Developments in Cork

I hate to keep banging on about this, but there’s no city bus service there. That just becomes 120 more cars to add to the traffic mess down there in the morning.

Do you think we’ll ever learn to put in the transport infrastructure first and then put in the developments…

@jungle wrote:

I hate to keep banging on about this, but there’s no city bus service there. That just becomes 120 more cars to add to the traffic mess down there in the morning.

Do you think we’ll ever learn to put in the transport infrastructure first and then put in the developments…

I feel I have been the most outspoken critic of CSD on this website.
As I mentioned in the past, to my horror (at the time), my parents live in Wilton and have supported CSD since they were formed.
I absolutely hate the Victoria Mills complex and feel those responsible for allowing it through planning should be fired and banned from ever working in any planning department again, but I put this white elephant down to a one off mistake.
😮 However I have spent last Friday and today on site in the vicinity of the Kingsley Hotel and to see contractors laying a new road on the Carrighroane Straight that is narrower than the existing road, with no provision for a Green Route / QBC, with this road ripe for high density developments lends me to the opinion that the CSD were right all along and that planning in Cork is now nothing more that a sick joke.

Objecting to “high-rise” just because of its height is senseless, but as with every development, questions need to be raised about whether the transport network can cope, whether the sewers can cope etc.

However, that part of the straight road should be pretty straightforward, once the facilities are in place. The problem is that there are traffic problems round there and that does give CSD legitimate grounds for an objection. Don’t get the transport right and, the consequence is…well, Dublin…

It’s about time that someone from one of the councils stood up and said that Bus Eireann are hampering good planning and balanced development in Cork.

As I understand the current work on the straight road is partly destined towards developing a new green route. A section of it near Inchigaggan has been widened for cycle and bus traffic. I presume that the aim is to reroute the Ballincollig bus service. (currently it travels along the model farm road which is already well served by the number 5 route) There was also talk of a green route in Ballincollig town centre removing the on street parking and putting traffic lights at each junction. Traffic lights are also destined for the straight road junction with the road near the anglers rest. There was a lot of opposition in Ballincollig towards these changes but I think the council will be going ahead with them.

@jungle wrote:

Objecting to “high-rise” just because of its height is senseless, but as with every development, questions need to be raised about whether the transport network can cope, whether the sewers can cope etc.

However, that part of the straight road should be pretty straightforward, once the facilities are in place. The problem is that there are traffic problems round there and that does give CSD legitimate grounds for an objection. Don’t get the transport right and, the consequence is…well, Dublin…

It’s about time that someone from one of the councils stood up and said that Bus Eireann are hampering good planning and balanced development in Cork.

The problem here is that a QBC / Green route was planned from Ballincollig to the city.
The Straight Road was nearly wide enough at it was to allow for a dedicated bus route, and it had great scope to be widened by a few feet at the Lee field side (if needed)
Now the geniuses that run our city allowed for the road to be narrowed, with 10 inch high footpaths on both sides of the road thus ensuring that a bus route cannot run independently of the private traffic without redoing the entire resurfacing job again.
I really wonder would, or could CSD object to the Coca Cola site if any thought was put into proper planning or future public transport?

what is happening with this site? the Frinailla develpment next door has been stalled for ages, but with the library on the move that should see somthing happen there – but this is awful!

Thats a very surreal building. I like the way they’ve painted in where the building used to be. It reminds me of the times in cartoons when a painting is stolen and there is a lighter shade of paint outlining ths place where the painting was. I always thought that the building had been ‘stolen’ for years, part of some ill-concieved eighties road widening. As for why the building was never rebuilt, i’m not sure. Perhaps the building was derelict above the ground floor and that part was knocked. Maybe it’s laziness. Maybe the developers are still waiting for the builders to come.

CCC refused to allow rezoning of a portion of the Tank field quoting their past stated wish that amenity areas remain as such.

@lawyer wrote:

Do you have any details of the vote?

16 for rezoning, 13 against.
A two thirds majority was required.

@jungle wrote:

The reason it’s in the state it’s in is because a number of years ago some of the masonry came off one of the buildings in Washington St during high winds and killed a pedestrian. After that the neighbouring buildings were inspected. Most had to be re-roofed or have some brickwork replaced, but Mannix and Culhane was knocked above the first floor. It was in a poor condition before that.

They applied for planning permission a number of years ago, but it was refused (the proposal was awful). There’s also an issue of including some of the neighbouring buildings that have sitting tenants with fixed leases.

I’m pretty sure the Mannix & Culhane building pretty much burnt down, hence the missing upper storey. The masonry fell off the roof of a building further down Washington street near enough to the Washington Inn, twas just before the Millenium (just after Christmas 1999)