reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- October 25, 2008 at 12:24 pm #772116
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ParticipantPrax: Many thanks for that – until there is an appreciation that modernism is now but one style among many, we will never ‘invent’ a new traditional architecture,especially for churches. I would have thought that, in Ireland, a reinstatement (and restatement) of the Hiberno-Romanesque would provide an aesthetically simplistic yet elegant and numinous model.
October 25, 2008 at 12:55 pm #772117Praxiteles
Participant@johnglas wrote:
Prax: Many thanks for that – until there is an appreciation that modernism is now but one style among many, we will never ‘invent’ a new traditional architecture,especially for churches. I would have thought that, in Ireland, a reinstatement (and restatement) of the Hiberno-Romanesque would provide an aesthetically simplistic yet elegant and numinous model.
On that score, this may be of interest from the webpage of the New Liturgical Movement:
Upcoming Fota Conference: Benedict XVI on Beauty: Issues in the Tradition of Christian Aesthetics
by Shawn TribeSt. Colman’s Society for Catholic Liturgy have announced their upcoming conference topics and speakers for 2009, to take place again at the Sheraton Hotel on Fota Island, Cork, Ireland.
The topic of the conference sounds particularly intriguing and certainly hits upon an area of significant relevance and interest: “Benedict XVI on Beauty: Issues in the Tradition of Christian Aesthetics”.
The conference will take place from July 12-13, 2009 and will be chaired by Professor D. Vincent Twomey, SVD.
Speakers and topics will include:
Ethan Anthony
The Third Revival: New Gothic and Romanesque Catholic Architecture in North AmericaDr. Helen Ratner Dietz, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.
The Nuptial Meaning of Classic Church ArchitectureFr. Daniel Gallagher
The Liturgical Consequences of Thomistic AestheticsFr. Uwe Michael Lang
Louis Bouyer and Church ArchitectureDr. Joseph Murphy
The Fairest and the Formless: The Face of Christ as Criterion for Christian BeautyDr. Alcuin Reid
‘Noble Simplicity’ Revisited[NLM note: This is a topic of particular importance. There is perhaps no concept in this realm that is so misunderstood and misappropriated as is “noble simplicity”.]
Dr. Neil J. Roy
The Galilee Chapel: A Medieval Notion Comes of AgeDr. Janet Rutherford
Eastern iconoclasm and the defence of divine beautyProfessor Duncan G. Stroik
Image of Eternity: the Church building as anagogicalOctober 25, 2008 at 2:35 pm #772118apelles
ParticipantExcellent post Praxitelles,
There are many Catholics who come to church looking for God and are
disappointed and dismayed because he doesn’t seem to be there anymorejust about sums it up for me and everyone i know.
October 25, 2008 at 2:45 pm #772119apelles
Participanthere’s some beautiful gothic line art.
http://inillotempore.com/blog/images/gallery/slideshow.php?mode=high&set_albumName=LineArt
October 25, 2008 at 8:57 pm #772120Praxiteles
ParticipantThis week saw the publication of the first volume of the theological Opera Omnia of the present Pope which will run to 16 volumes. Not surprisingly, the first volume published was volume 11 which just happens to be his liturgical writings. Unfortunately, they have not yet been translated into English – nor for that matter are they out in nursery rhyme form for the benefits of the illiterati on the Cloyne HACK. The follwoing report on the event is taken for the New Liturgical Movement webpage:
Saturday, October 25, 2008
Benedict’s Preface to the Ratzinger Opera Omnia: What is and is he not saying about Liturgical Orientation?
by Shawn TribeZenit recently published this article concerning the collected writings of Ratzinger. It contains some interesting snippet quotes that will bear some looking at following the piece. Comments to follow.
Pope Hopes “Complete Works” Get Past Polemics: Recalls Stir Caused by 2000 Book on Liturgy
VATICAN CITY, OCT. 23, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI says he hopes the publication of his complete works will help get past polemics regarding the liturgy.
The Pope affirmed this in the preface to the first of 16 German-language volumes, which was presented Wednesday. The “Complete Works” will contain previously unpublished texts, and range from Joseph Ratzinger’s university years up to his election as Pontiff.
“It would please me very much if the new publication of my writings on the liturgy could contribute to making visible the great perspectives of our liturgy, putting again in their place the small and pitiful diatribes on exterior forms,” the Holy Father writes in the preface, which was partially made available in Italian by Vatican Radio.
The Pope said that starting off his complete works with the theme of the liturgy, as happened at the Second Vatican Council, reflects the primacy of God.
The liturgy, he added, “has been for me the central reality of my life since childhood.” He said it gives the answer to the question, “Why do we believe?”
