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bus eireann announced 2 new routes for cork yesterday, to Mahon/Jacobs Island and Mount Oval. Probably most welcome if they can avoid the traffic. Slightly late given the houses are built a while though.
They will also be increasing frequency of some other bus routes this year. All well and good. No mention of nightlinks, I’d like to have seen improvements to the main suburbs as well such as where I live, Carrigaline (most car dependent town in the country), service no where near frequent enough for that size of town and in my experience its more reliable to drive to work and get a taxi at weekends.
No mention of the bus/tram things either
Ad in the Examiner today for Transport 21 for cork and the tag line is “The Transport System You Deserve” – could also sound like a threat
absolutely, fingers crossed for that development, prob have to clear Bord Pleanala at some stage but definitely a smashing looking development
thats amazing – the management of a local authority ignores the courts orders for years but the result is that the taxpayer loses £50k, the costs of the case and the cost of the engineer.
local councillor told me, that they had been told there would never be a light rail to carrigaline because of the “topography”. Didnt realise Carrigaline was in the Grand Canyon. Dont they have trains in Switzerland that can go up mountains?
I think its that they could put in a luas type thing from the main roundabout in carrigaline on the new N28 all the way to Mount Oval but then the cost of putting it on the South link road, to the Kinsale roundabout and into city centre would never get funding
what happened thos tram/bus things?
yes, upping the charges without actually having a half decent transport system is pretty poor stuff – you can see why they are doing it though, something around €5m in parking fees, disc sales, towing charges etc was generated. Still no nightlinks, tried to get a bus from carrigaline to town last sun evening – never turned up, taxi from patrick st to carrigaline later that night cost me 23 euro. Same price as the dinner I went in to town for. Absolute joke.
at the launch it looks like those waterfall things will have tree/shrub things going from the bottom to the gardens in the top of the towers – the designers were looking at blarney castle being surrounded by and becoming part of the green landscape apparently – just like the cladding on the elysian
@jungle wrote:
For: Labour(x3), Sinn Fein, PD, Ind , Soc
Against: FF (x9), Green, Labour(x2), FG (x2)So a few questions
interesting analysis jungle, fair play, Fianna Fail have major questions to answer along with ineffectual opposition
For those of you interested in what might happen to Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the future, city councillors recently held a vote on the motion
‘That Cork City Council as part of any arrangement they may enter into with the
Cork County Board in relation to the development of Pairc UÃ Chaoimh by way of
transfer of land that Cork City Council would insist / express its desire to see Pairc UÃ
Chaoimh be made available to other sporting codes.’the motion was, amazingly, defeated
Am I completely wrong in this but are these councillors in tune with what the people actually want? Whats the point in having a white elephant 60,000 seat stadium going empty for most of the year and taxpayers funds being used if the Cork County Board are given some public owned land to make the stadium bigger?FOR: Comhairleoirà M. Quill, M. Barry, C. Clancy, J. O’Brien, D. McCarthy, M. O’
Connell, L. Kingston. (7)AGAINST: Comhairleoirà T. Brosnan, D. Wallace, T. Fitzgerald, D. Counihan, C.
O’ Leary, D. O’ Flynn, T. Shannon, J. Corr, S. Martin, T. O’ Driscoll, F. Dennehy, M.
Shields, M. Ahern, J. Buttimer. (14)@Super Q wrote:
Nobody has really said whether they like the scheme or not, what do you all think?
looks pretty good, thought more could be made of the event centre and its hard to get a sense of what colours etc it will look like on the outside but it beats a yard to store cars any day
In the examiner today that Origin (who are IAWS) will sumbit an application for a development on one part of their site ( i think they own 32 acres in total) before July 31
@kite wrote:
Speaking at a Fianna Fáil function in Cork over the weekend, Taoiseach Bertie Ahern insisted his party would “continue to lead the development of Cork Docklandsâ€, and dismissed opposition efforts “to score cheap political pointsâ€.
