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    • #705030
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      The Carlton Cinema redevelopment should only serve us to remember what a “pigs ear” they made of the front of the old Adelphi around the corner on Abbey Street. It used to have rather cool stainless steel tiles on the facade….

      I’m mad that I never got a photograph before they hacked out the centre for a car park entrance.

    • #716266
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Yep, you’re right Paul. Thank God there’s something left though.

      Hope you had a nice holiday.

      J

    • #716267
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Who was the architect of the Adelphi. I know Robinson Keefe were the architects of the Carlton but I don’t think they were responsible for the Adelphi, were they?

    • #716268
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      The Adelphi was designed by W.R Glen in association with Robert Donnelly. Glen was an English architect.

    • #716269
      MG
      Participant

      Store on the Quays (Ellis Quay I think)….. what was it before a furniture store…. inside has curved balcony level reached by two staircases…. ornate plasterwork on the walls and ceilings… seems to be s lower or sunken area (possibly dancefloor) with four columns, one at each corner….

      was it a dancehall or a cinema? the exterior is characterised by a small semi-circular window in the middle of the facade?

    • #716270
      Anonymous
      Participant

      As far as I know or recollect it was once an old cinema of which I can’t remember the name just now …..Oh! was it ‘the Volta’, James Joyce’s little interest on the side?

    • #716271
      MG
      Participant

      The Volta was on Mary or Abbey Street

    • #716272
      Anonymous
      Participant

      The state of this building is in a bad condition…..It was owned by none other than Bargaintown those great cultural exponents and preservers of our architectyral heritage, but it recently change hands I think. Maybe the new owners will rightly give the place, particularly the outside a lick of paint.

    • #716273
      Anonymous
      Participant

      I believe that there is a proposal for a significant development on that block (bargaintown site)
      (about 80,000sq feet-v.big)

    • #716274
      dc3
      Participant

      I dont know the building you mention but…

      The former Phoenix Cinema, with 850 seats, was on Ellis Quay.

    • #716275
      MG
      Participant

      ahhhh that could be it

    • #716276
      MG
      Participant

      I was in the irish Architectural Archive one day recently, and I attemptedx to look this up, but couldnt find any information on it.

      Anybody able to help, as I’ve become very interested in it.

    • #716277
      dc3
      Participant

      I do have some little information about the operation of the Phoenix Cinema, as part of a long term project I am slowly working on concerning cinemas but I have no information about the building, or the architect, and do not know where a photo of it might be available.

    • #716278
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      I saw in yesterdays IT Commercial property supplement that UCI group ar ein talks with Carlton Group over taking over the former Carlton Cinema on O’Connell Street to turn it into a multiplex….

    • #716279
      GregF
      Participant

      What has happened to the proposed Millenium Mall etc……’Pie in the sky’ as a lot of other things no doubt…..and we’ll have a poor materialization of the original concept….as a lot of other things.

      [This message has been edited by GregF (edited 21 June 2001).]

    • #716280
      john white
      Participant

      Did something strange happen to the Academy on Pearse st. a couple of weeks ago?

      It caught fire, the Fire Brigade were there. Couple of days later i saw a TV3 news van outside it.

      I realise it’s probably a crap building really but was just curious.

    • #716281
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Well Ward Anderson is in the process of demolishing most of it – see http://www.irish-architecture.com/news/archives.cgi?f=keyword&keywords=academy+cinema for stories

      So perhaps it caught fire of partially collapsed during the work

    • #716282
      john white
      Participant

      Has a bit of history attached to it then. That’s sad really. Was the inside any good?

      The outside just looks like cheap mock-palladian. Although, like the presbyterian church on Adelaide St., it’s still more picturesque than most of the cold, naked looking shells they build nowadays.

      Think I passed by you yesterday Paul – wasn’t sure if it was you Were you on Pearse street with a Hodges Figgis bag?

      John

    • #716283
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      I was indeed, two books, one on William Street, and the other on the architecture of QUB

    • #716284
      dc3
      Participant

      A new page has been added to the Art Deco Ireland site about this cinema. I still do not know who designed it (Robinson & Keefe?) or when it closed. Can anyone help here with local knowledge?

      Art Deco Ireland http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/6941/deco1.htm

    • #716285
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      According to Rothery (Ireland & The New Architecture): “Robinson and Keefe were the most prolific Irish cinema architects. During the late 1920s and 1930s this form became the leading exponent of Art Deco. Its cinemas, all with some aspect of Art Deco, include the Carlton, Leinster and Astor in Dublin, the Savoy in Waterford, the Savoy in Galway and the Gaiety in Sligo.”

      The Astor seems to have a fairly standard facade for the quay, would love to know how much of the auditorium exists in behind the remains of the old video store that was in the foyer area.

    • #716286
      dc3
      Participant

      Thanks Paul – good work.
      I actually have that book, which is excellent but I find it hard to navigate and must have missed that reference.

    • #716287
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      An article by a mate on mine on another site has me thinking. Why are modern cinemas so soulless? I can understand that the day of the “atmospherics” is gone but most cinemas are now nothing much than a dark box, they may as well be college lecture theatres.

      Temples of Film http://www.p45.net/tv_film/square_eyes/21.html

    • #716288
      Shane OToole
      Participant

      The Irish Architectural Archive has a wonderful photo album of Dublin’s Savoy Cinema under construction – incredible to see the steel frame going up, the original interior. . .