“God before all else,” Benedict XVI affirms in the preface. “Wherever the gaze at God is not determinant, everything else loses its orientation.”
Seeking calm
The Pontiff acknowledged that to avoid polemics, he had considered removing nine pages from his book “The Spirit of the Liturgy: An Introduction,” published in 2000. This book makes up the main portion of the first volume of the complete works.
Unfortunately, he recalled, almost all reports on the work focus on those pages where he wrote of the orientation of the priest during the liturgy.
Later, the Holy Father continued, he decided to keep the pages, satisfied that his overall intention is clear.
He recognized that his suggestion is gaining ground: “to not modify the structures, but simply to put a cross in the center of the altar, such that both the priest and the faithful look toward it, so as to allow themselves to be drawn toward the Lord, to whom we all pray together.”
“The concept by which the priest and the assembly should look one another in the eye during prayer has been developed only in modern times and is totally foreign to ancient Christianity,” the Pontiff wrote. “The priest and the assembly didn’t pray facing each other, but directed toward the one Lord.
“Because of this, during prayer, they look in the same direction: Either toward the east, a cosmic symbol of the Lord who is to come, or, where this was not possible, toward an image of Christ in the apse, toward a cross, or simply all together toward the heights, as the Lord did during his priestly prayer the night before his passion.”
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Evidently, there is going to be some attention given to the Pope’s statements about the question of orientation — ironically perhaps given the context in which it comes up. But I would advise people not to get their hopes or their backs up too readily here — depending upon how you are approaching this question — for the Pope is not actually saying anything here that he hasn’t said as a Cardinal.First off, it is important that we quote the Pope’s words in fuller form, which reveals them to be much less dramatic than they might otherwise sound. Consider the following quotes from the preface, as published in Italian in “30 Days”, and presented here in an NLM translation:
“Unfortunately, almost all the reviews [of the Spirit of the Liturgy] have focused on a single chapter: ‘The altar and orientation of liturgical prayer’. Readers of reviews would have had to conclude that the entire work had treated only of the orientation of the celebration and that its content was reduced to wanting to reintroduce the celebration of Mass ‘with your back to the people’.”
“In view of this misrepresentation I thought for a moment [NLM emphasis] to delete this chapter in order to bring the debate onto the real issue that interested me and still interests me in the book.
This was made all the more easily possible [to consider doing] by the fact that in the meantime appeared two excellent works in which the issue of orientation of prayer in the Church of the first millennium was clarified so persuasively. I think first of all the important little book by Uwe Michael Lang, Turning towards the Lord, of particular importance, and the important contribution of Stefan Heid, attitude and orientation of the first prayer in the Christian era (in the Journal of Christian Archeology, 72-2006), where sources and a bibliography on this issue are amply illustrated and updated.
The conclusion is quite clear: the idea that a priest and the people should look one another in the eye was only [an idea] in modern Christianity and is completely alien in the ancient [Church]. The priest and people certainly do not pray to each other, but to the one Lord. They look in prayer in the same direction: towards the East as cosmic symbol for the Lord that is to come, or where this is not possible, to an image of Christ, to a cross, or simply to heaven, as the Lord did priestly prayer in the evening before his Passion (Jn 17:1).
Meanwhile, fortunately the proposal I made in my work at the end of this chapter works its way [into practice] more and more: not a new change, but simply the putting of a cross on the middle of the altar towards which priest and faithful can together look, to be guided in this way to the Lord, [toward which] we all pray together.”
As is evident in the fuller quotation, the Pope did not think of deleting his chapter on liturgical orientation because he thought it was a misguided or unimportant subject, but because he thought it was distracting from the broader, deeper focus of his own work. Further, it is an extraordinarily relevant detail that he considered doing so (“for a moment”) in the light of the fact that others, like Fr. Uwe Michael Lang, had since then made the case (“so persuasively”) for the historic form of orientation in Christian liturgical prayer in their own studies, and therefore he did not have to. Clearly this is not a Pope who sees the matter as unimportant — but, let it be said that any writer can relate to the frustration of writing something and having one single point come to distract from the greater whole and more substantive thesis.The Pope, as is evident in his writing here and elsewhere, clearly sees the problematic nature of the change in orientation at the altar which focused upon this idea of looking upon each other. One point he wishes to drive home is that regardless of the exterior form, our focus ought to be upon the Lord. Therefore, even in our present situation which finds so many priests directed toward the nave of the Church (and hence toward the people) our focus should be upon the Lord and not each other.
