cork docklands
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I like it! Especially the new bridge, which creates a whole new thoroughfare through the city.
Is that a concert hall/convention hall at the far north of the site?
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@phatman wrote:
Updated images of proposed Howard Holdings Docklands Development, planning due to be lodged early in the new year…
agree does not look too bad, how high are the tall buildings at the far end?, pitty they are all located at one end of the development.
Reckon the main tower is around the 100m mark,reminds me a bit of Heuston gate in Dublin
Dublin’s Docklands Authority are defending a decision to hold their annual conference in Kerry.
I wonder where the Cork Docklands Forum will hold their next meeting now that those councilors that did sweet f*** a** over the past 8 years are throwing their toys out of the playpen and bitching that they have been excluded from the decision making Docklands Forum.
:mad:Thanks to the likes of our elected local Muppets, and the lack of taxpayers money picking up the tap for Corks docklands development I think we can now safely say
“Cork Docklands…RIP” 😮Trying every media source available to no avail, somebody please tell me if the Government approved tax breaks for the docklands in today’s finance act?
http://www.finegael.ie/News/index.cfm/type/details/pkey/653/nkey/33339
Of course they didn’t do anything!!! If you want to contact our esteemed Enterprise minister to vent your frustration try michealmartintd@eircom.net probably never looks at it!!
:(Brian Cowen was on the 96fm 7am news stating that “we are only at the start with regard to Corks Docklands†he is now going to discuss the tax break issue at European level.
I am not Government bashing here, they are after killing what hope was left for the docklands but it was our elected local junket junkies that did nothing over the past eight years despite being constantly prodded by City Manager, Joe Gavin to get off their fat backsides and start earning their wages that have us at this funeral wake.Perhaps the webmaster would let this thread run for another week or so to allow us vent our disappointment and anger, then he can switch off the life support.
FF, FG, Lab, Green, SF, SP etc, a curse on all their houses for failing us. Cork Docklands RIP.Keep you powder dry,be patient !
01 February 2008
Cowen: Docklands tax incentives must not breach rules
By Stephen Rogers, Rose Martin and Ian Guider
THE Government last night said it would not be rushed into securing tax incentives for Cork’s Docklands project without first ensuring those incentives would not breach EU state aid regulations (Minister for Finance, Brian Cowen is pictured).While announcing the Finance Bill yesterday, Minister Brian Cowen said the Government was looking at how it could get round the EU legislation to put the incentives in place for developers to take on the e2 billion Docklands project.
However, he said it would take time and consultation.
Fine Gael questioned the Government’s commitment to Cork saying it had promised to address the incentives in yesterday’s bill.
“Last December I challenged Enterprise Minister Micheál Martin about the lack of tax incentives for the Docklands in the budget,” said FG TD Deirdre Clune.
“Minister Martin claimed at the time that the Finance Bill would address this issue. Clearly Brian Cowen was not listening and the commitment of Martin… must be questioned.”
However, Mr Martin hit back saying the comments of Fine Gael were “over the top and premature”.
“Before we move at all we need to establish the types of supports we can give. I have met with the finance minister on this over the last few weeks and I accept his position. Tax relief or grants have to be within a state aid framework.”
Mr Martin said there was plenty of time as the Docklands project was a 10-year commitment and there was only one significant project on the cards in the next 12 months.
That project is a e1bn, 30-acre development close to Pairc UÃ Chaoimh.
Jason Clerken, of Howard Holdings, the developer behind it, said the tax break package was not at the forefront of developers’ minds.
“It’s probably not going to happen in this round, but then it’s all a bit previous because the Local Area Plan has yet to be announced and the Docklands Forum is just starting up,” he said. “The renewal and regeneration of the Docklands will not rest on tax breaks.”
