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Aidan wrote:The honest and fair solution is to do one tender for 3 feasability studies into light rail, have the same company do the analysis, on the same basis, for all three cities, and then treat the results fairly and rationally.
QUOTE]i was under the impression the city council already had a feasibility study into the light rail underway – they have started another plan any, there is supposed to be an overall transport plan being prepared next year
i think carrigaline has about 15,000 people now, you would also have all the workers in Ringaskiddy and the population of crosshaven but I take your point about the viability (I’d also like to see a cost breakdown of a light rail system train out of curiousity) – i just wish politicians would just be honest and say there arent enough people so its not viable –
definitely needs a greater frequency of buses and a nightlink – i tackled local councillors on this and they essentially have no power to do anything apart from writing strong letters – Bus eireann are not answerable to anyone so they dont give a hoot – the one scary power the councillors have is to rezone land, which they duly did in carrigaline recently and when i asked how could they do that given the unbelievable traffic, one councillor said they were afraid the developer wouldnt put in any recreation facilities where they rezoned – arent THEY meant to be in charge of what the developer does and not the other way around?
theres hinting now that even though part of the reason the Port of Cork were refused re Oysterbank was that there was no N28 road to cope with the traffic, now that the road might not be built unless the new port is allowed go ahead there! have you ever heard anything like it
i was told there will never be a light rail to carrigaline because of the “topography” – dont they have trains in switzerland that essentially go up mountains?
public transport here is a shambles compared to mainland europe
what i wouldnt give to get in there with a business team and change Irish rail – shambles isnt the word
anyone caught in the traffic up and down to Croker last week for the GAA double header? at least the mitchelstown to cashel bypass provided some relief – any thoughts on how Irish Rail didnt bother with any extra services thereby depriving themselves of a load of revenue and adding a load of cars to the roads?
@cgcsb wrote:
agreed, Cork does need a night link. However it is important to note that the night link in Dublin is a skeleton service and the buses are only outbound and some routes only have two services per night
its much more than a skeleton service to be honest, i lived up there and depended on it completely to get to Lucan after a night out – i’d be more than happy to start with 2 buses in cork say at 1am and 2am to all the major suburbs like douglas/carrigaline, wilton/bishopstown/ballincollig, glanmire and mayfield – you’d need more then for the bigger routes –
last bus at 11.30 is such a joke
apologies, i should have clarified, my point was meant to refer to no nightlinks in existence and poor public transport
dont know how true it is but someone at work tells me the govt have announced that there wont be funding for the docklands bridge until at least 2010 – joke – not really a surprise though given the lack of fund for infrastructure from Dublin for cork in general – last bus at 11.30 is such a joke
How is it possible in this day and age that the NRA and Irish Rail dont co-ordinate on major projects? what an absolute joke – they are a disgrace
theres still no lead from the city council on what they propose to do about the Seveso sites – they’ll have to grab the issue by the horns sooner or later – probably later, when the PR firm is hired!
Cork City Council beginning a study on transport in Cork to be published in 2009
The cynical view is that its just another plan that will go nowhere given that Cork cant get funding for transport infrstructure in boom times (Kent Station redevelopment, Bandon/Sarsfield Roundabout, Cork Airport, Atkins Transport Study for Carrigaline that came up with various solutions none of which can be implemented as there is no funds available) let alone in times of volatile markets
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the optimists view is that its the first time the city council have turned to the transport users in a big way to see what they want from the transport and the funding that might come for the Docklands (once the EU get over the No vote in the Lisbon treaty) might find its way to other transport inititiatives
http://www.corkcity.ie/ourservices/roadstransportation/trafficdivision/localtransportplan/
Worth putting in any suggestions to the questionnaire anyway
New car-sharing initiative in Cork starts today apparently in an attempt to reduce the number of cars on the streets.
GoCar, which allows motorists to book and rent cars when they need them, will be fully operational in Cork by July. The service will be operated by Mendes GoCar , specialists in sustainable transport , based in Cloughjordan, Co Tipperary, and Cambio, a firm which operates car sharing in cities in Germany and Belgium.
The venture, backed by the city council, will see 4 designated on-street parking bays on Anglesea Street, Wandesford Quay, and two bays near UCC for the GoCars fleet — six Ford Fiestas, a Ford Focus and a Transit Connect van.