Accordingly, the Pope, like the Cardinal, has put forth a pragmatic proposition in the light of present circumstance: namely, exclude the notion that we must see each other eye-to-eye — that we are the point of focus within the liturgy — and place a central cross upon the altar thereby beginning the process of re-orienting the priest and the faithful towards the symbol of the Cross, making it a symbolic “East”.
The Pope, being a pastor, is also concerned with pastoral questions, and this is where his consideration of the changing of structures seems to enter in, which is a key contextual point. Let’s consider what he said in Fontgombault in 2001 which shows the consistent theme of his thought and gives us further context to understand it:
The third problem is the celebration versus populum. As I have written in my books, I think that celebration turned towards the east, toward the Christ who is coming, is an apostolic tradition. I am not however in favour of forever changing churches around completely; so many churches have now been restructured that starting all over again right now [NLM emphasis] does not seem to me at all a good idea.— From “Looking Again at the Question of the Liturgy with Cardinal Ratzinger”
Ratzinger’s thought, and Benedict’s apparent echo of that thought, would seem to be pastorally motivated and pragmatic in nature. He seems to be considering a situation of change on a vast scale (similar to what happened following the Council) to both permanent structural arrangements of churches as well as to a widescale shift in liturgical practice. Ratzinger has made clear that he saw this approach following the Council as being quite harmful and he clearly is not eager to see a repetition.That said, some will no doubt try to suggest that Benedict is therefore stating that we should not celebrate Mass ad orientem in the traditional sense, nor even make minor, non-structural re-arrangements, but this would seem to mischaracterize his thought, not to mention his practice. Evidently, Benedict is giving a primacy at this point to the use of a central altar cross as a primary means by which to begin re-orienting our approach to the liturgy. This much is clear — and really comes as no surprise given its consistency with all he has said before. It really is the most realistic method, and in some cases, it would be physically the only way to accomplish it short of substantial renovations to permanent arrangements. This method will allow each and every Mass and each and every parish to begin the process of re-orientation, and with the least general disruption.

But while speaking of what will be the primary course for re-orienting our liturgies in most of our parishes, it wouldn’t seem to mean that ad orientem in its traditional expression is outside the pale — indeed, it is envisioned and allowed for by the Missal and by liturgical law. We should note that what he has clearly spoken about not being done is pursuing a large scale program of significant structural changes to permanent sanctuary arrangements, or a widescale shift in general liturgical practice. This doesn’t, however, preclude a gradual or longer term process however, either on a general scale or an individual parish level. I would propose that the introduction of some Masses ad orientem in a parish setting, or less significant re-arrangements would seem to be quite consistent here, as would seem to be clarified by three facts:
One is the testimony of his own practice. Not only does he celebrate this way each day in his private chapel, but he also recently did so in the Sistine Chapel. This occured in the context of a parish like situation and they could have, as had been done every other time prior to that (see image), done so at an altar ad populum with a central altar cross upon it. He did not however. The fact this wasn’t done and that the original high altar was instead used is suggestive that Benedict does not see this as inimical to pastoral consideration in any kind of general way, or a practice to be avoided.Second, Benedict praises Fr. Uwe Michael Lang’s treatment of the subject, which is not only a historical examination, but also includes practical liturgical considerations on the recovery of traditional orientation for the second half of the liturgy, “the Liturgy of the Eucharist”, in the modern liturgical context. Perhaps relevant is that Ratzinger himself wrote a preface to that work which not only consistently re-states some of the very points we have been discussing here (i.e. our true orientation regardless of the incidentals of where the priest is facing) but which also defends the fact that present liturgical law (as clarified by the Congregation for Divine Worship) does not make Mass ad populum obligatory. Given the consistency we see in Benedict’s thoughts on these matters, this may be important to help contextualize his thought here.
Finally, it is also worth remembering that Benedict has “freed” and encouraged a form of the liturgy which will predominantly (if not entirely) be celebrated in the traditional orientation at those same parish altars and in the parish context, and he has couched this in terms of its possibility for “enrichment.” This opens the door to this orientation to the typical parish and may also require minor-arrangements to accommodate this. If Benedict saw this as generally pastorally problematic, regardless of the fact we are speaking of the use of a different missal, it would seem rather inconsistent to say the least.
What then are we to make of his thought? What is he proposing or not proposing?
First, he seems to desire to steer people away from polemical hostility and into greater liturgical calm in the hopes of fostering a better overall liturgical climate that will allow us to reclaim our liturgical senses and sensibilities. He does so while affirming the tradition of the Eastward direction of liturgical prayer and the novelty in the approach taken toward versus populum.