Cork city manager Joe Gavin said the council will continue to press for supports and to work with the relevant officials. “I take satisfaction from the fact those officials we have been working with have indicated a positive disposition so I would be hopeful we will be successful,” he said.
thats very very poor from the government – they have known about the Docklands for I dont know how long, its ridiculous to say they are going to start talks now and that just because its a big project means the govt have time to sort it out. If they had started the talks years ago then the project would be underway, absolutely disgraceful from Dublin as usual
Ties in completely with lack of funding coming from NRA for cork. Again.
@Pug wrote:
thats very very poor from the government – they have known about the Docklands for I dont know how long, its ridiculous to say they are going to start talks now and that just because its a big project means the govt have time to sort it out. If they had started the talks years ago then the project would be underway, absolutely disgraceful from Dublin as usual
Ties in completely with lack of funding coming from NRA for cork. Again.
I wouldn’t disagree with what you say but this is not all the fault of Government.
Eight years ago saw the start of the docklands adventure. Cork City Councillors jealously guarded their junket cow and told Dublin to keep their noses out of Corks business on many occasions.
Cork City Council turned a blind eye to the Listed Heritage building on Custom House Quay, an area that needed to be transformed to provide a gateway to the docklands; instead people visiting the area are met with the near derelict sight of the Bonded Warehouses falling into the Lee (what a selling point for investors and stakeholders?).
For ex Cllr’s. Burke and Clune to be crying crocodile tears now is a joke as is Cllr. Dara Murphys demand for Councillors to be added to the Docklands Forum so that everything in their fantasy world can be “happy happy†again.
Fair dues to the stakeholders, they took a chance, they put their money on the table, unfortunately they backed a lame duck City Council instead of a race horse!The EU gave approval for tax breaks in 2006. To say they have to get EU approval is a bare-faced lie, not an indication of laziness because it wasn’t done earlier. In the meantime, it put me in mind of this Examiner article from three weeks ago
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2008/01/12/story52382.asp
Nobody should despair though, tax breaks will be approved shortly before the next election when they’ll still have six months to run :rolleyes:
@jungle wrote:
The EU gave approval for tax breaks in 2006. To say they have to get EU approval is a bare-faced lie, not an indication of laziness because it wasn’t done earlier. In the meantime, it put me in mind of this Examiner article from three weeks ago
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2008/01/12/story52382.asp
Nobody should despair though, tax breaks will be approved shortly before the next election when they’ll still have six months to run :rolleyes:
Plenty of excuses not to do things and with the construction industry in decline,revenue from building to the exchequer in freefall here is anopportunity to stimulate the sector in Cork over the next 15 years.
As the Government has made such a protracted mess of Cork Airport,Cork School of Music,Kent Station,Re-opening railway lines and teh National Development Plan,decentralisation etc Why is anyone surprised ?Perhaps its better that private developers go ahead without any Govt.input ?
From today’s Irish Examiner:
Docklands project faces 12-month wait for tax incentives
By Paul O’Brien, Political Correspondent
THE Government has admitted it will be at least a year before any tax incentives are announced for the Cork Docklands project.In what is understood were non-scripted remarks, Junior Minister Noel Ahern told the Dáil last week “many things need to be done locally first, the proposal can be improved and it may be considered next yearâ€.
Fine Gael described his remarks as a “kick in the teeth†for the Cork region.
“Claims by the minister that the Cork Docklands needs to be ‘improved’ and is not ready for launch are an insult to everyone who has worked tirelessly on the project,†said FG Cork South-Central TD Deirdre Clune.
“Extensive proposals have been drawn up for the project, which is included in the National Spatial Strategy and the National Development Plan. The least we could expect is some support from the Government,†she added.
Under the e2 billion regeneration plan, homes, offices and leisure space will be built on the 166-hectare docklands site.
Prior to Christmas, the Government signalled that tax incentives to encourage development in the docklands would be announced in the Finance Bill 2008.
But when that bill was published recently, it overlooked the Cork project, with Finance Minister Brian Cowen saying more time was needed to determine what incentives could be provided under EU state-aid rules.
The remarks of Mr Ahern, who is junior minister at the Department of Finance, indicate the Cork region will have to wait until next year’s Finance Bill for any incentives to be announced.
