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January 24, 2009 at 10:25 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772376apellesParticipant
In the building of new churches, Praxiteles believes that we should aim for something of the forma mentis that inspired and brought into being the Cathedral of Monreale in Sicily….
Praxiteles Are you saying the Cathedral of Monreale in Sicily is newly built.. when was it done?..it looks ancient & beautiful…I can’t see our hay-barn builders doing anything even close to that!
January 24, 2009 at 10:01 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772375apellesParticipant@james1852 wrote:
Passing through Castletownroche and Ballyhooley today , I noticed both churches are closed with ‘ work ‘ going on in both. Ballyhooley was being scaffolded inside with all the church cleared of seats etc.,.Castletownroche I believe is having a new heating system installed.
Is it the case that more parish’s are taking advantage of & using the Tax Relief for Donations to Eligible Charities and Approved Bodies scheme that was set up some time ago…http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/chy2.pdf if used correctly could this be the single most important lifeline in protecting church buildings for future generations?
January 23, 2009 at 12:28 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772370apellesParticipantI have to ask what doe’s John “I should have been a liturgist” Lynch & the Hacker Hurley think about all the attention they’ve been given on this forum? not one ounce of it from what I’ve read or seen (forgive me if I’m wrong) has been in anyway positive about any of their projects highlighted & rightly so…but..this is their profession…they’ve obviously made a name for themselves and must be highly thought of by some to be constantly recommended to design & oversee so many projects..also I’m sure like anyone they must meet there clients, talk through their architectural requirements, do sketches, show proposals, revising them possibly several times before commencement of any work gets under way..does all the blame lie solely on their shoulders for these disasters? has anyone on the forum had any direct dealings with them? what are they like to work with .. is it their way or the highway? would it not it be interesting to get them to come on & defend their point of view or shall we just continue with these building assassinations at every given opportunity!
January 4, 2009 at 8:47 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772328apellesParticipant@Praxiteles wrote:
That really is pretty bad and exhibits the worst of bad taste. Who was the architect? We need to be warned against him.
The’ve just had another makeover in carrick… mmm..I think their definitely going for the rustic look!!!
December 28, 2008 at 7:24 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772323apellesParticipantThis was here on Archiseek.. http://ireland.archiseek.com/buildings_ireland/wicklow/bray/holy_redeemer.html
and this is what they say about it..
Originally designed by Patrick Byrne in 1852, the church was heavily remodelled in 1898 by William Byrne. Since then a new façade and tower have been added giving the church an almost schizophrenic personality. Viewing the façade leads the visitor to expect a mid 20th century interior, but the visitor gets a poor 19th century interior which is missing most of its original features.
December 28, 2008 at 3:00 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772321apellesParticipantyou mean the wreckitect…I’ll make some discreet enquire’s..
December 27, 2008 at 10:36 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772319apellesParticipantThis is St Mary of the Assumption in Carrick on Shannon by William Hague , completed by T.F. MacNamara. the image is scanned from a book about the diocese of Ardagh & Clonmacnois published in 05…this is one of the worst wreckovation’s I’ve seen… at first glance it looks like someone’s been messing with Photoshop…the whole alter area reminds me of a large Biedermeier style veneer wardrobe my parents once had…I presume this disaster still haunts the good people of Kiltoghert parish… I’m going over there next week to take a look.
December 22, 2008 at 4:07 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772313apellesParticipantI would have to agree with pandaz here..there is no real connection only that this is yet another reason people are abandoning the church in droves..
November 15, 2008 at 8:37 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772206apellesParticipantLiturgical artist, Ivana Ripoff, said the rubble was an expression of the post-Vatican II model of
church – broken, open and disordered, and that she was owed £50,000 for that insightful comment.poor thing must have awful hassle every time she goes to get paid with that name!!..wonder if that bit was’nt just made up?