Second, he suggests that any kind of general project of major structural renovation throughout the Church is not best pursued and that general liturgical upheaval, both of which happened following the Council, is also to be avoided — both no doubt informed by the quite negative post-conciliar experience in this regard, which, as he has noted elsewhere, he sees as having been quite damaging. He does not want to see that experience and approach repeated.
Third, in the light of the second point, he also seems to envision the use of the central altar cross as the primary means by which to begin this process of re-orienting ourselves, priest and faithful, within the liturgy; regaining our sense of the liturgy as fundamentally theocentric and not rather about ourselves in dialogue, looking upon one another. But at the same time, if we take his words and actions into consideration, he does not seem to intend to suggest this as the only appropriate means or that there might not also be a secondary means; namely some recovery of the traditional expression of ad orientem liturgicum.
Further, in speaking against the modification of structures, he doesn’t seem to be suggesting a parish couldn’t take simple actions like move a free-standing altar a little further back in a sanctuary to allow for ad orientem (as might be necessary to accommodate the usus antiquior) or that it couldn’t even remove a non-fixed altar where the original high altar remains in tact (as was done in the Sistine Chapel). Neither is he speaking of churches being newly built. Rather, he clearly seems to be speaking against widescale projects to alter permanent and fixed sanctuary arrangements, similar to what followed the Council. I cannot but stress that the Pope’s own decision in the Sistine Chapel speaks to this point quite significantly.
In the end, the conclusion of all this would seem to be that all of the normal considerations that parish priests have been considering and pursuing to date as part of the reform of the reform apply. There is really nothing new in all this and it simply emphasizes again the point that the reform of the reform is a process, and one that requires pastoral preparation and sensitivity in its application
October 25, 2008 at 9:17 pm #772121Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here we have St. patrick’s Church in Kansas City which has just been re-refurbished:
And the new sanctuary and altar:
October 25, 2008 at 11:43 pm #772122Praxiteles
ParticipantOctober 26, 2008 at 8:21 am #772123Praxiteles
ParticipantSome more pictures from the consecration of old St. Patrick’s in Kansas City.
For the interest of our liturgical friends, it should be noted that the church was consecrated according to the old Roman Pontifical:
The arrival of the consecrating Bishop:

Two intersecting lines of sand are laid out on the floor. Usually, these should extend from corner to corner in the church.

The Bishop traces the letters of the Latin alphabet on one line and those of the Greek alphabet on the other with the crozier: This action is derived from classical Roman law governing the the taking of possession of land and symbolizing here that the church has been claimed for God.


The relics for the High Altar are borne in:

The walls are anointed chrism in 12 places to symbolize that the Church rests on the witness of the 12 Apostles:

The places of consecration are marked by 12 red corsses inserted in the wall and before which are placed candle holders for candles which are lit on the anniversary of the dedication.

The departure of the consecrating Bishop:
October 26, 2008 at 10:16 pm #772124Praxiteles
ParticipantSome more on what happened to Church architecture:
Stephen Schloeder on the subject
http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/pdf/3b_SecondSpring1995.pdf
October 26, 2008 at 10:22 pm #772125Praxiteles
ParticipantSome more from Stephen Schloeder on the revision of the American Bishops COnference Document on church architecture, pubklished in 1978 and still used by the Irish “liturgical” establishment:
http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/pdf/3g_BackToTheDrawingBoard.pdf
October 26, 2008 at 10:29 pm #772126Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd Schloeder again. This tme on the return to a humane architecture:
http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/pdf/3e_HumaneArchitecture1998.pdf
October 26, 2008 at 10:38 pm #772127Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here we have Schloeder again with a rather good description of what has happened to church architecture under the aegis of people like Vosko and Seasoltz – come to think of it, it might have been a good idea had Cork County Council read this article before sponsoring its Ballincollig quango earlier last month wchih allowed the Cloyne HACK to propogate views of church architecture which, at this point, are as fossilized as the diansours promoting them:
http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/pdf/3c_SacramentalArchitectureFaithAndFormNov03.pdf
October 26, 2008 at 10:43 pm #772128Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here we have Schloeder on Sacramental architecture:
October 26, 2008 at 10:50 pm #772129Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here we have a Schloeder re-reordering at St. Mark’s in Peoria where the 1970s hooror drome was removed and a more Catholic interior supplied.
