New street and redevelopment for Dublin ?
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- November 22, 2006 at 11:47 pm #764580
GrahamH
ParticipantAbsolutely archipimp, and it’s great to see DCC are on the ball in this respect: “The applicant should be advised to note that in a development of this scale it is reasonable that the majority of all new housing shall be family friendly. In this regard the applicant is requested to justify the following: (i) The unacceptably high proportion of one-bed units at 31%. (ii) That just 15% of the overall housing provision is three bedrooms or more. The Planning Authority is of the opinion that it is unreasonable that the proportion of units with just two bedrooms or less constitute over 85% of such a large-scale housing development.”
It continues in requesting an amenity value assement of each apartment, and even addresses the entrance area in no diplomatic terms: “The applicant is requested to clarify and justify the location and size of the primary proposed entrance to the residential units. The proposed 3m wide and extensively long corridor residential entrance to Block B is unsuitable for a primary residential access. The applicant is advised to note that an important component in identifying successful urban apartment living – and a critical component in the quality of life of those who live there – is the generosity, and imagination of residential entrances. The proposed development, in this regard, manifestly fails to demonstrate that imagination or generosity. The lobby entrance to the proposed units require significant improvement in terms of their, scale, design and relationship to the street.”
An unequivocally hard line being taken there. I imagine this concern for living accomodation is prevalent with all proposed developments of late.
November 28, 2006 at 8:35 pm #764581alastair
ParticipantCurrent state of play on the adhesive backed school of symmetry. Excuse the dodgy camera phone quality.
November 29, 2006 at 12:22 am #764582manifesta
ParticipantNovember 29, 2006 at 2:13 am #764583Maxwiggan
ParticipantI think somebody mentioned that this looked like some UK post war new town. I lived in Coventry for a while and had a love hate relationship with its once groundbreaking precinct. By 1998 The precinct was a sad example of faded crumbling modernism.
http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/nowandthen/precinct-west.php
November 29, 2006 at 8:13 pm #764584BTH
ParticipantThose are exactly the kind of images I was thinking of alright – I can just imagine how miserable and overshadowed the arnotts plaza will actually be considering that buildings rise to about 8 storeys to the south of it… And the general architectural language really reminds of the sort of soulless postwar stuff that litters British high streets… A few trendy motifs and elements repeated over and over again – in this case the studied “randomness” which seems to stand in for any sort of grace or elegance in elevations at the moment.
The Arnotts facade to the square is particularly awful and hopefully will be re-considered in the further information. Why squander the opportunity to give the shop a meaningful presence to the square and back down to O’Connell St. It should be vertically emphasized and powerful instead of the sub-roches stores glassy horizontals with a few slits thrown in. There’s a total over-reliance on the signage to give it any sort of presence or meaning. And the mess of housing plonked on top… Surely theres some way of at least making them look like elements of the same building rather than two completely conflicting ideas rammed together…
Anyway, enough ranting! I think the scheme has wonderful potential. However the current proposals on show look woeful. The elevations make the 90’s interventions along Liffey St. and Abbey St. look positively classy – at least the designers there seemed to have some sort of eye for rhythm and proportion…November 30, 2006 at 4:48 pm #764585annagassan
ParticipantWon’t somebody ever realize that modern style geometric buildings have a shelf life of about 30 years? It’s never a good idea to put experimental designs in a city centre. Years from now, people will wonder what in the world were the architects thinking as over time these fads change and taste differs. What will happen is they will replace a 1960’s building (remind you that at the time they thought these buildings were great) with another ugly monster that our kids will be anxious to see torn down. It would be amazing to see the entire development done in a classical style. Why do architects shy from this?
June 14, 2007 at 7:56 pm #764586Devin
ParticipantArnotts AI is in. If you made an original submission, you have until June 29th to comment on it. They’ve substantially bumped up the size of the corner tower at Abbey Street/Liffey Street, apparently as there were no major objections to it – quite incredible!! Where previously no objections might be a sign that you’d get to build what you applied for, now it’s a sign that you can go for something much bigger instead! Get out of it, Arnotts / HKR architects! There is scope for a slender tower of max 10 or 12 stories at that corner, but certainly not your latest proposal!
Still loads of problems with the design otherwise – gratuitous canopies riding horizontally across distinct individual building plots and the like …. but what do you expect from HKR?
July 11, 2007 at 9:30 am #764587ctesiphon
ParticipantSo it appears that this has been granted by DCC. I haven’t yet seen the details. What are the chaces they amended that stupid ramp off O’Connell Street?
(5170/06 if you’re searching the DCC website.)
July 11, 2007 at 1:55 pm #764588alonso
Participant“The following requirements of the Roads Department shall be strictly complied with during the course of this development. i) The access and egress to the car park shall be off Abbey Street. Full details of the revised access arrangements shall be agreed in writing with the Roads and Traffic Department.”
