Metro R.I.P.
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@Keen wrote:
in all fairness, there’s little difference with changing in town and changing at the airport. It’s sad that the airport is only served by one bus rout for the entire southside. I normally get the Aircoach on Leeson street if i need to go to the airport, which is normally very very early if going to the UK and therefore requires a taxi direct to the airport. The last time that cost me €35 from Terenure. I really don’t want to be paying that…it’s an embarrassment to public transport. At least the taxis are cleaning up
Youre forgetting the 746 bus Dun Laoire to Airport
@Keen wrote:
my french flatmate needs to go from Terenure to Ballsbridge every day, via the city centre in rush hour traffic. Public transport is ubiqitious and necessary in most cities…is that hard to believe? People depend on it. Just make sure that when the metro is built to the airport that it is marketed to the last in tourist spots, travel offices and hotels so that travellers do not need to go sightseeing in Saturday afternoon traffic on the top deck of the 16A!
Public transport is here to stay, and the LUAS passenger number increase year on year proves that.In relation to your flatmate, That is just the reason why I think there should be circle line bus that travels along the grand canal interchanges with both luas lines and cross the new Becket bridge (2010) stops near grand canal dock, Connolly and Drumcondra stations. Interchages with the propsed Metro and luas line D, continues along the North Circular Rd., into the park and across Island Bridge, stopping near Heuston and continues along the Grand Canal
@cgcsb wrote:
In relation to your flatmate, That is just the reason why I think there should be circle line bus that travels along the grand canal interchanges with both luas lines and cross the new Becket bridge (2010) stops near grand canal dock, Connolly and Drumcondra stations. Interchages with the propsed Metro and luas line D, continues along the North Circular Rd., into the park and across Island Bridge, stopping near Heuston and continues along the Grand Canal
This is in fact an excellent idea… Yet it would be a real challenge to figure out how to give buses priority owing to limited space…
Must say I also like the idea of routing the metro through the tunnel – if for no other reason, than as a good example of a lateral thinking discussion point which this country should have more of. Less reactionaries, more lateralists 😉
@PTB wrote:
Do you have any Idea how long it would take to get to the city centre from Swords? The journey would turn most people off public transport for good.
I’d reckon it would only take about 20 to 30 minutes.
The tram would run from Connolly through the IFSC/Docklands, onwards to the tunnel and would be at the end of the M1 in about 5 to 6 minutes. It wouldn’t be that difficult to find surface routes for the Luas along the M1 as far as the airport and then cut cross country to Swords.
Ok well you could run it up the central margin of the M1 all the way to the airport, but you are talking about reducing the port tunnel down to one lane each way which is a daft idea
@CC105 wrote:
Bit off topic here but was looking at Italian rail system on the web. High Speed rail (250km per hr) from Rome to Florence takes approx one and half hours. In an Irish context I am thinking that would be Dublin to Kerry in the same time. It has been said before that other countries have been building these kind of projects for years and we still cannot prodcue a very minor metro system.
Madrid to Barca high speed train is close to 300 kph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid-Barcelona_high-speed_rail_line
And the ICE train that covers most of Germany / Switzerland cruises at 270kph…i’ve been on both and talk about luxury train travel.
I was talking to our accuontant at work and she was miffed at what was spent of our infrastructure now that the boom is over. And for the life of me i could not figure outhow a €180 Billion a year economy would not have developed a world class transport network in 10 years? I mean, what have we been spending the money on?
The motorways i understand and i have only good things to say about the LUAS…but the tunnel was an overpriced fiasco, no sign of the LUAS extensions and interconnector 4 years since the first LUAS line started running, and the Metro takes 6 years (for one line) so, are we just bad at this sort of thing?@Rory W wrote:
Ok well you could run it up the central margin of the M1 all the way to the airport, but you are talking about reducing the port tunnel down to one lane each way which is a daft idea
It becomes a lot less daft if the port’s moved elsewhere as the HGV traffic would be eliminated. Moving the port up the coast has been on the cards for some time.
There’s so little traffic in it that one lane would probably suffice 🙂
I would think the bigger problem would be the safety issues – but if tram tracks were laid so that cars could also drive on them, then maybe that wouldn’t be an issue.
Perhaps, it should be built as well as the Metro as an underground tram serving Fairview, Marino, East Drumcondra and Beaumont (hospital also).
On a separate note, interesting picture in the Evening Herald of what the Drumcondra stop will look like, apologies if this has been posted before:
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/residents-get-a-look-at-the-future-of-metro-1435302.htmlWhy this is a daft idea – I’d prefer to see a seperate port tunnel (with a southside version as well) – which could also be used to service a new dockside area if Dublin Port moves and an underground system which serves the city centre, populated areas and transport interchanges rather than retrofitting a tram system to a car tunnel which is disconnected from populated areas.
The mockup of the Drumcondra Metro stop looks a very bland affair; remember the genuinely iconic London Underground suburban stations from the 1930s. No room here for an attempt at a similar high-quality design?
Is that view looking on from cloniffe rd? If so I hardly think that’s the design – isn’t there a much grander red brick building in situ that terminates the view on Cloniffe looking towards Drumcondra…
@d_d_dallas wrote:
Is that view looking on from cloniffe rd? If so I hardly think that’s the design – isn’t there a much grander red brick building in situ that terminates the view on Cloniffe looking towards Drumcondra…
That’s St Vincent’s, the blind school and one of the few buildings with any civic presence in Drumcondra. Sadly, it is proposed to demolish this; I thought so as to create a plaza so All Ireland crowds exiting the metro would be less likely to spill out onto the road, it would be particularly weird to demolish this fine building and then build something back in the same place!
are you effin’ kidding me?!? at least with the Interconnector route selection process they purposely avoided station and routes that would require demolishing noted structures. That is not to say all will be spared though…
There’s so much garbage in Drumcondra, I can’t believe this is what they settled on. I suppose a school for the blind is easier to CPO. I’d nearly prefer Quinns to go…
nearly 😉
There are also plans to demolish two Victorian houses on the NCR near Dorset Street not to far from Drumcondra to accomidate an emergency exit for the Matter Hospital Stop
@cgcsb wrote:
There are also plans to demolish two Victorian houses on the NCR near Dorset Street not to far from Drumcondra to accomidate an emergency exit for the Matter Hospital Stop
Well four; two on the NCR for part of the main, only, entrance to the Mater metro and two at the other end of Leo st for ventilation and emergencies. I won’t regret the two NCR houses, they always make me sad anyway, you have a complete late Victorian terrace leading to them, Benedict terrace and then two more, obviously the orphaned remains of another terrace. They are on the Mater Site and owned by the hospital; I notice the nuns have been buying houses along Leo Street as well. The Deaf (sorry I said blind earlier) School is obviously eminently CPO’able since the primary responsibility of the owners is to deaf education, presumably better served by a purpose build, but it is a real shame this is coming down, it has a huge space at the back, surely there is a solution which saves the building?
guess the stations???? that article in the independent was no joke???
http://www.rpa.ie/upload/documents/Metro%20North%20Q%20Card%20OPEN%20DAYS%200708.pdf
who had green escalators first???
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6398
they better not copy my green marble or there will be trouble…
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