The vehicles can be booked using the internet or phone. Motorists then use a smartcard to unlock the vehicle before inputting a PIN number to start the engine. GoCar MD Graham Lightfoot said the initiative will give motorists a high-quality alternative to ownership of a private car. “You can book a car for as little as one hour from €5 and just pay as you go on hours and kilometres,†he said. “There are no hidden costs, no parking fees, and no maintenance, repair or NCT costs. Insurance and motor taxes are also covered.â€
The city council has signed up for 3 cars for use by staff during work hours.
@Steady wrote:
How can they “overrule” or “override” the clear unambiguous advice of the HSA? Will the planners independantly take the responsibility for the possibility of a Seveso-type accident when the HSA (the specialists in the field) have advised against? It would be a brave (foolhardy?) planner who is going to go on that solo run. Would it even be legal?
well the vibe from the thread seems to be that we all want the development done and we are all frustrated at perceived political interference holding it up. Kite, you are right in that funding should have been requested years ago and the Seveso issue sorted out while waiting for the funding.
The Docklands forum are due back to report to the Taoiseachs office in June apparently. The result of the gateway funding submission was due out by now. Why not contact a few city councillors and get them to ask J Gavin.
I take hope in the fact that planners didnt refuse it outright due to the HSA submission to advise against planning. The Seveso issue isnt going away until its fixed and until then HSA will object to everything which is them simply doing their job, I am sure City Hall are well aware of the Seveso issue and its probably down to who will pay for it and if its City Halls job, where will they get the money (6 million from Owen O Callaghan received during the year might help).
I’m assuming Bord Pleanala might get hold of this as well which might change things more as its in City Halls interest to grant planning. Then again, the very few submissions means it may not have to go to ABP. It’ll get there yet.
Then we have to worry about where the funding for the transport will come from. €1bn was pulled from the Transport 21 roads fund apparently.
@kite wrote:
:mad:Thanks to Cork City Councils total incompetence I think it is safe to say; Cork Docklands RIP.
Kite, you’ll have to explain yourself on that one, I’ve had a look at the Further Info required and would have had a much more optimistic view. I’m not an engineer or developer but I dont think there is anything insurmountable there bar changing the mix to more residential, which might be tricky in current downturned market.
The Seveso site is definitely a stall for time by City Council as the developers were simply asked to explain how the Seveso site issue would not affect them. Even more positively, I think the height of the 3 residential towers was agreed in principle with some small few floors knocked off, the retail / office buildings appear to require 1 floor knocked off and the rest of the info seems to be details required of the event centre, noise, traffic, waste management, lots of small detail
The issue will be whether the funding is granted for the new bridge and the further info request seems to hint at that, as the developers were asked for details as to how they would go ahead if the new bridge wasnt built for a while
Now that, is Fianna Fail procrastinating and Cork getting rubbish transport and infrstructure funding as per usual
@Radioactiveman wrote:
This is way too late. These services should have been in place years ago!
In other transport news, Joe Gantly has tendered his resignation as Head of the CAA. He probably deserves a break after all he’s been through. In fairness though, he’s been as good as his word…he promised to bring about devolution from Dublin and he’s done it…eventually.
yes by acepting 113 million in debt – meanwhile Dublin Airport ploughs ahead and builds almost a new town. One of the Cork Airport board apparently abstained from the vote (which is incredible, surely at least have the guts to make a decision one way or the other). Then Joe Gantly resigns soon after the decision? thats some bad timing in fairness
yeah – will do well not to go to Further Info with project of that size – Seveso sites the issue i’d say
cork city council have apparently commissioned a study into the feasibility of a tunnel from the south link road directly to the docklands. The South Docklands Access tunnel would be a 1 way from the south link to monaghan road. Travel from the docklands to the south link would be on the roof of the tunnel. Interesting.
Not many objections to the Howards Atlantic Quarter at all, the Seveso thing is an issue. Still, it might get someone off their behinds to confront the issue and get the Seveso sites tidied up as they are going to affect the whole docklands otherwise. Might be a few tweaks but no way will the city council stop this one, imagine the development contributions they would be turning down. Not a hope.
doesnt seem to be any really, the Examiner got bored and stopped reporting last week, I thought the cross examining would be worth reporting on but obviously not
Hearing finished now – Port of Cork had some info on their website but obviously its not the most objective view….
if anyone finds any more info, lash it up
