10th in Mahon Point Retail Park 🙂

    About time.

    BTW, anyone know whats doing into those huge warehouse sized buildings behind Pizza Hut in Little Island

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779449

    @goldiefish wrote:

    The amount of fatal accidents there in recent years are evidence enough that its not suitable for a 100km/h speed limit.

    If that road can’t handle 100k then every Secondary route in Ireland should be reduced to 80k too. Ridiculous stuff. No one driving at 100k should cause any crash on that road.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779446

    @THE_Chris wrote:

    No, the lowering of the speed limit is because since the Primary Route, the N8, is now not passing through the town, that road has now been reclassed as an R road. So a lower speed limit. Simple as that.

    That’s true. But there are a number of by-laws which can be brought into action to bring the speed limit back up to 100kph. The whole point of these by-laws was so that R roads which are of a very good quality can have a 100kph limit. If this road isn’t good enough I don’t know what is.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781054

    Any developments on the potential shopping centre encorporating The Cineplex, Central Shoe store and a number of sides fronting St Patrick street ?

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779441

    I drove through Watergrasshill tonight and the traffic was very heavy. Prob more on the old road than on the new bypass.

    Anyone know what Fermoy was like during the week ?

    Also, bringing down the speed limit on the old rod to 80kph is a farce. Why were the by-laws for speed limits on local roads brought in if they aren’t going to be used.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779415

    Well the section from Carrigtohill to Midleton is going to be completely redeveloped with all junctions replaced with fly overs and sliproads. I guess it all depends how good the job they do on that stretch of road.

    Will Cork Co Co use this by-law to raise the speed limit though. I think they should, especially from the top of Glanmire to Watergrasshill. There really isn’t any point not to do so.

    Could also be implemented on the Fermoy to Mitchelstown section of the N7, the proposed Northern Ring Road and the dual carriage upgrade on the N28 road from Roachestown to Ringaskiddy. Add in the future dual carriage way to Limerick planned under the Atlantic Corridor setup.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779413

    Hmm, just a thought.

    I see that certain bye laws can be used to bringing the speed limit on Dual carriageway roads up to 120k/h,

    Any hope of this happening on either the Watergrasshill bypass, the new Road to Midleton or the Ballincollig bypass ?

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779390

    Could someone settle this arguement.

    I make off that years ago, maybe 40 years ago, to travel from Cork to Midleton you would first have to go into Glanmire, over the hump back bridge beside the AIB and up the back of the Water Resevoir and end up at thee back of the present IBIS hotel.

    It was only years later that a bridge was built at the glanmire roundabout which allowed you to get to where the IBIS hotel is today.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779348

    @a boyle wrote:

    this whole population thing is pathetic.

    the cso figures are.
    dublin city : 505,739
    cork city : 119,143
    galway city : 71,983
    limerick city: 52,560

    dublin in at least four times bigger than cork which is one and half times the size of galway which is one and half time the size of limerick.

    Each city can push it’s boundaries out and come up with a bigger number .

    if you do that with dublin you get 1,186,159 living in dublin county. tops a million people are living in a surburb which is contiguous with dublin ,

    as for the other cities it is difficult to say since the urbanisation is so recent.

    but cork could believably claim to 200000 galway 100000 and limerick 750000.

    Just so we know where we stand.

    You could reasonabley expect at least 250,000 out of cork if the likes of Glanmire and Ballincollig was included. I’m guessing you mean 75,000 for Limerick. 😀

    Greater Cork is 186,000 according to 2002 cencus. That doesn’t inclue Douglas which has 20,000 people. Glanmire another 15,000. Ballincollig 15,000 and sundry others which might add up to 10,000.

    That would be 256,000.

    Add in Midleton, Blarney and Carrigaline you get to 274,000 which is the figure stated in the Cork Housing Strategy for the Metropolitan Cork Area.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779343

    @a boyle wrote:

    1 don’t build the barrier.
    2 BTW in very heavy traffic this makes no sense.

    3 jungle is spot on , future proofing does not require building the road now but keeping the option open for the future.

    4. commuter traffic at the edges of both cities takes up all the extra space on the dual carriageways heading into each city. So there is no , repeat no point in building a dualcarriage way between cashel and portaoise until you are able to upgrade the portlaoise dublin section to a 4 lane motorway , and dublin’s m50 to a min six lane motorway, and cork’s ring road to a four lane ring road.

    Boyle, the whole point of 2+1 is that you have a barrier to stop traffic running into oncoming traffic :confused:

    Well, the Cork North Ring Road is going to be built over the next few years. And this will take a hell of a lot of traffic off the Dunkettle Interchange and the southern ring road.

    I don’t think the M50 in dublin needs to be widened. What needs to be done is to sort out all the interchanges which is the main problem, not the lack of lanes.

    Rumours aswell that the section of motorway between Portlaoise is all going to be upgraded to 6 lane motorway. This is evident as the section from Naas inwards is being upgraded to 6 lane.

    Boyle, you’ll be delighted to hear that the entire stretch of the Atlantic Corridor between Cork to Galway is going to be Motorway/Dual Carriageway standard. Although I’ve heard that 2+1 isn’t going to be used in future, I can’t find anything on the internet about it. That prob still means that the Atlantic Corridor from Galway to Donegal and from Midleton to Kilmeaden will be 2+1.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779341

    @jungle wrote:

    Future proofing doesn’t have to involve building a dual carriageway in case it’s needed. All you have to do is reserve enough land to build a dual-carriageway, make sure all bridges can handle a dual carriageway and build a single-carriageway (or 2+1) road where one of the carriageways would be. That is enough to future proof and is substantially less costly than building the entire dual carriageway.