Hurray!!! Now some tool will appeal it and the Bord will grant but forget to condition this!!!! hah hah, what are the chances…
also “iii) The new pedestrian streets shall be public rights of way and taken in charge by the City Council.” So i presume they can’t and owon’t be locked off at night
July 11, 2007 at 2:01 pm #764589adhoc
ParticipantNot so fast alonso. That Condition concerns site access during construction – not the final access arrangements for the carpark. See Directive 1 for that:
(1.0) Transport and Traffic: (1.1) Notwithstanding the submitted Mobility Management Plan the applicant is requested to submit further justification for the location of the proposed underground car parking access arrangements on O’Connell Street. In this regard the applicant is requested to itemise all those reasonable alternative design solutions that were considered. These should be clearly set out in a detailed matrix, and assessed accordingly having regard to the following (amongst others) criteria – Traffic implications for O’Connell Street – Traffic implications for extended local road network – Impact on LUAS operations – Possible impact on Metro operations – Visual impact on O’Connell Street – Impact on Dublin Bus operations – Impact on pedestrian flows immediate at Easons (directly opposite access dip) – Impact on wider pedestrian movement (including intersection Princess Street/O’Connell Street) – Impact on those with disability and impaired mobility. – Impact on sustainability of proposed retail development itself. (1.2) Having regard to the above, the applicant is requested to submit further information with regard to the detailing of any proposed vehicular access onto O’Connell Street. This should include extensive examples of imagery and drawings (including detailed materials of thereof) of similar such successful underground car parking arrangements elsewhere. The submission should also include a comparative analysis as to the rationale of the preferred design solution having regard to alternative access arrangements considered, for example access off Abbey Street or via Liffey Street. This should also include an analysis of differing depths of gradient etc, and innovative and alternative architectural solutions that would add rather than substantially detract from the public domain. The analysis shall also show how the proposed car park access will affect the level of service for pedestrians along O’Connell Street. This should be accompanied with a safety audit based on peak pedestrian congestion levels.
July 11, 2007 at 2:17 pm #764590alonso
ParticipantIs that not the AI request? I read it that the items numbered in parentheses were the RFI items and the rest were today’s decision, which is now here
http://www.dublincity.ie/AnitePublicDocs/00160990.pdf
The ramp was wholly and utterly beyond ridiculous, so I hope I’m right 🙂
July 11, 2007 at 2:23 pm #764591adhoc
Participantmea culpa alonso, misread it – the ramp is dead.
July 11, 2007 at 2:38 pm #764592ctesiphon
ParticipantSense prevails!
July 11, 2007 at 3:49 pm #764593Anonymous
InactiveSo Arnotts is literally to turn a corner ?
My enthusiasm for this project waned when I saw the proposal for Arnotts original facade – I understand its little more than that, a facade, but its stature provides Henry Street with some of the consistency i think it needs amidst so many one offs.
There is no reason, other than squeezing the maximum out of the site, that the street could not have punched through the 60’s block instead, half of which is all that would have been required.
The proposed reconfiguration has some merit, but its impact is lost facing on to such a narrow street together with the massing & bulk of its proposed opposite number, which will dominate, where once Arnotts did.

You’d literally have to plant yourself half way in to Roches to take in its reconfigured facade in one eye shot, or one camera shot for that matter !
There are many good points to this project, particularly giving Princes Street a purpose, but I’ll be sad to see half of the fine Arnotts facade turn on to what will be a very narrow side street.
July 30, 2007 at 12:56 am #764594GrahamH
Participant30th July 2007
RTÉ
22nd June 2007The Irish Times reports that department store Arnotts is to take over rival Debenhams’ lease on one of the biggest outlets in Dublin’s Jervis Street shopping centre. Arnotts said yesterday it was acquiring the lease on the 7,400 square metre store from early next year.
The paper says London-listed Debenhams bought Irish chain Roches Stores last year for an initial €15m payment and an earn-out deal worth up to a further €14m. The sale meant Debenhams got a bigger premises close to the Jervis Street shop in what was Roches Stores’ Henry Street branch.
The Irish Times says the deal with Debenhams opens the possibility that Arnotts will use the Jervis Street outlet when it goes ahead with the planned redevelopment of its existing store on Henry Street, part of the same key shopping area in Dublin’s city centre.
King Sturge Property
19th July 2007The oldest department store in Dublin, Arnotts, is to take over Debenhams’ lease which anchors Jervis Street Shopping Centre fronting Henry Street.
Henry Street is Dublin’s equivalent to Oxford Street being one of Europe’s highest performers in terms of footfall, clocking up an impressive average hourly footfall level of 15,000.
The store provides 108,000 ft² GIA with a net retail area of 86,579 ft² arranged over basement, ground, upper ground and first floor.
Speaking about the acquisition, Richard Nesbitt – Executive Chairman of Arnotts, said “We are delighted to acquire this important retail site at a time when we are embarking an ambitious development plan which we believe will revolutionise shopping in Dublin City Centre. Over the longer term, this additional space will consolidate Arnotts as the leading retailer in the area”.
