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  • in reply to: Convention centre #713783
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    @Cathal Dunne wrote:

    That’s a fabulous picture up the stairwell. It’s really striking. Between this, the new Point, the Grand Canal Square and other things, perhaps the Celtic Tiger years weren’t completely wasted, architecturally speaking.

    Well of those three, the only architecturally distinguished building is the Grand Canal Square theatre. The Point is one of the ugliest things I’ve ever seen.

    in reply to: Carlton Cinema Development #712152
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    @GrahamH wrote:

    So I think it is agreed amongst pretty much everyone – and from all ends of the architecture and planning spectrum on this website – that this is categorically not what O’Connell Street and this new city quarter warrants or deserves in design terms. Therefore a systems failure has to be identified, either in our planning process or in the architectural profession, or both.

    Developers and some architects have often been heard in recent years waxing on about overly-prescriptive planning laws, yet surely the outcome of the above is precisely the result of a lack of clout and clarity in planning policy? Or more pointedly, the erroneous interpretation of planning policy? Alternatively, one can argue that the relative ‘freedom’ offered by planners in this case was to enable architects to come up with imaginative and creative design solutions in accordance with best design practice. Architects, after all, know best when it comes to design – right? Why shouldn’t they be given the rudder on this one? Logic would dictate that they should.

    The reality is that we see both professions culpable in this:

    In spite of some worthy Additional Information modifications made by Dubln City Council, an effectively illegal interpretation of the O’Connell Street ACA under the 2000 Planning Act led to the initial grant for the scheme by DCC: -1 for planners.

    The initial proposal was over-scaled, crudely integrated with its host environment and ignorant of existing building grain and street patterns: -1 to architects, and -1 to planners for granting it.

    An Bord Pleanála then gets called in to clean up the mess as usual. They enforce planning policy and civic design character by decree – hardly the best method of producing creative design solutions: both +1 and -1 to the planning system.

    Architects come back with a thoroughly dismal redesign that could not express in bricks and mortar the concept of a mean-spirited, begrudging sulk any more if it tried. The O’Connell Street frontage attempts little distinguished sense of urbanity or clarity of expression, never mind anything that approaches a civic-minded outlook for the first major intervention on the capital’s main throughfare in nearly a century: -1 to architects

    An Bord Pleanála now reassesses, and grants permission on the basis of a raft of conditional redesign measures that attempt to address the refusal of the promoters to engage in a meaningful manner with the critical planning and design issues at stake. The result is a compromise that does nobody any favours, and where the energy that is expended in the whole arduous process would have been immeasurably better spent concentrated on a thoughtful and engaging urban design proposal – critically, had the guidance been there from the outset.

    Well this is hardly only being identified now. It’s a common motif with big projects – something ambitious but crude is rejected, but then something less crude and infinitely more bland is accepted, thus making most stuff built in Dublin bland.

    These are some of the problems:
    -There is inconsistency in deciding what is appropriate for Dublin’s streetscapes. An Bord Pleanala and DCC are not on the same page, and the latter do not even adhere to their own guidelines.
    -Dublin City Council seem content to grant permission to crude projects if they’re exciting enough.
    -An Bord Pleanala gets the final say, and it’s more concerned with maintaining the blandness of Dublin, than with ensuring innovative and exciting architecture.

    The system doesn’t work. Nobody is ensuring the architectural quality of the buildings granted permission. An Bord Pleanala operates like a damage limitation team, trying desperately to hold on to the limited heritage left in Dublin, rather than creating an innovative fusion of old and new. In my view, the guidelines about building in areas like O’Connell St. need to be less restrictive, both for ABP and DCC, and the counterbalance needs to be that the whole process is overseen by some sort of architectural quality board, which will have a coherent and forward-thinking vision for Dublin. It is, after all, the capital.

    in reply to: Dundalk #752731
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    You know the more pictures you post, the more you back up my point. You can’t expect every business and resident in the country to be cursed with ugly, badly maintained, squat, and badly laid out little sheds because of the irrational architectural fetish of a tiny minority – especially when they are extremely unpleasing to the eye to begin with, like most of this crap in Dundalk. I mean, by what stretch of the imagination could that depressing grey slab of houses be called a “magnificent Georgian terrace”?

    in reply to: Dundalk #752721
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    In all fairness, let’s be totally honest here, there’s nothing whatsoever “grand” about this town. It’s a run of the mill, ugly, boring, Irish town. It has nothing of any distinction in it. That Riddler’s building can only make the place more interesting. The way you’re talking, you’d think it was constructed next to Leinster House.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776139
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    @StephenC wrote:

    Its not really…its a banner.

    I think the proposed changes are well worth doing. The exsiting shopfronts are too heavy and give this section of the street a boarded up appearance. The repair of the facades is also welcome. It would be good to see the units either side being imporved to enhance the overall vista looking down South Great Georges Street.

    One big problem here, as Devin says, is the width of the pavement, particularly given the high footfall at this key junction. Not an awful lot that can be done about it though.

    Well they could pedestrianize Dame Street and College Green, and reroute all the traffic down Patrick St. and across the river, but that’s not gonna happen.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776137
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    What’s interesting is that the Condompower signage is significantly more tasteful than Centra’s.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731452
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    @Devin wrote:

    There was a review of the Scheme of Special Planning Control for O’Connell Street this summer, and a revised document. Can be opened at the bottom of this page: http://www.dublincity.ie/Planning/OtherDevelopmentPlans/SpecialPlanningControlSchemes/Pages/ReviewofO’CStreet.aspx

    The objectives haven’t changed – improve the use culture and shopfront design, avoid concentration of certain uses etc. etc.