Speaking at a Fianna Fáil function in Cork over the weekend, Taoiseach Bertie Ahern insisted his party would “continue to lead the development of Cork Docklandsâ€, and dismissed opposition efforts “to score cheap political pointsâ€.
However, he failed to provide any timeline for the tax incentives, merely saying: “We will provide the support and incentives that the development of the docklands needs — when they are needed.â€
@kite wrote:
Speaking at a Fianna Fáil function in Cork over the weekend, Taoiseach Bertie Ahern insisted his party would “continue to lead the development of Cork Docklandsâ€, and dismissed opposition efforts “to score cheap political pointsâ€.
However, he failed to provide any timeline for the tax incentives, merely saying: “We will provide the support and incentives that the development of the docklands needs — when they are needed.â€
yes Bertie, they were needed about 5 years ago
it may be considered next year
I think we all know what that means.
I can’t for the life of me work out what they’re waiting for. Maybe the bribes haven’t been paid yet.
@jungle wrote:
I think we all know what that means.
I can’t for the life of me work out what they’re waiting for. Maybe the bribes haven’t been paid yet.
You know whislt all this drags out into the next decade more than likely Cork City Council and The Port of Cork watch the fantastic Bonded Warehouses behind The Custom House crumble and decay.
Absolute disgrace.
08 March 2008
€1bn ‘new Cork’ takes shape
By Tommy Barker, Property Editor
A €1 BILLION property investment unveiled last night for Cork city’s docklands will facilitate 4,800 jobs and create a community of 1,600 residents.Developers Howard Holdings set out a stall to lead the southern city’s 21st century transformation and renewal. It promises a world-class docklands renewal project, and said it could be ready to start building by the end of this year.
Key elements of the developers’ plan include a 51-metre span opening bridge to create access to the overall 400-acre docklands campus, a ‘family’ of three tower apartment cylinders of 30, 20 and 10 storeys, four huge office buildings with over half a million square feet of space, a 200-bed hotel, and a 5,500-person events centre called the Arena.
It also includes a strongly ‘green’ building agenda (including a publicly-accessible roof garden and trees 96 metres up in the sky on the 30-story tower), public open spaces, and more than 2,200 underground car spaces serving the mix of shops, residents, and entertainment venues.
On its ‘Passport to the Future’ launch in front of 400 guests last night, the Atlantic Quarter project was described as “the single largest development project ever undertaken in Cork, and a catalyst for other docklands schemes to followâ€.
The overall docks area in Cork runs to more than 420 acres, with about a dozen landowners, and could house 10,000 persons and provide thousands of jobs.
Developer Greg Coughlan, CEO of Howard Holdings, said the company was committed to design excellence and setting a new environmentally sustainable standard for Cork, Dublin, and Europe, where they also have projects in Britain, Italy, Poland and Portugal.
Atlantic Quarter in Cork could be largely delivered within a five- year timeframe, and depends primarily on securing planning permission, and also necessary is approval for vital infrastructure such as the iconic €80 million swing bridge, to be the largest in Europe.
Despite the scale of the company’s plans for Cork at a time of relative property market stagnation on both commercial and residential fronts, Mr Coughlan said: “We are currently building 3,500 apartments across Europe, doing 500 in Cork isn’t going to faze us.†Howards has just sold 320 units in a development of 400 in south London, he added.
“Sometimes I think the only people who aren’t getting the story of Cork Docklands are Cork people. We often seem to me to be so busy looking around us for someone to blame that we forget to look forward,†he said.
Interestingly, the planning application in d’Examiner yesterday says a max of 24 stories, yet Tommy Barker above says 30 stories? Which is it…and will it be better looking than the mismash of materials that is the Elysian?
I must say, the cylindrical towers don’t really do it for me. But thats just a personal issue.
Well done to Howards for having the balls to do it.Did anyone notice what looks like a redeveloped parc ui coimh in the promotional video for this project. I wonder if such a redevelopment is likely as part of the overall regeneration of the docklands?
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