However, he failed to provide any timeline for the tax incentives, merely saying: “We will provide the support and incentives that the development of the docklands needs — when they are needed.â€
yes Bertie, they were needed about 5 years ago
thats very very poor from the government – they have known about the Docklands for I dont know how long, its ridiculous to say they are going to start talks now and that just because its a big project means the govt have time to sort it out. If they had started the talks years ago then the project would be underway, absolutely disgraceful from Dublin as usual
Ties in completely with lack of funding coming from NRA for cork. Again.
@Leesider wrote:
It seems to me that government publicly stated and private policy are two different things!!
I think you have captured the essence of a few thousand books there, written on governments
If Cork just got the funding and our own Transport Authority, we can do it ourselves. Most of our projects depend on someone in Dublin giving the nod on funding.What power do the Cork politicians have?
Recent transport study in Carrigaline, that the area needed for a long time, has come up with various solutions (including a Park N Share – anyone ever heard of one of them?). Turns out that even though the study is complete, there is no funding to implement any of it. Unbelievable.
the only people that will drive on the docklands are the developers – i’m all for the city keeping an eye on them and thats what the public planning applications are for, so people can respond, but if we were waiting on the council and politicians, we’ll be waiting a long time
@kite wrote:
Following the first meeting of the Docklands Forum, Cllr. Dara Murphy (FG) threw his toys out of his playpen and demanded that 3 Councillors be appointed to the new forum panel.
Hopefully this demand will not find faviour with the city manager or the Chairman, Prof. Wrixon.
These “junket junkies†have had their chance and blew it over the past 8 years. It is now time to leave it to the professionals before the will to develop, or the cash runs out.hear hear. Why this forum, if its so important, wasnt established 5 years ago is amazing. Its a talking shop politically designed to make it look as if something is happening. The councillors knew it was happening, the TD’s knew it so there should be no more councillors appointed. THey already have a motion anyway to form a group within their own city council to liaise with the councillor on the forum
If the governement were so concerned with it, where is the announcement on tax incentives?.
Drive on private enterprise, only way to get something done
now that is the €38,000 payrise question – when the leader of a country sends an aide de camp as his representative to Katy Frenchs funeral while Cork airport has been told by the DAA to accept the debt on the airport despite FF promise that the airport would be debt free, you know the quality of politician the country has
feasibility study on the Luas is welcome but when thats done, there will prob have to be a cost benefit analysis, then funding will have to be appropriated, then the thing actually built, its all a dripfeed of information to cover up the length of time these things take if in fact it will happen at all and we just get extra trambuses / bustrams, whatever they are calling them these days
Brian Cowen announced shamelessly the budget would provide funds for the Cork Midleton railway to be ready for 2009 (i.e. 2010), a project originally announced in May 2004. Was there any mention of Sarsfield Rd/Bandon Rd flyover, N28 to Ringaskiddy, Macroom Bypass, etc etc
Kent Station redevelopment was announced in 2005. In August 2007 CIE said a plan for the redevelopment would be ready “within months”. Shouldnt it have been ready in 2005?
i agree with you, it should be done (and should have been completed a long time ago)
I just think that €70 million euro for 10 mins saving time is not value for money, I’d love to see a breakdown of the cost.
I’m all in favour of improving transport but let me play devils advocate here
there is work starting on the new Fermoy-Mitchelstown road, the contract is worth €70 million apparently. I’m not sure if that includes the various CPO’s on the land along the way. This road will save approx. 10 minutes. driving.
Is it worth it?
yeah am sure, we are talking about the same bridge in front of Horgans Quay / New Railway Station. Dont know about the light rail part (maybe in 20 years) but its marked pedestrian anyway in the draft plan.
there will be 3 new bridges, one at the Skew Bridge, one at Water St and a pedestrian bridge from about 2/3 way down horgans quay that will lead directly over to one of the main roads within docklands
there is a draft docklands plan out for public consultation at the moment but i dont think its the final one yet, its very comprehensive and very detailed, took a lot of work i would say. Long delayed and newly formed Docklands forum group meeting next month but wont be reporting back to Govt until June 08, another delay and no hint that tax incentives in the docklands will be included in the budget, so another delay.