November 13, 2008 at 8:36 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772199apellesParticipantMichael S. Rose is the editor of this website http://www.dellachiesa.com/
November 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772197apellesParticipantOpera Artis…
an excerpt from
..http://www.sacredarchitecture.org/articles/church_restoration_renovation_the_third_millennium/by Michael S. Rose
Yet, in reality, the church renovators of those years merely acted on their own subjective desires rather than on the authority of the Council fathers. In fact, the Council had precious little to say about the architectural reform of our churches. Rather, Vatican II was dishonestly used as the catalyst for the reformation of Catholic church architecture. Addressing this abuse, the Vatican issued Opera Artis, a circular letter on the care of the Church’s artistic heritage, in 1971. It charged: “Disregarding the warnings and legislation of the Holy See, many people have made unwarranted changes in places of worship under the pretext of carrying out the reform of the liturgy and have thus caused the disfigurement or loss of priceless works of art.†In this document the Sacred Congregation for Clergy warned bishops to “exercise unfailing vigilance to ensure that the remodeling of places of worship by reason of the reform of the liturgy is carried out with utmost caution.â€
must of got lost in the post…
November 9, 2008 at 10:32 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772179apellesParticipantoh dear Lord…WHAT IS THAT???
a psychedelic umbrella perhaps?
November 9, 2008 at 10:13 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772178apellesParticipantPraxiteles, do you know if the ceiling & walls of the Honan Chapel were ever decorated in the celtic revival manner?
November 9, 2008 at 8:38 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772175apellesParticipantI’ve often wondered why more of our church’s aren’t decorated with Celtic revival art…
BY EMMA CULLINAN THE IRISH TIMES Thursday, October 16, 2008
SOME SAY that shopping has become the new religion and in certain parts of Ireland intensive development has brought retail and religious life face-to-face
That happened in Dún Laoghaire when the Bloomfield shopping centre was being built in the early 1990s on the grounds of a Dominican convent. While most of the order’s buildings were being demolished, a group of people (the likes of whom the world must be ever grateful for) fought for the preservation of a tiny Oratory whose simple exterior hid a large and stunning example of Celtic revival art: a testimony to human spirit, drive and creativity.
The Oratory was built in 1919 at the end of the first World War in thanksgiving for peace and also as a war memorial. It was constructed by Louis Monks, who was responsible for a number of buildings in Dun Laoghaire, and he perhaps even designed this one.
The ‘decoration’ in the simple building was limited to a statue of the Sacred Heart, which was brought over from France, taking centre place amid the pale plaster walls and (then) concrete floor. But now this gold icon has become just one element in an elaborate, multi-coloured, melodic medley of interlacing patterns and multiple symbols, including grinning snakes, and birds whose necks and beaks curl to create Celtic rings.
This gem is enclosed by two buildings and so is akin to the prize found after unwrapping a pass-the-parcel. The original Oratory building has been protected by a larger structure, funded by the EU and designed by the OPW. Surprisingly, but perhaps for good reason, this outer shell does not have vast expanses of glass through which lots of natural light could have entered the stained glass windows in the Oratory.
On entering the outer building you reach a lobby and turn to the right where you meet the white front of the Oratory – its side walls are hidden behind doors.
Open the doors into the chapel and the sight makes you involuntarily draw in breath – every wall is covered in colour and pattern. The room is small- at 5.85m by 3.60m – but as an art work it is huge. It rewards as a complete piece but offers further gains in close scrutiny of sections.
It took 16 years to paint and was the work of Sister Mary Concepta who learnt the art of such illustration from her father Thomas Lynch who ran a company that illuminated manuscripts.
Born Lily Lynch in 1874, the young girl would help in her father’s Grafton Street studio during holidays from her school in the Dominican Convent. Their time together was cut short because her father died in 1890, when Lily was just 16, yet she had learnt enough to take over the running of the studio. After six years disaster struck again when the workshop burned down, and Lily returned to the convent becoming Sister Mary Concepta. Here she continued her creative work, teaching art and playing music. When the Oratory was built 30 years later she asked if she could decorate it.
Celtic art had seen a revival, starting in the 18th century and accelerating in the late 19th century and early 20th century as Ireland was breaking away from British rule. In certain parts of the country architecture looked back too – to a time when styles were seen as more representative of Irish culture. The Honan chapel in Cork, for instance, was built in the Hiberno Romanesque style that drew on past designs for inspiration. The 1916 chapel’s façade is a copy of the 12th century Romanesque St Cronan church in Roscrea, Tipperary, and its interior is similar to that of Cormac’s Chapel, Cashel, Co Tipperary. It even has a miniature Irish round tower at one end.
