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Has anyone heard about some plan to close the Mercy Hospital and South Infirmary and to house them in a new hospital to be built in the south docklands?
The reason it’s in the state it’s in is because a number of years ago some of the masonry came off one of the buildings in Washington St during high winds and killed a pedestrian. After that the neighbouring buildings were inspected. Most had to be re-roofed or have some brickwork replaced, but Mannix and Culhane was knocked above the first floor. It was in a poor condition before that.
They applied for planning permission a number of years ago, but it was refused (the proposal was awful). There’s also an issue of including some of the neighbouring buildings that have sitting tenants with fixed leases.
@THE_Chris wrote:
Those would be in the future a bit further and seperate altogether as neither of them are on the Midleton line 🙂
That’s crazy really. The line is already there and in the case of Kilbarry in particular, the population is already there.
Does anyone know what’s happening with the proposed railway stations in Blarney and Kilbarry?
They aren’t included in the Midleton line Railway Order. I would have thought building a new station next to an existing line wouldn’t be that difficult (e.g. Monasterevin, Adamstown), but there seems to be no impetus on them.
Objecting to “high-rise” just because of its height is senseless, but as with every development, questions need to be raised about whether the transport network can cope, whether the sewers can cope etc.
However, that part of the straight road should be pretty straightforward, once the facilities are in place. The problem is that there are traffic problems round there and that does give CSD legitimate grounds for an objection. Don’t get the transport right and, the consequence is…well, Dublin…
It’s about time that someone from one of the councils stood up and said that Bus Eireann are hampering good planning and balanced development in Cork.
I hate to keep banging on about this, but there’s no city bus service there. That just becomes 120 more cars to add to the traffic mess down there in the morning.
Do you think we’ll ever learn to put in the transport infrastructure first and then put in the developments…
Hmmm….
I had meant someone like TBI/Abertis, Macquarie or MAG, but I guess that would be a win-win.
Sell it to developer friends below its actual price. They get to sell it on at a higher price to one of the above companies. Then a few lawyer friends get to make a bit of money at the tribunal into it.
The only losers are the taxpayers and airport users.
The Old Terminal Building is a bit of a red herring. It would cost too much to operate both facilities at the same time, especially when the new one can handle plenty more passengers.
I’m tempted to say the same about Ryanair. Michael O’Leary has a deal he is happy with in Shannon and very few of those routes have enough passengers in the Munster area to justify service from both airports.
In some way the pity is that when Ryanair set up their “base” to get rid of EasyJet that the airport board didn’t use it as leverage in striking a deal with EasyJet to get them to open new services from the airport. Most people who follow aviation developments saw what O’Leary was up to; somehow the airport board couldn’t. Still that’s what you get when you appoint loads of people who know nothing about aviation.
I reckon it’s time to sell the airport to the private sector to see what they can manage, because the current system really is not working.
Incidentally, Aer Lingus have raised capacity to London, It’s Ryanair that cut it after EasyJet left.
Having not previously seen the thread, the title put me in mind of one building. As I’m from down the country, I didn’t know the name, but I could describe its location.
Sure enough, it turned out to be Hawkins House:rolleyes:
Pretty much everywhere you look, ridership doubles after you put a tram in.
However, they’re a long term solution in Cork. Even if we started the process now, it would be 2014 before we had anything up and running. Improving the bus service is the only short-term solution.
@Spinal Tap wrote:
This is Celtic Tiger Ireland, Wealthiest Nation,Highest GDP etc.?
You forgot the “allergic to spending on public services” part :rolleyes:
The Cork trams were pretty much the same as the ones still used in Hong Kong. They’re shorter than normal, narrow gauge and double decker. That means they can take bends that are not practical for standard trams. In fact, the old Cork trams managed to operate to Sunday’s Well, which makes the bend at Daunt Square seem pretty easy.
That said, I’d be opposed to a light rail system using Patrick St.
Also, if trams were ever to be brought in, the visual impact of overhead wires needs to be considered. I understand some modern tram systems can operate by charging up in outer suburban areas and then using this to operate the historical core of a city. That should be looked at if a system were to be put in place.
