reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Praxiteles has just received a series of photographs of some of the latest degradations happening in Cobh Cathedral. We start publication of these with a view of the Altar of the Cruucifix which has been converted into something akin to a louche boudoir of unsavoury purpose. What precisely all of this has to do with the promotion of vocations is very difficult to say and, if this is all that is being done to promote vocations, it will have a predictably fruitless outcome.
On a small point of detail: the HACK and the various comrades on the Cobh Liturgical Soviet have for long insisted on a very (mindlessly) rigorous observance of liturgical norms when it comes to promoting their own Fidel Castro type take over of the liturgy in the diocese of Cloyne – indeed another area of widespread abuse in the diocese of Cloyne requiring some public attention. However, Praxiteles would like to know how this altar arrangement can be justified when both the Rurbicae Generales and the Institutio Generalis Romani Missalis specifically state that nothing is to be placed on an altar other than what is strictly necessary for the celebration of the Mass?
The Sacred Heart Chapel in Cobh Cathedral has now been fully converted into a dumping ground with the arrival of several benches left over from the last re-arrangement of the Cathedral seating.
Of course, the effects of these benches on the important ornamental floor of the chapel can only be imagined. The genius County Architect and the the obliging Town Clerk and Town Manager in Cobh will of course do nothing to ensure the condition of the floor in their rush to accomodate the brazen bishop.
And on a liturgical point, please note how the comrades on the Cobh Liturgical Soviet also overlook what is happening with the flower vases and candlesticks here. You will note that two candlesticks remain on the plinth behind the altar table -where they are supposed to be – while four along with two vases have been placed on the altar table – where they are prohibited from being placed.
And from the following, Praxiteles thinks that there is sufficient evidence to infer the existence of a classical (out-dated) Marxist-Leninism operative in the Cobh Liturgical Societ.
Rather than ADD the figures of the Magi to the crib, the Liturgical Soviet, evidently, have decided to use the feast of the Epiphany as an opportunity to promote class hatred by expelling the shepherds to allow for the arrival of the Kings! Is that not crazy in the season of good cheer.
On the other hand, the good thing about it is that the class-strife promoting crib will be in place until about next October and will probably serve as a Marxist-Leninist theme park for the trouist trade over the summer – if we have one this year.
I suppose they are using the idea of the Epiphany House
‘ and when the had come into the house’rather than the stable
But why then the straw and the lambs? Is there something about the domestic arrangements of the members of HACK of which we have not been told?
Hi Praxiteles and Samuel j, much appreciate the compliments on my painting of Sts Peter & Paul’s Cathedral Cork City. Wonder who sent you the image? I have been commissioned to create a series of paintings of Pugin designed Cathedrals. I have done St. Colman’s and Sts Peter/Paul, and am currently working on the Cathedral in Enniscorthy. The interior painting was extremely difficult. I don’t have any architectural training and just use my eye and pencil (working from sketches and photos done on site) to pull it together. I am complelely addicted to painting period buildings, the more complicated the better! R
I should say there is a better image of the St Peter/Paul Cathedral on my website, the image you have is blurry! http://www.roisinoshea.com, takes you to my home page, then click on ‘Online gallery’, to view images. R
St Colman’s Cathedral Cobh, Co. Cork
Re doors on the west facade.
This is waht was on the door befopre it was taken off for “repairs”
Here we have print from the Builder of 1908 showing the design (placed first in competition) for the church of the Sacred heart in Castletownberehaven. The plan is by R. M. Butler. Does anyone know if this was carried out?
Apparently, the church, in some version, was built in Castletownbere.
Jeremy WIlliams in his history of Victorian Architecture in Ireland is rather harsh in his comments on R. M.Butler’s (1972-1943) essays in the neo-Gothic idiom. The oeuvre includes: Holy Cross, Belfast; Holy Family, Dublin; Presentation Convent, Dingle; Clonbroney; Balla; Glenamaddy; Mulranny; Newport; Scotshouse; Aughnacloy. He also built the National Concert Hall, Dublin.
