notjim
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Nothing wrong with the grid patterns, in fact, since, as pointed out, the grid has been there since the early C18, it is one of the main few points of contact between the development and the history of the city.
As to Traveller accomadation, the South Dock is probably more suitable since it is supposed to have a larger residential component. I don’t think it is impossible to design urban culturally appropriate traveller accomadation, the caravan bays could be set into a taller building with toilet and kitchen facilities on the floor above and maybe warehouse and light industrial space above that. I actually proposed this before as a topic for discussion but got no takers. If I offered a couple of hundred Euros as a prize do you think there would be students and so on willing to think about it?
East Wall scheme allowed
COLLEN Group has been granted planning permission for a 28,116 sq m office development at East Wall Road. The proposed development will be in five blocks ranging in height from one storey over ground floor level to five stories over ground floor. The scheme includes 296 car spaces.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=51&si=742859&issue_id=7316well its going to be the immigration office, so it needs to look evil. central bank is the evilist looking building though, in a good way, but definitely evil.
there is a picture here:
http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/dublin/dublin5.htmlThe Center for Maths Science in Cambridge, England, has a grass roof over a central area:
http://www.cms.cam.ac.uk/the web site has a bit of information but not much. It is dramatic building, but not as well loved as somewhere to work as the nearby Isaac Newton Institute.
Actually I now have a theory about why Luce Hall is at a funny angle, was it build that way because of the thankfully abandoned road widening? maybe it is aligned to the notional route of the widened road. apparently this explains the two-buildings-colliding effect of Aras an Phiasaigh, the building opposite the garda station. the original building was aligned to the new road route and when the road widening was abandoned a new bit was added to correct this. Of course that doesn’t explain the new library, but the reason here may be that planners like there to be trees along nassau street.
The Ussher Library, I amn’t sure which Ussher though, it is either the bishop and important church scholar who worked out how old the Earth is by adding up the ages in the bible (Creation was on October 23, 4004BC) and gave his books to the library, or his uncle, also James Ussher who helped found the library.
Infirmary road does make sense, there is a cluster of cultural institutions around there, collins barracks, the imma, the gaol, the zoo and the possibility of more, something in the magazine, maybe something in clancy barracks. it will be serviced by the luas too and maybe the interconnector in the far future.
tcd seems to have got better about maintence, it is currently cleaning westland row and the bits that are done look great, the real issue now is appropriate use, do they intend to retain the retail function of d’olier street part of the gas building, what about the AIB? they are also buying the lincoln inn pub, is it doomed to follow the other tcd lincoln place properties into disuse.
and the other news is there is an objection from the locals to raise the amount of retail space in the corner develoupment with tcd counter objecting to lower the amount of retail. Trinity argue that retail is a bad idea on Pearse anyway and it isn’t their fault the shops have all closed down, but their behaviour on Lincoln place puts the lie to that.
Actually it works quite well, it is a gallery after all and the old buildings, the back of number 5 and the ballroom, are like an exhibit. It reminds you of, for example, the Met in NY where they have recreated various interiors and courtyards.
The big question is what will happen to the Pease Street buildings from the Theatre to the Luas hall. There is quite a bit of room behind that terrace so the College is bound to build there eventually, the question is will they take this opportunity to open up the College to Pearse street or will they do what they did on Westland row and turn the front of buildings into their back enterence.
They have started utility diversion work at the east end, the current plan as far as I know, which has planning permission, is a science building beside the new physics building with a glassed atrium between and connected at more than ground level, a building, to include the elan headquarters by the pearse street westland row corner, an impressive gate, a gym under the railway and a building immeadiately beside luas hall, the luas hall itself is being turned into a chemistry lab and student centre. The big relief is that elan still seem willing to hand over cash. The Goldsmith Hall, an Post site, Pearse Station plan is still being discussed. The IM Pei cylinder isn’t being mentioned so often, I think because it turned out to be too expensive to put absolutely everything underground and elan wanted a building and the DDDA wanted a street line, so it suited everyone to building on the corner and forget the cylinder. They are keeping the brick arches too. Doesn’t the part of Westland Row they have cleaned look good.
I don’t understand why they are objecting on grounds of use, Inchicore is quite well served by parks, there is a park by the war memorial and another in the IMMA grounds, Phoenix park is quite close too. A mix of use is health and is already a feature of the area. Clancy Barracks would be a better site for heritage and amenity use.
I think they have a case about the details, maybe a nicer building a story shorter with fewer car parking spaces, but there is nothing wrong with putting shops and office opposate a national monument.
Kit-kats, whatever, now Taytos, that really would be part of our heritage.
Can anyone else remember the Galway Quays before it became an Irish Pub, it was really great. There is a little corner left to remind you by the front enterance.
I guess I’m pleased by this, its an ideal spot for a big building. It will mean the end to the Traveller settlement on Britian quay though. In some ways there is no harm in that either, it is hardly ideal since it lacks proper facilities, but it would be nice to think that they would be accomadated nearby. Has anyone any thoughts on culturally appropriate Traveller accomadation suitable for a highly urban enviroment. Are there people thinking about this?
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Almost all the railway bridges have advertizing on them and lots of them would be
very nice without. Remember how the Westland Row bridge looked when it was first painted. Some of the bridges over Amiens Street,
North Strand have great detailing, almost completely covered by adverts. The bridge over Ballybough is the same.As for the bridge blocking our view of the Customs House, well, any bridge there will do that, the one that is there is a good bridge, a piece of heritage from the late Industrial age, dramatic, and expensively build at the time. A modern bridge might be more in tune with modern fashion, but, in the fullness of time it would be no better. I am all for new bridges and can’t wait for the Calatrave bridge, but we should also learn to respect the one we have.
Remember, as Shane O’Toole pointed out, there was discussion of getting rid of the Ha’penny Bridge at the Start of the C20.