    Ya, it’s really working isn’t it. Maybe an elected mayor with an agenda could at least ensure existing plans and laws are enforced. That would be a start.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731449
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    Yes, but considering the main street status of O’Connell St., even if these retailers suffer in the recession, the last place they’ll close down is O’Connell St. It doesn’t matter what you do to improve everything else, you’ll still have a street swamped with fast food restaurants, and more importantly fast food wrappers and bits of burgers and chips and the smell of grease pervading the main street of the capital. So what I’m suggesting is that fast food retailers should be given a reason to move off the street. Maybe other people have better ideas.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731447
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    The problem is that they cheapen the general feeling of O’Connell St., and represent one of the most obvious reasons why it continues to resemble a grotty, smelly armpit. One or two is fine, but half the shops on O’Connell St. are either fast food restaurants or convenience stores.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731445
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    Are you sure the council doesn’t have the power to restrict trading hours of existing businesses?

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731443
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    @forrestreid wrote:

    Could you quote the government Act or regulation that gives Dublin City council this power?

    No, because I’m not a lawyer and it would be tedious looking for it. Besides, your own quote of a statute in Irish law was stupid, because it says nothing but that people have the right to private property. The relevant element of your argument is that the supreme court interpreted this to mean that, for example, Ann Summers could not be closed down on O’Connell St., once they had opened.

    However, I will give you a link to this article which I read some time ago, where it is suggested that Dublin City Council may close city centre off licences at 8pm in the interests of public health. Note that it also mentions restricting fast food opening times. Even if they don’t have this power, they clearly think they can get it very easily.

    http://www.dublinpeople.com/content/view/616/55/

    Obviously it doesn’t exist, and never will.

    Not so obvious after all is it. You really think City Councils have no say over the trading hours of retailers? And never will? There’s a difference between restricting opening hours and closing down existing businesses.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731440
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    Obviously that depends on the character of any mayor, doesn’t it. Nobody wants O’Connell St. swamped with fast food restaurants.

    It’s in the power of Dublin City Council to restrict the opening hours of fast food restaurants on O’Connell St., to force them to close at, say, 7pm. And would it be sensible for a fast food outlet to remain open on that street when they could decamp to Henry St. and stay open all night?

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731437
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    @ac1976 wrote:

    Such powers go beyond those any Mayor will have, and are closer to those of Czar or Dictator. We would need a new constitution to confer those powers on any office.

    Let’s not be stupid about these things. If a mayor gets elected with a promise to do these things, then he’s got a mandate and the city council will fall in behind him. An elected mayor would be able to set a real agenda where a bunch of bickering city councillors all on an equal footing wouldn’t. The former mayor of Montpellier who transformed that city is an example.

    in reply to: Carlton Cinema Development #712109
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    I’d say something if we were talking about a place with real architectural distinction, but the whole of O’Connell St. is architecturally mediocre, full of the most generic Victorian trash imaginable. It’s grey, it’s drab, it’s soulless, it’s dirty, it’s bland. The best you could hope to do is actually to get more people on the upper half and add a bit of colour.

    in reply to: Carlton Cinema Development #712102
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    @Bago wrote:

    souless characterless glass alluminium chrome birch lavender highstreet brandnames elevators walkways cobblelock paving plastic signs ventilation shafts contempary catalogue street furniture clipped topiary metal pots and a wet yourself tower element…..christ, STW snowglobe valhalla.

    …now that you mention it!

    in reply to: Carlton Cinema Development #712091
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    Will you do everyone a favour and shut the fuck up about tourists. Most of those cities that you want Dublin to copy didn’t end up like they did by catering for tourists, they did it by catering for their own citizens.

    in reply to: Carlton Cinema Development #712077
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    @ac1976 wrote:

    Does anyone have a link to ABP’s letter?
    I assume they rejected the park in the sky because it looked silly and was inaccesable being in the sky, Parks are usually at ground level.
    I think there were also objections that the restaurants were at the top levles of the development aswell and hopefully ABP have rejected on these grounds.

    It would be great to see this go ahead with some rivisions addressing these and the other issues brought up in the process.

    Oh well god forbid we should do anything different – a park in the sky, just imagine! In Calgary, Canada, there’s a park indoors on the fourth level of the skyscraper, and it’s marketed as a tourist attraction and is very popular. A city park combined with a magnificent view over the whole city – how is this not a good idea?

    in reply to: Bridges & Boardwalks #734520
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    We have the noblest line of quays of any city in Europe.

    You often hear statements like this. In the nineteenth century were Dublin’s quays really nobler than Paris’, or Venice’s? Or indeed any number of other cities that spring to mind?

    in reply to: Bridges & Boardwalks #734519
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    @lostexpectation wrote:

    okay so yixian is some satire project by rumplestiltkin, right?

    What are you picking on me for?! Although you’re right, he does sound a bit like somebody’s id!

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #731434
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    It gets a bit barren the further up you go. I think getting some chain to open a big fat department store near the top would be a good idea – Harvey Nichols or John Lewis, or even Brown Thomas. Banish the fast food restaurants and Spars to side streets and give subsidies to fashion retailers and good quality restaurants to set up. Force all owners to maintain their own buildings to a standard appropriate to the dignity of the street, or face closure and huge fines within one month. It’s not that hard if they have the will, and that’s why an elected mayor with real power might do wonders.

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