http://www.liturgicalenvirons.com/pdf/StMarkPeoria_ProjectSheet.pdf
October 26, 2008 at 11:00 pm #772130Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd a new church project by Schloeder, this time in the Byzantine style:
October 26, 2008 at 11:07 pm #772131Praxiteles
ParticipantNow, here we have the latest (2008) line-out of the Art and Architecture Advisory Committee of the Liturgical Commission of the Irish Episcopal Conference [so we are at three removes from the Irish Episcopal Conference and God nly knows how many from reality]
Advisory Committee on Sacred Art and Architecture
Mr Alexander White (chairperson), Monkstown, Cork
Fr Patrick Jones (secretary), National Centre for Liturgy, Maynooth
Mr Kevin Clancy, Ennis Road, Limerick
*Ms Cliodhna Cussen, Bóthar Bhinn Eadán, Baile Ãtha Cliath 13
Mr Tom Glendon, Ballybrack, Co. Dublin
*Fr Michael Gilroy, Inver, Barnatra,, Co. Mayo
Fr Hugh Kennedy, St Peter’s Cathedral, Belfast
*Mr John Lynch, Donoughmore, Co. Cork
Mr Paul O’Daly, Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin
Dr Jacinta Prunty, CHF, Dept. of History, NUIM
Mr Brian Quinn, Belfast
October 27, 2008 at 11:32 am #772132Praxiteles
ParticipantOn the consecration of old St Patrick’s in Kansas City, here is a diagram of the manner in which the taking of possession is done:
As for the meaning of this, the Catholic Encyclopedia suggests the following:
The “Liber Sacramentorum” of St. Gregory I and the “Pontifical” of Egbert, Archbishop of York, attest the antiquity of this ceremony, which symbolized the instruction given to the newly baptized in the elements of faith and piety. The crossing of the two lines points to the cross, that is Christ crucified, as the principal dogma of the Christian religion. The Greek and Latin languages represent the Jews and Gentiles respectively. The Greek alphabet is written first because the Jews were first called to the Christian Faith.
October 27, 2008 at 6:28 pm #772133Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here is a photograph of Southark Cathedral redied for consecration.

The is a similar photograph of the interior of Cobh Cathedral in the Browne Collection showing the interior of the Cathedral on the night before its consecration in 1919.
October 27, 2008 at 10:24 pm #772134Praxiteles
ParticipantON the question of the tracing of the alphabet on the floors of churches to be consecrated, Ildefonso Schuster, in his Liber Sacrementorum points out that this practice was in fact unknown to the primitive consecratory rites of the Roman Church and not used in Rome or in the Roman Province.
Rather, he shows that this specific practice deives from Gallican usage which by the 8 or 9 century had become merged with the rites of the Roman church to form the dedicatory ceremonies used for new churches up the the 1970s – and used again in the case of old ST Patrick’s in Kansas City. One of the earliest sources for the practice is a commentary on the dedication of a church attributed to Remigius of Auxerre and dates from the 9 century. The practice described there is confirmed in the Ordo of Verona, in the Sacramentaries of Angouleme and Gellone and in the Missale Francorum.
In the Romena practice, the idea prevailed that the sanctity of a church derived from the divine sacrifice offreed therein. However, some preparatory sanctification preceded that: usually the deposition of the relics of the martyrs, the erection of a new martyr’s tomb or of an altar.
The idea of the taking of possession of ground by spreading a decussated “X” had its origins in Roman surveyors and Aurgerers who fixed boundaries by spreading an “X” over it and marking it with letters. In the case of ground to be used for a Temple, the aurgur fixed its boundaries with a decussatedb”X” marked with letters.
When the practice was christianised, the “X” came to represent the monogram of Christ, on which were fixed the Greek letters Alpha and Omega – the apocalyptical letters of the Book of Revelations. In the course of time, the full Greek alphaet was spelled out, and joined to it the letter of the Latin Alphabet – or sometimes the Hebrew one. While the Bishop traces the letters on the floor of the church, the choir sings Fundamentum aliud nemo potest ponere praeter illud denique quod positum est a Christo Domino – no other foundation can be laid except that laid by Christ the Lord. Tracing the monogram of Christ on the floor of the new church is the equivelant of impressing the name of Christ on the floor of the church to sanctify the foundation stone of the building.
Following this part of the rite, the Bishop sprinkles the walls with Holy Water and read the prayer: Fundamenta templi hujus sapentiae suae fndavit Deus, in quo,…si ruant venti et pluant flumina, non possunt ea movere umquam, fundata enim erat super petram..” – the foundation of this temple God has set in his wisdom and should the winds rage or the waters pour down, they shall never move them, for they are founded on rock – the antiphon composed for the consecration of Justinian’s Santa Sophia!
It may also be worth noting that the inlaid marble floors of many continental churches retain the decussis in their design with “X” patterns spreading diagonally from one side to the other.
October 28, 2008 at 4:54 pm #772135Praxiteles
ParticipantSome further photographs of Old St. Patrick’s in Kansas City:
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