Much of Honan’s interior fittings were hand-crafted, recalling a time when things weren’t machine made. This tied in with the Arts and Crafts movement of the early 20th century, which included the likes of William Morris, Dante Gabriel Rossetti and Charles Rennie Mackintosh, the latter also worked in the Art Nouveau style and some Celtic revivalist artists took influence from that art movement while others kept to a more traditional form.
Sister Mary Concepta worked in the latter style – staying true to works such as the eighth century Book of Kells – although the Oratory walls take in influences from Islamic art and also show a good deal of wit in some of the cartoon-like characters.
As with parts of the Honan Chapel, the stained glass windows in the Dún Laoghaire building are thought to be by Harry Clarke – or his studio. He probably catered closely to his client’s wishes as they are not in his distinctive style although the eyes are familiar – especially on the window to the right of the statue.
Every pattern on the Oratory walls and ceiling fits so well with the rest that Sister Concepta must have imagined the complete design before she began working – fitting in the task around her other full-time duties in days that began at 5.30am. The work was stencilled on: Sister Concepta would draw the designs on paper and sometimes old blinds and then cut them out.
This allowed her to use mirror images on opposite walls giving a sense of balance throughout. But there is also free-hand work, certainly in the dash and dot design at the top of the wall. Some of the dots were added in by the children as a reward for going to the paint shop for Sister Concepta, who couldn’t leave the convent herself.
She used normal household paint but gave very specific instructions as to how it should be mixed to achieve the shades she wanted and those colours are incredible in that they all work together: all the blues, browns, reds, greens, golds, mauves, blacks, whites, oranges and pale pinks combining, in intricate patterns to, paradoxically, create a feeling of calm.
Many of the designs were her own but a depiction of a monster biting a man has been identified as coming from the Book of Kells. Another influence was the Eucharistic Congress in Dublin in 1932, which saw dignitaries of the Catholic church descend on the city: this is recorded on opposite Oratory walls where Sister Concepta has reproduced the Eucharistic Cross, offering a clue as to when she painted this section.
The ceiling is calm, with simple designs and the outlines of interlacing that haven’t been coloured in. Sister Concepta had to stop working on the Oratory when she became ill in 1936 and yet the ‘unfinished’ work has a sense of completion, as if she decided to paint on the simple outlines to continue the overall pattern in the room and make it whole. She died of TB three years later, at the age of 65, but not without leaving this astonishing art work behind as well as linen panels describing her method of working – for her students – which are now in the National Gallery.
these beautiful photos are from http://www.theword.ie/cms/publish/article_671.shtml
November 6, 2008 at 11:37 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772160apellesParticipantJust imagine, all the polychrome saints were painted cream in 1954!!
When exactly did this lunacy begin?..had this thinking of whitewashing over these beautiful interiors been around long before V2?… How do these vandels sleep at night?
November 5, 2008 at 2:31 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772153apellesParticipantmy last post on this topic… think this is what i’ve been searching for..could be essential for anyone involved in any aspect of
church artistry.Church Symbolism By F. R. Webber, Ralph Adams Cram.
most of it can be viewed here..
http://books.google.ie/books?id=1dd70E-chqwC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=pugins+alpha+omega
now i just have to see if its still in print.
October 31, 2008 at 10:52 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772148apellesParticipantthats very helpful indeed Praxiteles,I thought i had tried every combination but had’nt used “instuments” as a search word.
thou there is still some debate here as to exactly how many definitive emblems or instuments of the passion there are.
October 30, 2008 at 11:39 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772141apellesParticipantDoes anyone have a definitive compilation of the “emblems of the passion”? i’m having no luck sourceing these.
October 25, 2008 at 2:45 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772119apellesParticipanthere’s some beautiful gothic line art.
http://inillotempore.com/blog/images/gallery/slideshow.php?mode=high&set_albumName=LineArt
October 25, 2008 at 2:35 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772118apellesParticipantExcellent post Praxitelles,
There are many Catholics who come to church looking for God and are
disappointed and dismayed because he doesn’t seem to be there anymorejust about sums it up for me and everyone i know.
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