King Sturge and Savills Hamilton Osborne King advised Arnotts.
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At last – a half decent use for this store. And hopefully it will also signal the reconfiguration of what has to be the most appallingly non-street accessible, disorientating, inward-looking store in the capital – not to mention the elimination of all those frumpy UK high street fixtures and fittings. This store dated exceptionally quickly; the contemporaneous late-90s Arnotts refurbishment is positively cutting edge by comparison.
July 30, 2007 at 2:33 am #764595Paul Clerkin
KeymasterArnotts buys two Abbey Street pubs
29 July 2007 By Neil Callanan and Michelle Devane
Arnotts, the Dublin department store, has bought Kielys bar on Abbey Street and the adjoining K3 pub.The retailer is believed to have paid as much as €10 million for the pub, which closed two weeks ago. The property is likely to be redeveloped.
The Kielys group will continue to own its pubs in Donnybrook and Mount Merrion. It opened the two bars on Abbey Street in 2000 after it acquired the former Coopers pub in 1999 and redeveloped it.
Arnotts has spent more than €100 million in recent years on buying up properties in the Abbey Street area, ahead of the redevelopment of the department store and adjoining properties.
Planning permission was recently granted for the €700million redevelopment, dubbed the Northern Quarter, which will create large shops to cater for the retailer’s expansion plans as well as leisure facilities, offices and apartments.
Arnotts is also planning to appoint a partner for the project in the coming months.
In order to continue trading during the redevelopment, the retailer bought the lease to the Debenhams outlet in the Jervis Street shopping centre. To help fund the expansion, it is selling two sites on Dominick Street, each of which has a guide price of more than €4 million.
Nobody was available at either Arnotts or Kielys for comment about last week’s deal.
October 3, 2007 at 5:38 pm #764596Devin
ParticipantABP have announced an oral hearing for Arnotts. No date yet.
February 7, 2008 at 8:57 am #764597TLM
ParticipantFrom the Independent..
Arnotts in €1bn move to allow for urban revamp
Plans include a four-star hotel, 175 apartments and 47 shopsArnotts and its development partner British urban regeneration specialist Crentros Miller will break ground at the €1bn, eight-acre Northern Quarter development in Dublin’s north inner city in September.
The project, due for completion in 2011, is currently before An Bord Pleanala, the planning appeals board, with a go-ahead expected to be given shortly.
Yesterday informed sources said that Arnotts, which is 45pc-owned by Niall McFadden’s Boundary Capital and Anglo Irish Bank, is confident about the future of the development against the backdrop of fears of a recession in the US spreading across the Atlantic.
The source said that Dublin’s Henry Street has the highest footfall rates in Europe and that the Northern Quarter development is a long term project.
Arnotts is already talking to a number of household names like Abercrombie & Fitch and Armani as anchor tenants.
The development will include 47 shops, 14 cafes, restaurants and bars, 175 apartments and an 149-bed four-star hotel.
The Northern Quarter also features mixed-use urban development, with an integration of retail, residential, leisure and hotel/spa facilities.
The main feature of the development is to recreate Prince’s Street as an urban street and pedestrian thoroughfare connecting the centre of O’Connell Street, through to Henry Street with a new public square at its centre.
It is expected that the development could act as a catalyst for further development in the Lotts Street area which is adjacent to the River Liffey.
According to the most recently filed accounts for Arnotts, the company boosted its balance sheet by almost €150m in 2006/2007 period on foot of a January revaluation of its property portfolio.
Additions
The retailer engaged estate agents CB Richard Ellis Gunne to revalue its assets in January of 2007 resulting in the uplift.
As a result of that revaluation, and a handful of additions, Arnotts’ fixed assets came in at €535.5m for the year ended 28 January 2007, up from €328.5m the previous year.
The 2006/7 financial year marks Arnotts’ third full-year results since the company returned to the realm of private business in 2003.
The accounts also showed a slight lift in net sales to €145m while operating profit slumped by €7.3m to €861,000 as administration and other expenses soared prompting annual losses to double to €5.1m.
They also took a €500,000 hit for the elimination of “non-profitable business”, and investing a lot in modernising IT systems.
– Ailish O’Hora Business News Editor
February 7, 2008 at 6:47 pm #764598archipimp
ParticipantThere are some great buildings along abbey street what will happen to these? It would be a shame to see them go
February 7, 2008 at 8:15 pm #764599df1711
ParticipantI think this is a very promising development especially for liffey and abbey street.liffey street really has some horrible stores on it from the 2 euro place to all them small stores selling the type of clothes you’d see at a teenage disco with loud music blaring out on the street.plus abbey street, for such a central street is a bit dead at times.all ive ever done is pass through the street and nothing else.hopefully they do get some high quality retailers and not the usual UK multiple.
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