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  • #706103
    Jas
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    I had a wander through TCD on Saturday morning, to go and see the new Library at close quarters. Quite impressed actually, I like the way the lower floors address the park, and I thought that the area between it and the Berkeley was well done. Still needs a bit of tidying done in its vicinity but I do think that externally it is a better building than the National Gallery extension.

    Any idea who they will name it after?

    #725470
    notjim
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    The Ussher Library, I amn’t sure which Ussher though, it is either the bishop and important church scholar who worked out how old the Earth is by adding up the ages in the bible (Creation was on October 23, 4004BC) and gave his books to the library, or his uncle, also James Ussher who helped found the library.

    #725471
    vitruvius
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    I agree, very impressive but, (there’s always a but) there’s a ridiculouss waste of space between it and Nassau St. – in the manner of that other waste of space between lovely Luce hall and Pearse St.

    #725472
    notjim
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    Actually I now have a theory about why Luce Hall is at a funny angle, was it build that way because of the thankfully abandoned road widening? maybe it is aligned to the notional route of the widened road. apparently this explains the two-buildings-colliding effect of Aras an Phiasaigh, the building opposite the garda station. the original building was aligned to the new road route and when the road widening was abandoned a new bit was added to correct this. Of course that doesn’t explain the new library, but the reason here may be that planners like there to be trees along nassau street.

    #725473
    LOB
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    Looks more likely that Luce hall was built
    to match the orientation of the buildings directly south of it which in turn follow the East west orientation of the squares in Trinity
    http://www.tcd.ie/Maps/tcd_campus.html

    #725474
    Rory W
    Participant

    LOB is correct, although by the time you get from the main square down to Luce hall it doesnt really matter what angle it is to the quads

    #725475
    Paul Clerkin
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    #725476
    Paul Clerkin
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    Sisters of mystery and portents of doom: high modern architecture in Dublin, and its commercial nemesis.

    You wait around for years for a significant new piece of contemporary architecture in the heart of Dublin, and then suddenly two, both competition winners, arrive at once. Trinity College’s James Ussher Library now nods along Nassau Street to the National Gallery’s Millennium Wing on Clare Street. Both are unapologetically modern, each is nonetheless very different, yet both tease and challenge the observer.
    http://www.hughpearman.com/articles3/dublin.html

    #725477
    vitruvius
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    Back studying in TCD for the past three weeks – had first hand experience of the new library. Beautiful precipice of an atrium. I know that atriums have become a must-have in any granite-clad new building but this one is different – it offers views from the shelving area, across the atrium, across the study desks and out to the college park and the pavillion bar. More luxurious than the Berkely – those rather plush scarlet carpet tiles and the small south American rainforest used in the shelving, it is nevertheless austere enough to function as a serious place of study and provide some link to the Berkely. (Note also the use of black ribbed wood for all doors, albeit not exactly identical to those in the Berkely – which give a good sense of continuity)
    My one gripe – and it really grates with me is that the toilets of the new library bear no relation whatsoever, apart from a couple of odd angles, to the design of the building above and around them. I know this sounds a bit ridiculous, but it really lets the building down. Jonathon Glancey recently praised a Daniel Liebeskind building in the North of England (apologies for forgetting its name) for having sympathetically cubist toilets – even the toilets in the Berkely are echoic of its interior.
    The moral of this rambling reply:
    Pay attention to every detail and don’t let any one area detract from the overall building

    #725478
    MG
    Participant

    Who designed the toilets? McCullough Mulvin or KMD?

    #725479
    vitruvius
    Participant

    No idea,

    not on for apportioning blame – maybe the provost and his wife went down to B&Q.

    My main point is that excellent architecture needs to be rigorous and no detail can afford to be overlooked without detracting from the overall quality

    #725480
    JL
    Participant

    That’s a point I agree on – that the quality of the building must carry through every level of detail. I’ve always been curious about how some practices seem to do a lot of work using executive architects – I wonder how they can take the attitude that their design input goes so far into the level of detail and no further.

    On the other hand Bucholz McEvoy and BDP seem to have had a very rigorous approach to the Fingal Co offices.

    The down side of rigour for a designer is the sheer amount of tedium required to deal with every detail.

    #725481
    fergus
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    good article just up on the DOMUS website
    http://www.edidomus.it/Domus/latest/singola_news.cfm?CodNews=12608&Tipo=1

    [This message has been edited by fergus (edited 24 May 2002).]

    #725482
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Would that be a “good article” in the sense of “wholly uncritical”?

    #725483
    fergus
    Participant

    yea you’re right but there are some nice pics. accompaning the article

    #725484
    James
    Participant

    Does anybody else find the schizophrenic nature of this building disturbing – refined elevation to the campus – sheer inaccesible almost anti urban skewed walls onto Nassau St???.

    It seems to be a really decent piece of work but characterless in that it rejects the existing urban context of the street and makes no effort to present a public ‘face’ to either the axis formed by Sth Frederick St or the strip of Nassau St onto which it faces??????

    [This message has been edited by James (edited 27 May 2002).]

    #725485
    vitruvius
    Participant

    It’s Trinity dahling,
    It was probably part of the design brief to ignore the street!
    Seriously though, Trinity regard having a secure campus as being important and so want to minimise the number of gates to their 46 acres.
    Personally, I really like the ‘scizophrenic’ nature of the building – the view down sth. Frederick Street is wonderful – bulky but not overbearing.
    Similarly the elegant, reserved aspect that faces over college park looks wonderful from the pavillion bar – dare I suggest that it looks like the Future Systems media centre at Lord’s cricket ground? Anybody with me on this one?

    #725486
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I have not yet seen it in the flesh, I admit but according to the photographs published in Irish Architect, the Ussher Library looks wonderful. Resonant of ABK but with it’s own integrity and power.

    What’s the verdict?

    #725487
    MG
    Participant

    They have completed the areas on the raised podium between the Ussher and the Berekely now. You can walk around the back of the Ussher to the area between it and the college railings where visitors will be usshered in 😉

    #725488
    Paul Clerkin
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