With the Greens having sold out on public transport in the programme for government, I wouldn’t expect it any time soon though.
The docklands can be cleaned up though and it’s better to deal with it now than have the problem come back and bite us later.
In theory, a high density brownfield site should be exactly the type of development the Greens like, although I can’t help but notice that most greens I know live in rural areas and drive gas-guzzlers.
Regardless, it looks like they won’t be in government anyway.
I wonder if we have the same problem out at the pitches on the Carrigrohane Straight?
@Pug wrote:
Digressing from property slightly to prove my point
PJ Sheehans son wants to be appointed as a councillor
Michael McGraths brother Seamus apparently wants to be one and
one of Christy O Sullivans relatives is tippednever heard of any of them, i think its an appaling rule that they can just get parachuted in
I can understand the reason for it. The response to a bye-election for a local authority seat is likely to be a very low turnout.
However, I think the system should be like the European elections in that your replacement should be nominated at the time you run. At least that way they have some kind of mandate.
Maybe a multi-storey next to the rail line, but even that far out, ground-level parking would be a scandalous use of the site.
Now remind me, do we need a site for a conference centre that is located close to the rail line, has easy access to the city’s ring road network and is within walking distance (just about:rolleyes: ) of the city centre…
kite wrote:Also in yesterday’]I’m very much in two minds on the issue. Clearly densities in the city have to increase to avoid excessive suburban sprawl, but I do think that areas along existing transport corridors – especially railway lines – should be prioritised over piecemeal building of 5-storey buildings at random locations in the suburbs. I’m also concerned that allowing densities to develop in the suburbs disencourages investment in the docklands, where taller builings are appropriate.
In suburban areas, I’d like to see development of three-storey terraced houses, which provide decent-sized family living accommodation, but at a higher density than is there currently.
Two final points on it. Even if there is a cap, three storeys is way too low. There are plenty of buildings above that height in Douglas, Mahon and Bishopstown already.
Given that there’s hardly any building land left inside the city limits, it’s hardly going to lead to bungalow bliss.
@PTB wrote:
Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know what the oldest building in the city is?
Other than the city walls or anything of course.
I suppose it depends on your definition of building.
The Red Abbey is usually said to be the oldest building in the city, although it doesn’t survive as a workable usable building.
In terms of buildings that are still in use, I don’t know the answer. The oldest that springs to mind is the one that houses Cork Vision Centre, which dates from the 17th century. That would almost certainly be the oldest in the city centre as a number of floods and fires have destroyed so many buildings over time. It’s possible that there is something older in the areas around Shandon/Blarney St on the Northside and Douglas St/Barrack St on the southside (actually Elizabeth Fort is probably older).
Going out into the suburbs and far suburbs, you have Carrigrohane Castle and Blarney Castle.
@THE_Chris wrote:
I thought there was soon to be a Glanmire station?? I could be wrong though.
In any case it wont be used because its so far from Glanmire that you might as well drive into Cork rather than just to the station.
There’s to be a station at Dunkettle. Glanmire Station was the name of Kent station up to 1966, so that could cause some confusion.
Just returning to my previous point. If a rail spur into Glanmire is wanted, someone had better define and start preserving an alignment immediately. Once you have too many house built on the route, it would be doomed as a project.
@kite wrote:
Do any of the proposals / suggestions for light rail in Cork include a link to Glanmire?
If not, why not? Would it be feasible terrain / population wise?
Please point me to any past posts on the subject that I may have missed, thanks in advance.The problem with Glanmire is that the early part of the route would duplicate the Cork-Cobh/Midleton railway line. Although I can’t see it happening, trying to get a spur built off that line may be more feasible than looking to have a tram service to the town.
@THE_Chris wrote:
I understand (and support) all the bypasses and new roads being built.
But for the sake of a couple of million, reroute the things away from archaelogical sites.
Carrickmines, Tara, and now this.
Four lane highway though? I didnt think the Macroom bypass was going to be dualled, just Wide S2.
Considering the hassle caused whenever roads have gone near historic sites, it would probably be a case of saving a couple of million…