      Just back from Stockholm, where one of the most beautiful cinemas in the world – Asplund’s Skandia – is no longer operational. The auditorium behind seems to be intact, although I could not gain access, but the lobby is now a coffee bar (decorations intact). I went to the movies there less than 3 years ago.

      If it can happen there. . .

    • #716289
      dc3
      Participant

      Shane

      I do not know if you have seen this wonderful site devoted to Swedish Cinemas.
      Good content and design. http://www.algonet.se/~furberg/e_sidor/intro.html

      The Book by the webmaster is excellent too.

      Nice article in the Sunday Times today by the way

    • #716290
      Rory W
      Participant

      My God everything is so clean there – really puts our filth in perspective!!

    • #716291
      quirkey
      Participant

      I’ve just moved to Lund in Sweden for a year to study architecture. Been here and in Malmo for nearly a week and still havent seen even one roadsweeper person.
      I assume its that nobody throws litter on the street, thatthe inhabitants of these beatifull and very people-friendly cities have a collective sense of social and environmental (and maybe even visual) responsibility that might be a little lacking in ireland at the moment.
      We irish could learn from the swedish,and scandanavians in general, (maybe not much about how to party, but )certainly how to attain sustainable buildings and cities.

    • #716292
      Rory W
      Participant

      Certainly could. I was at my brother’s wedding in Norway last year and the place was spotless. On the train every piece of rubbish was collected and placed into 5 recycling bins that they had on each carriage. Kids used to collect the plastic bottles as you could get a 1 Krone (about 10p) refund on each bottle. As you said we could learn a lot.

      Mind you they had plenty of bins everywhere, but if you couldn’t find one the people would actually carry the rubbish until the found one, unlike the ignorant masses over here…

    • #716293
      quirkey
      Participant

      an answer to Paul’s initial question ???
      I’d say americanism, globalism, mac-burger ism. I’ve only seen cinemas with SOUL as you call it in places with less reliance on or influence from north american culture.
      maybe thats the wrong answer but it’s what i think anyway.

    • #716294
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Anyone with any more information on this…. yes that is glass blocks painted magnolia…
      http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/offaly/tullamore/opticians.html

    • #716295
      FP
      Participant

      Used to be part of Tullamores old cinema. The rest of the building wasdemolished for no apparent reason in the 1980s by An Post, as there has been a gap in the Streetscape ever since.

    • #716296
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      There didnt seem to be room behind for a cinema, there were some old walls to be seen about 25 feet back….. but i’ll take your word for it….

    • #716297
      LOB
      Participant

      Just some more info on this

      Site did contain a cinema (Built 1914)
      The proposal on the site was given a decision to grant by The Corpo in Nov2001 but was appealed by a resident of Benburb street & An Taisce.
      An Bord Pleanala refused Permission in May 2002. The proposal was to comprehensively record & document the former Cinema before demolition. [not a protected structure]

      There is more information on the Cinema & site in the report that accompanied the application including some photographs (foyer etc)& maps of this area going back to the 17th Century as well as an Archeological assessment. (all on microfiche)

    • #716298
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Must go back in and attempt to photograph it again. Got bums rush last time from the staff.

    • #716299
      chewy
      Participant

      saw this

      ¡öTHE HISTORY OF CINEMAS (PART 1): DUBLIN
      CINEMAS FROM PAST TO PRESENT

      A photographic display with explanatory notes
      presenting cinemas from the early days to today
      [new exhibition ]
      Mon 6 -Fri 10 September 9.00am -5.00pm
      Venue:Venue:Town Hall,Marine Road,D¨²n
      Laoghaire
      Free

      here heritage week brouchure

      http://www.environ.ie/DOEI/DOEIPol.nsf/0/61f0245873ca58c480256efa00327244/$FILE/HW_Dublin_6=9=04.pdf

      page 43

      theres a few other interesting tours etc

      em shoud be interesting that, i recently saw a picture of this cinema they had built on the median of oconnell bridge for the great exhibition or something, mad!

      ps what ya reckon to new york on o connel street?

    • #716300
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Thanks for that Chewy.

      On another slightly related point, does anyone else find it somewhat amusing that the fate of Carrickmines Castle was sealed during Heritage Week?

    • #716301
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      there’s nothing amusing about it…just inept politicians…that along with a few other things makes me want to leave the country

    • #716302
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Yes Yee Haw, my apologies. The word amusing was probably the wrong word to use. I just find it telling that during heritage week, the most prominant archealogical find in recent years is to be destroyed. Incidently, I am no expert on archealogy, so I was just wondering would this castle foss have been declared to be as important if it was not in the way of a motorway, and therefore under no threat? I am not trying to be smart, it is a genuine question as to how important this site is in comparison to other sites around the country. Was it known about before excavation started for the roadway? As far as I know it was, but I have only heard that through general talk, so I am not sure.

    • #716303
      d_d_dallas
      Participant

      Whats’ not even remotely amusing is that the lawyers for the objectors are considering YET ANOTHER appeal (see http://www.rte.ie). Is the High Court not good enough? Is it a case that people in this country are so arrogant that if the systems and processes we put in place do not give the outcomes we desire that we seek a series of injunctions until we get the outcome we want? At this point they could discover the remains of Brian Boru, a Roman city, King Arthur, and dinosaurs all at play there and I think the vast majority of the public wouldn’t care so long as the bloody M50 got finished.

    • #716304
      dc3
      Participant

      Cinemas – A photographic display with explanatory notes
      at Dun Laoire Town Hall.

      Chewy, if you are still going to go to this you should be aware that it is a very, very small display indeed.

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