Nathaniel Westlake (1833-1921),
Another example of his set of Stations of the Cross in Maynooth College Chapel – this is the first station, Jesus is condemned by Pilate (who quite accurately sits on the curial chair to indicate his authority to hand down a sentence of death. It was pblished in the Builder on 16 April 1892.This photograph from posting 246 of many moons ago, gives an idea of the location, dimensions and tinctures of Westlake’s stations of the Cross in Maynooth College Chapel – needless to say, I am not talking of Hacker Hurley’s St Mary’s Chapel in Maynooth (an excerside, we are to believe, represents rescuing Vatican II from the ashes!!).
St Lacteen’s, Donoughmore, Co. Cork
This is the sky-line of the church built by our friend John “i’d love to be a liturgist” Lynch at Donoughmore. It’s jus a mess and makes no prcatical sense at all.
I have to ask what doe’s John “I should have been a liturgist” Lynch & the Hacker Hurley think about all the attention they’ve been given on this forum? not one ounce of it from what I’ve read or seen (forgive me if I’m wrong) has been in anyway positive about any of their projects highlighted & rightly so…but..this is their profession…they’ve obviously made a name for themselves and must be highly thought of by some to be constantly recommended to design & oversee so many projects..also I’m sure like anyone they must meet there clients, talk through their architectural requirements, do sketches, show proposals, revising them possibly several times before commencement of any work gets under way..does all the blame lie solely on their shoulders for these disasters? has anyone on the forum had any direct dealings with them? what are they like to work with .. is it their way or the highway? would it not it be interesting to get them to come on & defend their point of view or shall we just continue with these building assassinations at every given opportunity!
@apelles wrote:
I have to ask what doe’s John “I should have been a liturgist” Lynch & the Hacker Hurley think about all the attention they’ve been given on this forum? not one ounce of it from what I’ve read or seen (forgive me if I’m wrong) has been in anyway positive about any of their projects highlighted & rightly so…but..this is their profession…they’ve obviously made a name for themselves and must be highly thought of by some to be constantly recommended to design & oversee so many projects..also I’m sure like anyone they must meet there clients, talk through their architectural requirements, do sketches, show proposals, revising them possibly several times before commencement of any work gets under way..does all the blame lie solely on their shoulders for these disasters? has anyone on the forum had any direct dealings with them? what are they like to work with .. is it their way or the highway? would it not it be interesting to get them to come on & defend their point of view or shall we just continue with these building assassinations at every given opportunity!
As Praxiteles understands it, the floor is open to anyone who wants to comment !
Passing through Castletownroche and Ballyhooley today , I noticed both churches are closed with ‘ work ‘ going on in both. Ballyhooley was being scaffolded inside with all the church cleared of seats etc.,.Castletownroche I believe is having a new heating system installed.
In the building of new churches, Praxiteles believes that we should aim for something of the forma mentis that inspired and brought into being the Cathedral of Monreale in Sicily. Praxiteles, while accepting that hay-barn builders such as those responsible for the disaster at Donoughmore are also directed by clerics and others who know little or nothing about ecclesiastical architecture, at the same time, it has to understood that when approached even by the most ignorant cleric they hay-barmn builders offered nothing and no alternative but the crap they usually produce. As for the forma mentis or Gestalt underlying what they usually produce, Praxiteles fears that it is a very long way form Monreale:
Praxiteles suspicions (aroused by the attack and saccage made on St. Nicholas’ Church, Killavullen) re the forma mentis of the architects for St Lacteen’s, Donoughmore, Co. Cork were to some degree confirmed by this which was to be found on one of the windows of the church at Donoughmore. I suppose that it can only be described as a Buddah plorans et stridens dentes at the completely irreligious elan of the Donoughmore church.
@james1852 wrote:
Passing through Castletownroche and Ballyhooley today , I noticed both churches are closed with ‘ work ‘ going on in both. Ballyhooley was being scaffolded inside with all the church cleared of seats etc.,.Castletownroche I believe is having a new heating system installed.
Is it the case that more parish’s are taking advantage of & using the Tax Relief for Donations to Eligible Charities and Approved Bodies scheme that was set up some time ago…http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/chy2.pdf if used correctly could this be the single most important lifeline in protecting church buildings for future generations?
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