    Again, it looks as if the NRA are not going to use 2+1 after all due to safety issues. A lot of reported crashes where the end of 2nd lane comes up. People trying to get past others before the lane ends and then crash into the barrier before making it.

    For the sake of a few million euro, the Cork Dublin road has to be completed in dual carriageway.

    The 2+1 was primarily going to be used on the Galways to Sligo and Midleton to Waterford sections of the Atlantic Corridor. The Cork to Galway section is and was always going to be full dual carriageway.

    Now, if 2+1 isn’t going to be used on the other 2 sections, what will they use ?

    BTW, as I have pointed out already, in very heavy traffic, 2+1 is a worse setup than single carriageway. This is due to the fact that every 4 miles you will have 2 lanes converging into 1. This would be traffic chaos. This is reportedly another reason why the NRA has scraped the idea of using 2+1.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779337

    Just on the Dunkettle Interchnage

    Does anyone else think that a radical rethink is needed on this roundabout/interchange.

    I’d personally get rid of the 2 sliproads feeding the Glounthane road for a start.

    Secondly I would scrap the roadabout altogether and install a standard motorway interchange with all sliproads etc. You’d be talking no roundabout and no more traffic congestion around the tunnel.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779336

    @a boyle wrote:

    well a 2+1 with slip roads on and off would certainly be much safer than other roads. And building such a road would a lot cheaper.

    The reason i started this was to at least get somebody thinking . a easy billion is being spent building the road to cork. what other things might that have paid for ?

    if the train had a very large capacity and was substantially faster than the road , how many would be left driving ?

    Duilding a dualcarriage way does not future proof much at all, as i have repeatedly tried to explain. What it does is fuel the city sprawl, generating useless commuter traffic. I am not trying to blame the people who do live in the outer suburbs. They are caught in the difficult position of having no options.

    As a country one ought to be putting in place group transport before individual transport.

    Now were are stuck with trying to entice a quarter of a million people into cork and dublin, because it will never be possible to service them adequately whereever they are, or at least at any reasonable cost.

    IIRC, 2+1 is only used in Sweden in Europe. Take a look at Denmark which is of a similar size to Ireland. They have a sizeable motorway network coupled with a decent rail network.

    I’m not saying that 2+1 shouldn’t be used on other routes, but Ireland must be the only country in Western Europe not to have a motorway between its 2 largest cities.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779334

    @bazarrus wrote:

    surely angry rebel is missing the whole point – a 2+1 system would be entirely adequate alongside a viable train option – if the train was guaranteed in 2 hours less drivers would use the road and therefore motorway standard would not be required?

    For the sake of only another 60 miles of road to be completed on the Dublin to Cork road, wouldn’t it be sensible to build all of this in dual carriage and hence far more future proof than 2+1.

    Anyways, the NRA recently came out saying that 2+1 mightn’t be as safe as they thought and it mightn’t be used at all now.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779301

    I think you are wrong.

    There was no traffic at all from Dublin down to Portlaoise due to the quality of the roads.

    If you had 2+1 you would have madness everywhere, especially where the road would reconverge into 1 lane. It would be complete madness on a day like yesterday. Just imagine the backlog caused by 2 lanes of slow traffic merging into 1 every 2 to 3 miles. Crazy. if their was all dual carriage way to Cork, there would be no heavy traffic whatsoever. none at all.

    The cost of 2+1 isn’t that much cheaper.

    BTW, there is only so much capacity on the Cork to Dublin line, with only a limited number of trains. You would need 10 times the amount of trains to make a dent in yesterdays traffic.

    How do you
    1. Deal with all the trains when they wouldn’t be in usage for 99% of the year and justify their cost and
    2. Deal with the fact that their is only one line going into Dublin from kildare onwards. no way could it handle the train traffic.

    Boyle, do you even Drive ? your arguements are bizarre.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779296

    After just getting home and driving home from the match in Dublin, I am even more against Boyle’s point of view with the road network.

    The stretch of road between Cashel and Portlaoise is a disgrace and only a standard motorway/dual carriageway would be sufficient.

    if you were in the traffic that we were in coming into Abbeyleix you’d know about it too. And seemingly this is the same situation every Friday too.

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779264

    Boyle, 2+1 isn’t good enough for Cork Dublin and recently has been shown that it will not even be good enough for the Cork to Galway western corridor.

    In fact the NRA are now even reviewing the usage of 2+1 roads and their the possibility that 2+1 roads may not be used at all.

    Cork to Dublin needs a full motorway. Not the the mish mash that we are getting, while the Dubs are getting motorways EVERYWHERE.

    And the last thing this country needs is another roundabout.

    You mightn’t, but I have to go through the Dunkettle Interchange each day. The roundabout is a joke. Traffic lights and roundabouts is a uniquely Irish phenomenon. If the NRA had done it right from day one, then the Tunnel roundabout would have been nothing but slip roads.

    Same goes for the M50. the reason the M50 is blocked up is due to the poor usage of roundabouts in the M50’s interchanges. If the the road building authorities had any idea at all, the M50 would have been built with no roundabouts at its junctions.

    Boyle, you also do realise that Irish Rail have announced that the Cork – Dublin trains will be travelling at 200k/h once all the track upgrades will be completed by around October ?

    I also have to agree with Angry Rebel that there is no subsidy on the Aer Arann Cork Dublin flight route. Why would you actually want to go by train if you could fly for half the price ?

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779258

    Have to agree with Angry Rebel,

    I think its madness to be building all these dual carriageways up to Motorway standard and yet not classify them as Motorways.

    Every single new stretch of road being built has an alternative route.

    Glanmire to Watergrashill has an alternative route. As does Cork to Carrigtohill. As does Ballincollig bypass etc etc.

    Cork to Dublin should have been built entirely to Motorway standard. Not doing it from the start is just bizarre.

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